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05-27-2017, 11:51 AM
is the Defensive stat useless?

I mean, def. penetration will lower ur def to 0 if the enemy had enough. So, my thesis now is: u can totally ignore this stat cuz everybody will stack up def. penetration so it doesnt matter if u have defensivet or not.

Any other opinions ?

05-27-2017, 12:05 PM
Well, the new stats system allows for greater variety in builds, and I think not everyone will run with def penetration, especially when you have to sacrifice your Attack or Chip damage. On my kensei i really like to have the chip damage set to high, and I can never give up the Attack stat ^^.

But some table which would explain how the stats affect each other would be really helpful.

05-27-2017, 12:20 PM
chip dmg issnt that much worth or? i mean i have it on my kensei too on max (i guess its max) but its not very useful.

05-27-2017, 12:24 PM
Sometimes it saved my arse. It is seen mostly when your enemy is on critical health, and you actually SEE the damage even if he blocks. And if you are ganked on and you pop revenge, the chip damage really shines.

05-27-2017, 12:33 PM
i use Chip on my Conq + his punch through feat, and i use it on the Zerker, because i still like to play him as berserker and go crazy with the dance of blades. so you can rack up a fair bit of chip damage.

and Def stat is still useful, because well Def Pen will not take you into negative Def. if you use gear the bumps the other two sats and lowers your Def, then you will indeed have lower def. so really you want to have some def, to keep it positive or at least at 0.

05-27-2017, 02:45 PM
is it not this way, if ur enemy has 10% def and u got 10% defpen, the enemy will have 9% not 0

05-27-2017, 03:11 PM
is it not this way, if ur enemy has 10% def and u got 10% defpen, the enemy will have 9% not 0
Yes. Because 10% of 10% is 1%. Def. penetration works against your defense bonus, not your defense as a whole. If your defense bonus were 20%, a 10% def pen would put it at 18%, etc. They don't just compare and subtract.

05-27-2017, 03:13 PM
is it not this way, if ur enemy has 10% def and u got 10% defpen, the enemy will have 9% not 0

Yeah that's how I read it, the newsletter on 18th May listed the stats

Defense Penetration

Defense Penetration allows your Hero's Attacks to ignore an amount of the enemy Hero’s Defense when attacking them.
Your Hero ignores as much of the opponent’s Defense as the value of the Defense Penetration is.


05-27-2017, 03:13 PM
I mean they DO compare and subtract but not as base numbers. You know what i mean...right?

05-27-2017, 03:27 PM
Watch the Dev stream. Defense penetration will subtract defense all to way to zero. So defense is pretty useless now.

05-27-2017, 03:45 PM
ATM if u have 10% def and the enemy has 10% pene u got 0 thats the clue at the moment. its not miltiplicative it negates it direkt.