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Sorrosyss
06-13-2017, 11:49 PM
http://i.imgur.com/n0JGKan.jpg

No really. Lets discuss.

One of the most oft commented things from the reveal was the giant snake at the end of the trailer.

"What the **** was that?"
"AC has gone God of War"
"This is not realistic at all"

... yeah... because guided arrows and Evie's chameleon invisibility were nice and realistic. Then there's the whole mind controlling Apples developed by a superior race that actually created humanity - but I digress.

What is this giant snake all about then? How did it come to be in that tomb? What is going on? Why is there a thread about this? Some of these questions we can try and answer!



1. There is no snake. Its a hallucination.

http://i.imgur.com/tqy1sAe.jpg

Yeah. I said it. Its not real. Think about it, the game features poisons. And deserts. The likelihood is that Bayek is simply hallucinating.



2. Its some kind of hologram or projection.

http://i.imgur.com/98AIIXl.png

There is an assumption that the pyramids were created by the Isu. Whats to say they didn't leave in a few security measures to ward off intruders?



3. Its a mystical being.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/57266/1976801-ophidia_by_tahra__001__01_.png

Many of you will recall a survey awhile back, that asked players how they would feel about mystical elements being added to the franchise. Is this a first step towards it? Its been suggested that the snake could actually be Apep, who is the Egyptian god of Chaos - and is often depicted as a giant snake.



4. Its an Isu.

http://i.imgur.com/xVzLfML.jpg

Stay with me here. We know some of the Isu were experimenting with manipulating their bodies. This is known, and one of the reasons that Durga - a known Isu - has extra arms. Could this Isu member have converted themselves to a creature that might survive the Toba Catastrophe, and encased themselves into a Pyramid tomb?



5. Its Juno.

http://i.imgur.com/lFVcB39.png

Not literally. I mean, she is perhaps manipulating the Animus from the Grey and trying to kill you to prevent you reaching your goal. Its possible.



6. Its Amunet.

http://i.imgur.com/6JwRdIA.jpg

Bear with me here. Amunet is an Assassin, whom 19 years from this point kills Cleopatra. We've known this since AC2. In mythology though, Amunet is known as "the hidden one". She is also a member of the Ogdoad whom are Egyptian Primordial deities, with the females usually depicted with a serpent like appearance. Could this snake be her true form? "We are the first to see the gods" - says the opening line of the reveal trailer. After being defeated by Bayek, she may take on a human like form and subsequently join the Egyptian Brotherhood. Or perhaps gift him a daughter of the same name. Bayek being Amunet's father would be a very novel twist to the lore. Its a massive, massive stretch. But fun to think about.



7. Its just a bloody big snake.

http://i.imgur.com/eplUTz4.jpg

Well, there's always that.




What say you? Vote away.

VestigialLlama4
06-14-2017, 12:02 AM
Assassin's Creed has always been a series that mixes Historical Fiction with Science Fiction and Fantasy.

Remember AC1, where 95% of the game is realistic and the finale had you fighting a guy who could create multiple clones of himself via a shining Golden Orb? Remember AC2 where 95% is realistic until you fought the Pope wielding a magic staff, or AC3 where you went to an Alternate Reality had actual superpowers and fought King Washington on the top of a Giant Pyramid, or in Black Flag where the bad guy turns out to be the reincarnation of a God, as does the man in the present.

Yes we can say it's the Apple of Eden, First Civilization and say its science-fiction and not magic, but more or less it is magical phenomenon in scientific guise.

Once you go to the Ancient setting, there's a greater temptation and potential for more weird stuff...

Like in the case of Ancient Egypt, there's a section of the map near Faiyum Oasis (featured heavily in the gameplay videos) called Wadi-El Hitan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadi_El_Hitan). Today that's a UNESCO World Heritage Site. It's called the Valley of Whales in English and it's a paleontological site where Whales are believed to have evolved into the form we know them today. It's a place where whales evolved from land-based animals to sea-based animals.

This is an earlier land-based whale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadi_El_Hitan#/media/File:Wadi_Al-Hitan.jpg

Now obviously it's far before the setting of AC: ORIGINS we are talking way way back in human history but obviously its tempting and suggestive to the creators of AC especially with a title like Origins.

So maybe there's room for species which were once the source of myths that became extinct and died and got buried, Who knows.

crusader_prophet
06-14-2017, 12:36 AM
I just think it's a boss fight for one of the explorable tombs.

Megas_Doux
06-14-2017, 12:57 AM
I just think it's a boss fight for one of the explorable tombs.

This!


I mean, I see it as a cool reference to AC II's giant squid.

ze_topazio
06-14-2017, 01:09 AM
These people could be on to something.

https://www.reddit.com/r/assassinscreed/comments/6gwlvg/some_notes_on_the_story_and_egyptian_history/


The Oasis Siwa, while well attested to exist earlier, is not mentioned in connection with the Egyptian Kingdom until the 26th Dynasty, just after the Medjay disappear.

And Alexander the Great, after the conquest, goes on a pilgrimage to Siwa. No one knows why, Siwa is a long way away from anything important, but it was supposed to be something to do with confirming his reign as Pharaoh.

I think it's pretty clear, looking at this, that Siwa holds a major Precursor site, possibly with full contact with the Isu, and the Medjay are sworn to protect it.


The description of Siwa on the game's website also says "You may find yourself losing your grip on reality". In an interview about the game's protagonist, it was also said that Bayek will uncover the truth about Siwa.


Losing your grip on reality explains the giant snake.


On the topic of Alexander and Siwa, expanding your point, it is actually known that he went there to consult with an oracle, a very special oracle of the god Zeus-Amon (Greeks & Romans liked to combine their gods with local gods), that happened to be way in the desert. The dude and his entire army almost died just trying to get there and back. It's suspected that the oracle told Alexander that he was the son of Zeus, because when the rumor went around in the following months, Alexander did nothing to indicate otherwise. (This came back to bite him in the butt when people started getting wise to the demigod face he was showing, saying stuff like "Kiddo, we knew your father Philip, you're no son of Zeus")


It is a fascinating period of his life when he took this journey. Although he didn't take his army to Siwa, just a select few men (Ptolemy included). He had no need to take the entire army there as Egypt was secure and welcomed him as conqueror. Fun tidbit, some sources say a talking snake led him through the desert.

VestigialLlama4
06-14-2017, 01:50 AM
Let's not give Ubisoft too much credit.

UNITY and SYNDICATE proved that the people who run Assassin's Creed includes some very shallow people who don't care about all this nice trivia and connections and fans should not give them too much credit.

Fundamentally, a giant snake is a giant snake...they want to put fantasy in the game, go right ahead. Chase the Witcher III ambulance.

Of course Giant Serpents was also there in Dark Souls (one of those annoying figures who send you on a quest), and then you have Jormungandr in the next God of War, so Giant Serpents are all the rage these days.

This Asssassin's Creed Peplum and Jason and the Argonauts...Sword and Sandal nonsense. That's what this is all about. Let's not give Ubisoft any credit.

Let them earn it for a change...

WendysBrioche
06-14-2017, 03:26 AM
The snake isn't an issue of what's "realistic" in Assassin's Creed,

It's an issue of what's appropriate for the genre.

This is historical fiction, not Skyrim fantasy monster hunter. I can assure you the same people complaining about the snake complained about Evie's electro grenade and invisibility.

A hallucination would be fine, but this kind of thing shouldn't be taken overboard. AC isn't a monster felling game. We shouldn't have gryphins flying around.

wvstolzing
06-14-2017, 12:44 PM
This is historical fiction, not Skyrim fantasy monster hunter. I can assure you the same people complaining about the snake complained about Evie's electro grenade and invisibility.

Even more so, for Arno's shapeshifting 'disguise'.

What upsets people in this case, I think, is also that the huge snake suggests an unimaginative, merely aping sort of 'borrowing' from Dark Souls and the Witcher. No one wants that to be true. If they really aped those games so superficially, that would speak very negatively for the rest of the game.

I tend to think that it will turn out to be an illusion ... but we'll see.

JakeyChappers
06-14-2017, 12:45 PM
I 100% Want to fight a giant ****ing snake in a tomb, it better be real

WendysBrioche
06-15-2017, 01:06 AM
Even more so, for Arno's shapeshifting 'disguise'.

What upsets people in this case, I think, is also that the huge snake suggests an unimaginative, merely aping sort of 'borrowing' from Dark Souls and the Witcher. No one wants that to be true. If they really aped those games so superficially, that would speak very negatively for the rest of the game.

I tend to think that it will turn out to be an illusion ... but we'll see.

It seems to be.

It's been possibly confirmed by a dev the snake's actually part of a spiritualistic hallucination/journey:

@8:40 in this video interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zL6jje4cVk

I can accept this. But still a tad bit upset about the numerous quantity of 20 foot tall super humans.

Sigma 1313
06-15-2017, 01:54 AM
It seems to be.

It's been possibly confirmed by a dev the snake's actually part of a spiritualistic hallucination/journey:

@8:40 in this video interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zL6jje4cVk

I can accept this. But still a tad bit upset about the numerous quantity of 20 foot tall super humans.

While that made me feel better about the snake, I feel way worse about the md now...

WendysBrioche
06-15-2017, 01:57 AM
Sorry, md? forgive my noobishness, not sure what that stands for.

Sigma 1313
06-15-2017, 02:21 AM
Sorry, md? forgive my noobishness, not sure what that stands for.

Modern Day

WendysBrioche
06-15-2017, 02:28 AM
Modern Day
Facepalm XD I should've figured.

But how so? How would that affect modern day possibly? Probably me missing something obvious again here.... XD

ninja4hire10
06-15-2017, 01:16 PM
Said the same when the forums blew up over it the night the trailer dropped: Big Snake is an illusion, a hallucination, a spiritual embodiment/ manifestation of sorts. And there are probably more in the game, which I assume are tomb bosses. Luke Skywalker didn't really fight Vader/himself on Dagobah in Empire; it was, like snakey here, an allegorical illusion.

wvstolzing
06-15-2017, 01:30 PM
It seems to be.

It's been possibly confirmed by a dev the snake's actually part of a spiritualistic hallucination/journey:

That's really good.


I can accept this. But still a tad bit upset about the numerous quantity of 20 foot tall super humans.

Haha, but that gives wackos the opportunity to speculate about the acknowledgement of NEPHILIM in the game.

Sigma 1313
06-15-2017, 01:52 PM
Facepalm XD I should've figured.

But how so? How would that affect modern day possibly? Probably me missing something obvious again here.... XD

If you watch the interview, right after they talk about the snake the interviewer asks if we're still in an animus. The rep from Ubi replies with (Mild paraphrasing) "We're not talking about that right now, we just want to focus on Bayek because this is his story".

They couldn't even just say that we're in an animus. I'm sure a lot of that has to do with the marketing plan, but they can't even give that?

crusader_prophet
06-15-2017, 01:54 PM
I think people are reading too much into it. It's just a boss fight. There are giant snakes in this world. Besides if you follow the ViDoc closely, you'll see that it appears right at the point when they are talking about explorable tombs and boss fights in them.

wvstolzing
06-15-2017, 01:55 PM
They couldn't even just say that we're in an animus. I'm sure a lot of that has to do with the marketing plan, but they can't even give that?

It's a pretty big plot point though. The player's 'being in the Animus' entails that they are giving up the 'game console'/'Abstergo entertainment' business, which is big news for fans.