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JFC_Phantom
09-03-2004, 05:58 AM
I was wondering today what the future will hold for IL2 FB. Will everyone suddenly drop il2 fb and go over to PF and forget il2 fb even existed? dont get me wrong...im looking forward to pf, i just think its a real shame to just loose a whole sphere of the air war just because another game comes out. Will patches still be made to update FB?

Just some musings of a cynical pilot!!

PS
I think ubi did a very sly job of drumming up interest for PF by including pacific planes in the patches for FB.

JFC_Phantom
09-03-2004, 05:58 AM
I was wondering today what the future will hold for IL2 FB. Will everyone suddenly drop il2 fb and go over to PF and forget il2 fb even existed? dont get me wrong...im looking forward to pf, i just think its a real shame to just loose a whole sphere of the air war just because another game comes out. Will patches still be made to update FB?

Just some musings of a cynical pilot!!

PS
I think ubi did a very sly job of drumming up interest for PF by including pacific planes in the patches for FB.

269GA-Veltro
09-03-2004, 06:02 AM
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VW-IceFire
09-03-2004, 06:04 AM
IL2 FB isn't going anywhere. I'll be loading PF into it and flying with the biggest and most expansive WWII flight simulator ever.

A game that lets me fly a Yak-1 shooting down Stukas the first minute and a Zero at the Battle of Midway the next is pure genius.

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BBloke
09-03-2004, 06:13 AM
I suppose the best way to answer that question would be have a look at the original IL2 lobby and see what happened to the numbers. If I recall it was hitting around the 150 mark before IL2FB was released.

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lil_labbit
09-03-2004, 06:16 AM
FB won't die that fast http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif it'll be compatible with PF afterall (PF can play FB - not the other way 'round http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )...

I still sometimes play IL-2 Sturmo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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ianboys
09-03-2004, 06:18 AM
That is because one replaced the other. But with PF we can install it together with AEP/FB.

MEGILE
09-03-2004, 06:26 AM
NEIN Herr Phantom! there is much work to do on the Western front. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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essemm
09-03-2004, 07:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
IL2 FB isn't going anywhere. I'll be loading PF into it and flying with the biggest and most expansive WWII flight simulator ever.

A game that lets me fly a Yak-1 shooting down Stukas the first minute and a Zero at the Battle of Midway the next is pure genius.

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"Either fight or die"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well Said!

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LuckyBoy1
09-03-2004, 07:03 AM
With the development team finally coming to their senses and keeping it so we can have a truly, for the first time global WWII flight sim, IL-2 FB just keeps getting stronger, not weaker!

A smart development team would now want to get snappy building that meditteranian add-on that so mzany of us would be willing to pay for. Think of it; taking off in North Africa to escort bombers to the Ploesti oil fields or bomb Italy. Then there's the great Brittish raid from aircraft carriers that sunk so many Italian ships.

Then, they could get snappy with working on a mainland China and India add-on and we'd all fork over the bucks once again. the bonus for the developers would be more and more new people taking interest as this flight sim really does become the difinitive global WWII flight sim!

Now with an actual index & more fiber! It is newer & and even more improved! It's Luckyboy's Guide For Complete Users!...

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CapBackassward
09-03-2004, 07:10 AM
We will still be playing this sim years from now. The Red Baron 3D sim is on its seventh year. This sim will be the same, and more.

Rick

now if I can only find someone to make a NFL football sim of this quality and diversity, then I will be a happy man.

FPerkin
09-03-2004, 07:45 AM
Hey Rick! Remember FPS Football. That Sim was on the right track until the company decided to frop it in favor of developeing Bass fishing simulations.

Franzen
09-03-2004, 11:05 AM
I think PF will be ok but will never be as interesting as FB. Sure, you'll have carrier landings and recon and rescue missions with the PBY but the plane sets seem somewhat boring compared to what you get in FB. Of course this is just my personal opinion.

Fact is, those tropical maps kill my pc. I think I am part of a majority that needs upgrading. I'm looking forward to carrier landings, or attempts anyway.

I think the biggest threat to FB will be BoB. I heard it's not compatible with FB or PF and the game engine is better than the former. You'll have the most interesting plane sets and the nicest maps. Just my opinion.

Fritz Franzen

CapBackassward
09-03-2004, 12:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FPerkin:
Hey Rick! Remember FPS Football. That Sim was on the right track until the company decided to frop it in favor of developeing Bass fishing simulations.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep! Front Page Sports Football and Red Baron 3D were both made by Sierra back when they were cranking out some classic games. Madden NFL 2004 was good but it still doesn't offer all the great things that the FPS football series did. FPS football had a play editor that was as much fun as the game.

Rick

Bsnakeman
09-04-2004, 04:33 AM
I think PF will be great and in a matter of 1 or 2 years we´ll have the best and the most complete WWII air warfare sim ever.
However my focus is ETO and I wonder when 1C Maddox will release the flyables Spit MkII Tempests, Typhoons, Beaufigthers, Moquitoes, Do-335, Macchi 205, and the AI Lancasters,Wellingtons, Liberators, B-26s, A-26s, Sunderlands, SM79 etc.

Beirut
09-04-2004, 05:32 AM
I think the two will go together like milk and cookies.

The scenario possibilities seem endless.

"Official Lancaster whiner"

DuxCorvan
09-04-2004, 02:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:
A smart development team would now want to get snappy building that meditteranian add-on that so mzany of us would be willing to pay for.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's a 3rd party team making the planes for it. In fact, Re.2000, Re.2005, SM.79, MC.205 and G.55 were near completion last time I saw them, and some of them even had cockpits in progress. I've seen real promising WIPs, no wonder we'll see some of this along with Ju 88 and Pe-2, in the next add-on. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

We only need the maps, but I'm afraid that's the hardest part. We must convince UBI/1C to get them making some.

jugent
09-04-2004, 02:24 PM
If maddox team doesnt improve in AI, damage-models and bias, I wont buy PF and FB will be forgotten combat flight simulators

h009291
09-04-2004, 02:39 PM
What's the matter ... poor old you get shot down lots?

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jugent:
If maddox team doesnt improve in AI, damage-models and bias, I wont buy PF and FB will be forgotten combat flight simulators<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Nubarus
09-04-2004, 02:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jugent:
If maddox team doesnt improve in AI, damage-models and bias, I wont buy PF and FB will be forgotten combat flight simulators<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, just because you don't buy PF, FB/PF will be forgotten.

Or, in the really real world you will be forgotten while the rest of us enjoy ourselves with FB/PF.

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jugent
09-04-2004, 03:06 PM
How long have you been flying this game?
Compare the activity on Hyperlobby tonight and the activity a year ago. Take a look on how many squad where registrated on WEF and WOW today and a year ago. You will see a pattern. I wont discover the answer.
I get shoot down more frequent when I fly german planes.
If I want to be an imortal ace, I fly the spitfire.

Nubarus
09-04-2004, 03:10 PM
I have been playing this game since the original IL2 beta periode.

And it's VEF and VOW, not WEF and WOW.

Besides, comparing the succes of a game to the online statistics alone is a mistake.

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ouston
09-04-2004, 06:57 PM
There are loads of aircraft we would like to have but if you look at FB it has a huge number of types, even given the lack of some significant RAF aircraft. However if FB and PF are compatible we have a varied set of possibilities. I am not sure why any flight sim enthusiast be unimpressed about a product that promises carrier landings in poor weather, attacks on Japanese carriers and trying to field Kamikazes.

Regards

Ouston

WTE_Galway
09-04-2004, 07:14 PM
I presume you are talking about online play as obviously offline players are more likely to finish there current campaigns before starting a new one, even if they do upgrade to PF to have a bit of a look see.

I do not play online anymore so not really an issue for me. If I did go back online I would go along with whatever my squadron WTE is doing.

Its also important to remember that only some small fraction (1 in 20?) of IL2 players actually go online at all. The vast majority play offline campaigns and never go near an online dogfight.

HW3
09-04-2004, 09:08 PM
There is a increasing number of us who fly IP to IP now to reduce game lag. I only fly in HL with the rest of my squad when they fly there.

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crazyivan1970
09-05-2004, 01:20 AM
I`m sure Oleg will fix bias first thing in the the morning http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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TheGozr
09-05-2004, 03:00 AM
I load HL to check on the pilots status or messages but i load SAE and look into the servers that way and go from there since SAE close when your game start and do not create any lags.

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jugent
09-05-2004, 04:03 AM
The numbers of online players is an indicator of the popularity, isnt it?

My thoughts about the bias of the game is based on houndreds of hours of online and offline playing. In my tests ive used the arcade mode because it is the only thing to evaluate the resistance to damage and destruction capacity of the aircrafts.

It is therefore impossible to include online-gaming as proof so my personal unscientific biased feelings.
But any experience from the game must be unscientific and biased.

To see a big thing in some small events test this.
Take a german fighter and take on three allied aces, then use a IL-2 and confront three german named aces like Hartmann, and compare your score.

Fly a ME-109E and confront a Gladiator and then fly a gladiator and confront a Me109E Compare the resistance against damage of the Me and the Gladiator.

One hit in the Messerschmitt engine often makes the windshield smeared with oil and the engine loose power.

One or more hits from a 20mm in the engine of the gladiator wont make any big difference in performace.

Theese tests shows that;
There is more power in the MG:s of a gladiator than it is in the MG:s and canons of a Me109E.
The non-metal gladiator can take more damage than the metal Messerschmitt.
The engine of the Me can be fatally damaged by a single shoot, but the Gladiators can withstand many hits.
It is much easier to shoot down german AI-oponents than allieds.

To check this relevance by looking at the history.
Over Malta and Norway Gladiators encountered Me109E and mostly the Gladiator was the pray and the Me was the predator.

The online game is harder to evaluate, but I have much better killratio when I fly allied planes.
The non german planes flies smoother, preserve engergy better, is more stable, is nicer to fly. If you take on the QMB and set the speed to 1/4 and look through the sight with maximum magnification you se that the german plane flies like hanging in a rubberband, it moves up and down with delay.
A La or a Yak flies much more stable.

I think that the german planes are deliberately made bad because UBI-soft that the marked wants it to be this way.

The online advantages for non-german planes is because the aircrafts isnt so fragile as it was. This is because UBI-soft think that the customer likes long dogfights and if the planes where more fragile the dogfight would end to early.

The infected debate about the FW cockpit view is very strange so I leave that open.

I dont know why the velocity of HE has such a effect for the damage. Its strange because many other things are correct.