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joberrick
08-09-2004, 09:19 PM
How come no one ever tried to make a Flyable 17? There are many pics.

joberrick
08-09-2004, 09:19 PM
How come no one ever tried to make a Flyable 17? There are many pics.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
08-09-2004, 09:50 PM
Do a search on B-17 flyable you will find your answer

In short yes there are pics but not enough detailed info to construct all the possible positions such as ball turrets side gunner radio man etc

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tsisqua
08-09-2004, 09:59 PM
It takes an entire team of developers to construct all these different positions, and have them all agree with what is going on in the game's code. I believe that it was being worked on at one time, but nothing promising yet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Future-
08-09-2004, 11:16 PM
It IS still being worked on, but as you said, it takes time.

Maybe we will have it one day, maybe not. Time will tell.

S!

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WTE_Galway
08-09-2004, 11:42 PM
its not just the cockpit and gun positions

the flight models for flyable planes are far far more detailed than the AI uses and an accurate FM for a 4 engined B17 would be a major work all by itself

this topic has coem up before with many more "arcady" players saying they are happy just to have a plane flyable and Oleg insisting either its correct or not at all

Future-
08-09-2004, 11:58 PM
Not fully correct.

Especially the B-17 we currently have has already received numerous changes over time, to both it's FM and DM.

The FMs for fully flyables are more detailed, true, but some of the ai planes' FMs aren't that far off from what I know.


The most difficult and time consuming work indeed for the B-17 is the 'pits, gunner stations, bomb sight. Both the creation & implementation of these.
Compared to that, tuning the FM is relatively easy and quickly done.

S!

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S 8
08-10-2004, 07:38 AM
Take B17 Flying Fortress 2.Copy the various positon and touch them up a bit and convert them into AEP.Problem solved!
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Aero_Shodanjo
08-10-2004, 08:04 AM
you beat me 1st S 8... lol
I was going to post the same thing.

yeah, just buy the B17 Flying Fortress 2. Its graphic is good and will fit nicely into AEP.

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Obi_Kwiet
08-10-2004, 09:09 AM
I hated that game. I never figured how to use it. It was probably the most counter intuitave game ever made.

GT182
08-10-2004, 09:33 AM
Obi_Kwiet, no offense but, I don't think you tried very hard to master B17. Go to bombs-away.net/forums the European thread and check in v8th Ops. We've got all the info there to get you going. It's not as hard as you think.... if I can fly it successfully anyone can. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Agamemnon22
08-10-2004, 12:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S 8:
Take B17 Flying Fortress 2.Copy the various positon and touch them up a bit and convert them into AEP.Problem solved!
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How do you propose to take it?
"Hi, Microprose? Can you send me the source art for your game?"

Future-
08-10-2004, 12:40 PM
Besides, I have the funny feeling that the graphic engines of B-17 2 and FB are hardly compatible.

And if I recall correctly, the B-17s interior in B-17 2 isn't real 3D, whereas the interiors in FB are.

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SKULLS_Exec01
08-10-2004, 12:43 PM
Well personally I'm with you guys - I would rather have a flyable B-17 now and have them add the other gunners and bombers areas later on.
Heck, even take a FM from the large russion bomber and just soup it up a little and let everyone one fly it, sure you will get plenty of feedback on it then!!!
Either way - I look forward to it being flyable and expect tweaking later in a patch, its not only fine but expected with a top notch game like this, with its great support and fine tuning adjustments.
Salute S! Oleg and team!!!

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TC_Stele
08-10-2004, 02:17 PM
I personally wouldn't mind if the B-17 didn't have all the gunner control stations, as long as the cockpit and bomber position are there. I consider myself a happy go bomber in the game and I've almost never used the gunner positions. Not sure if I speak for the bomber pilots here but your main priorities while flying are the cockpit and the bomber position, while you let the ai gunners take care of those fighters out there.

If I had to personally decide whether to give up the gunner positions to get the B-17 flyable, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Future-
08-10-2004, 04:31 PM
Nah, I disagree. Although we bomber guys really sit most of the time in the 'pit or on the bombsight, I'd at least wanna have top turret, ball turret and aft guns.

The reason is simple: some fighterpilots fly ridiculously close up to the B-17, but since the gunners have been nerfed, the ai can't always give proper protection, whereas a human gunner (read: the player using the guns manually) could score good hits, and sometimes do a better job in defending his ship.

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p1ngu666
08-10-2004, 04:37 PM
thats true
i always catch il2 gunner fireing at targets 1km away, then when i swith to rear gunner, no ammo for me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
yeah the top turret, rear and ball and front. u dont hit much from the waist positions anyways

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VR_Ace_
08-10-2004, 04:46 PM
Ah forget the B17, give us a lancaster and a mosquito and i will be very happy, any british planes would be a bonus, a fylable blenheim perhaps or a wellington, should all be given priority over the B17 in my opinion which i know very few other people will agree with.

TC_Stele
08-10-2004, 05:28 PM
I'd like the turrets too but at the rate that people say it would take to build it it might be never. That's why I suggested just the cockpit and bomber seat.

What if they just worked on maybe a 3 of the gunner spots?

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Fennec_P
08-10-2004, 05:36 PM
A guy named Alintdll (spelling?) was working on the B-17. I can only assume the project is canned by now.

The B-24 also was under development, but I haven't heard anything about that since. Either it is canned too, or it is secret for inclusion in PF (fat chance).

I have heard about at least 1 large bomber to be flyable in PF, but I don't know if its public info, so I won't say anything about that.

For anyone fanatiaclly interested in seeing any of these, possibly for inclusion in a BoB addon, I would suggest that you collect reference info for it. Not pictures of B-17, B-24 or Lancs now, but historical ones, especially of obscure parts like the turrets and equipment.

For addon planes made for free, people can't afford to buy reference. The info one would find online is generally useless.

If the guns don't work, there is no point. No one would survive 5 minutes with the AI gunners.

NorrisMcWhirter
08-10-2004, 05:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VR_Ace_:
Ah forget the B17, give us a lancaster and a mosquito and i will be very happy, any british planes would be a bonus, a fylable blenheim perhaps or a wellington, should all be given priority over the B17 in my opinion which i know very few other people will agree with.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

^ I agree. Every bloke and his dog has experienced a B17 in some game/film or other. Let's have an Il-2 slant on things where we see something unusual (e.g. historical realism? oh, the sarcasm) for once. Last time I flew a Lancaster was in 'The Dambusters' by (ironically, maybe) US Gold on the Spectrum 48K circa '85 so this would be my second choice.

Otherwise, a nice multi-role Mozzie.

Cheers,
Norris

I disagree with you on that one... I think they should make the bombers currently in the game flyable and then make more... in fact id like to see all the non flyables flyable. Dont get me wrong a Lancaster would be nice ans would a Mossie.. but I think a flyable B-17 would be better and easier since the plane is already here. They just need the manpower to do it.

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WTE_Galway
08-10-2004, 06:59 PM
unusual huh ?

well what about a Boulton Paul Defiant ??

then we could do the famous Defiant night fighter trick of sneaking under the he111's as they came into land and popping up in front of them while they where dirty with flaps and gear down and blasting the he111 cockpit with the rear turrent http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Future-
08-10-2004, 07:07 PM
Most of the british arsenal is probably reserved for BoB by now, though I have to agree that the Mosquito and the Lancaster would be... nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

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WUAF_Badsight
08-10-2004, 11:17 PM
my moneys on the B-17 never making it to FB as flyable

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