View Full Version : About early-war fighters

04-26-2004, 03:19 PM

04-26-2004, 03:19 PM

04-26-2004, 03:52 PM
I voted for the P-35 but I really want to fly them all. I just love those early war birds. The P-43 Lancer,P-66 Vanguard and CW-21 Demon would also be cool,just to name a few more. . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

"Not all who wander are lost."

04-26-2004, 03:58 PM
I voted for the Nate, but the Claude would be cool too...

"Fatte vede che ridemo!"http://www.flying-tigers.net/caccia%20WW%20II/g50.jpg

04-26-2004, 04:07 PM
All of the above please..but the Nate for sure.

Good poll zuiho. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

04-26-2004, 04:14 PM
I like high speed BnZ fighters so... Ki~27 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>By concentrating on the second and third Chinese flights (with one shotai each), only left one Ki-27 taking on the most experienced of the Chinese pilots (Ma and Teng). Although the Japanese, First Lieutenant Yoshio Sotomura (47th Class), also was a senior pilot, he made the critical error fighting to the strengths of the Chinese (probably as a result under-estimating the Chinese pilots and their inferior planes).

Instead of fighting in the vertical plane where the Ki-27 had the advantage, Sotomura got into a turning fight with Teng. While Teng kept Sotomura occupied, Ma climbed above the two and bounced the Japanese from behind, hitting the Ki-27 in the fuel tanks. Smoke poured from the Ki-27 as Sotomura tried to escape. Evidently damaged, the Ki-27 could not pull away from the normally slower I-15bis.

Ma was able to close to 50m and appeared to hit the Japanese pilot with gunfire as, all of a sudden, the Ki-27 stopped easive action and flew straight with level wings. At this critical juncture, all four of Ma's ShKAS machine guns jammed. Nevertheless, the Ki-27 was done for and it crashed shortly afterwards. The Japanese pilot died of his injuries. Although, he did not hit the Japanese, Teng contributed to the kill through fine teamwork with his element leader. The Japanese fighters returned claiming 11 shot down against a reported 20 plus I-15bis for the loss of two fighters (Harada and Sotomura).

under "1939" ---&gt; http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/sino-japanese.htm

* That was a major battle getting that past the "mandatory field" censor. The good news is that the apostrophe (') in "Ma's" was the culprit. I Deleted it with no comment and replaced it with my own.

I believe Ma died in action later in 1939 or later.

[This message was edited by LEXX_Luthor on Mon April 26 2004 at 03:30 PM.]

04-26-2004, 04:24 PM
I voted P36. what else could I do with a sig like mine.....

(but I like all the early birds, and really look forward to the Nate...)




04-26-2004, 05:00 PM
I'd like to see the P-35 and P-36. But I'd really like to see planes that can fly off carriers. I guess I'd like to see the F2A-3. The F2A-3 equipped VF-2 on board Lexington at the time of Pearl Harbor and up until January 1942.


04-26-2004, 05:01 PM
May I vote F4F? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


04-26-2004, 05:44 PM
F3Fs and P-26s...

04-26-2004, 05:56 PM
Peashooters would be fun - For the skinners especially..

Have you ever seen them in all the beautifull prewar glory! sweeet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

04-27-2004, 12:09 AM
All of the above, but the Ki 27, F2A (especially in its British and Dutch versions)and A5M especially, in that order.

04-27-2004, 02:42 AM
Well...I'd enjoy the Nate.
But I'd still be wishing for the Claudes. The A5M4 and the earlier, more elegant A5M1.


04-27-2004, 03:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElAurens:
I voted P36. what else could I do with a sig like mine.....

(but I like all the early birds, and really look forward to the Nate...)




Ummm... I'd like this one!



04-27-2004, 05:08 AM
Thanks for the link to the CW 21 in Dutch East Indies service, Jeroen.


There were some in the AVG who thought this could have been an exceptional fighter if developed further...

And, it's a Curtiss...





04-27-2004, 07:41 AM
You're welcome; I just learned it's actually WIP for PF...! Can't wait!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


(PS if you do some googling for CW21 or ML KNIL you'll find much more info, but mainly in Dutch)

04-27-2004, 11:45 AM
Yeah,I think the Demon is an interesting plane and look forward to flying it. The main advantage with the AVG having Demons was that it's climb rate was far superior to the P-40Bs(and Cs?) that they were currently flying. This was supposedly going to make Jap airfield raids easier to intercept. Unfortunately, the 3(some say 4) CW-21s being shuttled to Kunming(sp.?) for evaluation all crashed into a mountain-side due to poor visability and the fact the Demons apparently didn't have radios. IIRC,only one guy survived. Also,the Demons were poorly armed and uncharacteristically fragile for an American plane,typically known for their ruggedness. They also didn't have self-sealing fuel tanks(the improved B might have,I can't remember). And the Dutch didn't exactly have huge successes with them either. So maybe it worked out for the best that the AVG didn't adopt the Demon. Who knows?

"Not all who wander are lost."

04-27-2004, 02:03 PM
AFAIK the differences between the A's and B's are the way the landing gear retracts (A- backwards, like P-40, B inwards to the centerline), the B could carry more fuel (in non-self sealing tanks), and the armament. The A had one 7.62mm (.30cal?) and one 12.7mm (.50cal?) in the nose, the B had 2 12.7mms in the nose and 2 7.62mms in the wings.
Some controversy still exists over the armament, though.

The Dutch didn't do too well, mainly because mose planes were destroyed on the ground. As a sidenote, only ~16 of the 24 ordered were operational al the time of the Japanese attack. Most pilots had little experience on the type or in general and probably mis-used it, as it did have it's qualities. (speed, climb) Durability wasn't one of them: apparently the US didn't want it as a frontline fighter so it was passed on "for export only"...

There also was a 2-seater version, called CW-22. Dutch bought 34 of them, but very little is know about that an they probably were never delivered.

{EDIT} Just found an old book, CW-22s were delivered and used primarily for recce and training.


04-27-2004, 04:00 PM
I want the P-26! Hey mabey some of those exotic stuff that the Flying tigers flew? That would be nice. Espicilly in a Campain.