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BSS_Vidar
07-06-2004, 02:00 PM
I was "Winchester" in a P-51D in Warclouds 44 heading back to base at 2000 ft indicated. I came up on a 109 G-10 that was slightly lower than me and heading in the opposite direction. I was cruising at 345mph IAS (I don't look at the metric spd bar much). We must have had in excess of 700mph of closure. I pushed over to gain speed (attained 420mph) maintaining a straight course to my base. My wingman watched from above as this G-10 did a 180, chased me down and plugged me full of 108's within 60 seconds of passing each other.

Simple vector analyisis says sum'tins wrong here. After a 180 degree turn, he would have to attain alot more than an airspeed of 420mph to catch me within a miniute of CPA (Closes Point of Approach). I had the altitude and the push-over. He was below me to my right and ran me down like a dowg.

I just finished flying G-10's (as a learning experience) for 3 hours that nite. I never got it to go that fast even with WEP on in a straight and level run after a 180 degree turn.

What gives?

BSS_Vidar

BSS_Vidar
07-06-2004, 02:00 PM
I was "Winchester" in a P-51D in Warclouds 44 heading back to base at 2000 ft indicated. I came up on a 109 G-10 that was slightly lower than me and heading in the opposite direction. I was cruising at 345mph IAS (I don't look at the metric spd bar much). We must have had in excess of 700mph of closure. I pushed over to gain speed (attained 420mph) maintaining a straight course to my base. My wingman watched from above as this G-10 did a 180, chased me down and plugged me full of 108's within 60 seconds of passing each other.

Simple vector analyisis says sum'tins wrong here. After a 180 degree turn, he would have to attain alot more than an airspeed of 420mph to catch me within a miniute of CPA (Closes Point of Approach). I had the altitude and the push-over. He was below me to my right and ran me down like a dowg.

I just finished flying G-10's (as a learning experience) for 3 hours that nite. I never got it to go that fast even with WEP on in a straight and level run after a 180 degree turn.

What gives?

BSS_Vidar

VW-IceFire
07-06-2004, 02:18 PM
I've heard of people speedhacking...not sure if its true or crazed hype. Very annoying if that did happen. Pure crazyness...

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crazyivan1970
07-06-2004, 02:55 PM
if you see server that shows 17% speed difference as you log in, run away http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Yellonet
07-06-2004, 02:55 PM
Could he have made an early turn so that when you "met" you were heading in the same direction? After that you were gradually loosing speed and he were gradually gaining speed.. after say 50 seconds he's within firing distance..?


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Yellonet
07-06-2004, 02:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
if you see server that shows 17% speed difference as you log in, run away http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.
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Interesting... but what does it mean? Never really thought about that before...


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BSS_Vidar
07-06-2004, 03:12 PM
No... I have Track IR. I watched him till he passed my right wingtip. I didn't see a turn so I blew him off assuming he had no chance in catching me. Not thinking he would trun after me with the speed I had my wingman also blew him off. The all of a sudden he said, "Oh my god, he's gaining on you". He just couldn't dive down on him in time (in a P-38) due to his speed.

I have a whole new respect for 109 and 190 pilots that can shoot from them in Virt cockpit. I sure can't... "YET" till I get use to the muzzle flash. I've allways had my moans-n-groans about the 109/190 speed an turn capabilities in IL-2, but this was really way out of wack.

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crazyivan1970
07-06-2004, 03:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

Interesting... but what does it mean? Never really thought about that before...


- Yellonet<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That means that Speed difference is set, but no interval = no speed hack defence http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2004, 03:55 PM
This kind of buffoonery happens all the time in this sim.

Careful watching of tracks will show planes (especially AI planes) pivoting around their CG instead of continuing to the outside of turns, which makes up precious angles VERY quickly. then they catapult forward, picking up smash as they go. These are the kind of angles that, earned properly would reduce the plane's speed enough to keep him well back of you.

F19_Ob
07-07-2004, 07:57 AM
The later 109s (109K4) could reach speeds up to 890km/h in a dive if u were careful.
This way I have caught many planes diving away or at distance.
I usually dive down far below their tail and then slowly rise and try to end up at matching speed with throttle down and fire before I'm level.
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Observe that U can only do it in the 109K4 without braking up.
U should be able to do it in a 109G6 like the finnish ace Ilmari jutilainen did once, but this wont work in fb http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

[This message was edited by F19_Ob on Wed July 07 2004 at 07:14 AM.]