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Kondor99
06-23-2004, 04:49 AM
I meant to post this yesterday in response to the post about 6/22/41 being the start date for Barbarossa.

Well, it also happens to be the 60th anniversary of the Russian offensive which destroyed Army Group Center and paved the way for the final push on Berlin in the Winter of 44/45.

The Soviets timed the offensive (Operation Bagration) to begin on the same day as Barbarossa...

Unlike Barbarossa, it succeeded.

Kondor99
06-23-2004, 04:49 AM
I meant to post this yesterday in response to the post about 6/22/41 being the start date for Barbarossa.

Well, it also happens to be the 60th anniversary of the Russian offensive which destroyed Army Group Center and paved the way for the final push on Berlin in the Winter of 44/45.

The Soviets timed the offensive (Operation Bagration) to begin on the same day as Barbarossa...

Unlike Barbarossa, it succeeded.

LEXX_Luthor
06-23-2004, 04:51 AM
The name "Barborossa" inspires the imagination.

Bagration. Had they come up with a more shiny name for this, it may be more well known. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Athosd
06-23-2004, 04:59 AM
Bagration - like Barbarossa (red beard) was named for a national hero.

Prince Bagration was a very distinguished and successful Russian General in the Napoleonic Wars.

Athos

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Slush69
06-23-2004, 05:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
The name "Barborossa" inspires the imagination.

Bagration. Had they come up with a more shiny name for this, it may be more well known. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Weeeell ... known p¥ whom? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Both operations were named after national heroes, and both probably were shiny names for their nation and people.

It's not really surprising that Operation Bagration isn't widely known in the west, just as it's not surprising that Soviet school children probably didn't learn much about the Allied campaign against Japan.

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bazzaah2
06-23-2004, 05:03 AM
Destruction of Army Group Centre, as it's sometimes known here.

I suppose with all the recent commemorations in the West we don't always think of the momentous efforts that took place in the East.

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EmKen
06-23-2004, 10:49 AM
As the "Torch" landings and the el Alamein offensive in North Africa are often used to excuse the Facists efforts at Stalingrad, it has been suggested that "Bagration" diverted sufficient attention so that the Western Allies could effect their breakout from Caen and Cherbourg. It should be remembered that the Allies had scarcely enlarged their beach-heads by 22\6\44. The Red Army had been calling for a second front for 3 years, and when it finally took place the war was finished in 10 months.
S! to the people of the Soviet Union who may have had a cheap war economically, but paid for the defeat of Fascism in their own priceless blood.

EmKen

Metallicaner
06-23-2004, 10:53 AM
The pic of the "Big three" is from the meeting when they were planning a massive campaign against the germans which would be stated at about the same time, so you can say that Bagration is the russian D-day

LEXX_Luthor
06-23-2004, 11:22 AM
Okay, GUILTY. I guess I was just thinking in English.

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06-23-2004, 11:29 AM
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Whatsmypassword
06-23-2004, 12:19 PM
It is interesting I watched a lot of documentary movies on History channel before the 60th anniversary of D-Day but none of them mentioned The Bagration operation which was a much larger military and more significant WWII operation that D-Day. Owing to this operation the Wermacht could not transfer troops from the Eastern front to the Western front.

General Bagration

http://www.hrono.ru/img/bagrati.jpg

Here so the map of Bagration operation (sorry that it is of big size):

http://www.rkka.ru/maps/belorus.jpg

F16_Fatboy
06-23-2004, 02:03 PM
The hardship and heroism of the Soviet population during the WWII is undisputable.
The size of the Bagration operation was almost unbelievable and I sincerely recommend John Ericsons "The rod to Berlin" to everyone that is interested in this era.

The most important lesson learned for all participants was that the pen is mightier than the sword and we are just beginning to reap this knowledge in Europe.

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noshens
06-23-2004, 02:48 PM
and i recommend "War and Peace" by Tolstoy for more information on Bagration...

woofiedog
06-23-2004, 03:09 PM
To EmKen... Maybe the one T.V. Show you watch on Television left out the landings of North Africa, Sicily, Italy and the War in the Pacific that the US, Britian, Dutch, Free French, Poles, Danes, Norway, Brazil, Mexico, Austrailia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa and others were fighting Around the Globe at that time.
P.S. Sorry for anyone left out or misspelling... I don't have my Dictary.