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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 04:07 AM
I'd love to model for FB, a service being offered to you by lots of modellers for free! but I don't want to spend $900 dollars on 3D Studio Max...

Any chance of that happening? I don't know what kind of costs that would incur, but surely the money being made from FB, which is being increased constantly via the release of 3d party models would be able to pay for it?

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 04:07 AM
I'd love to model for FB, a service being offered to you by lots of modellers for free! but I don't want to spend $900 dollars on 3D Studio Max...

Any chance of that happening? I don't know what kind of costs that would incur, but surely the money being made from FB, which is being increased constantly via the release of 3d party models would be able to pay for it?

S!

Jazz

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:57 AM
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I believe he does... There are some threads about this over there, but I didn't bother to read them /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 11:59 AM
The last definite answer I can remember was NO ...

There are basically two reasons for it:

a) GMAX is based on a later 3DMAX version than Il-2 and FB are using.

b) GMAX licence for the developer of the game is awfully expensive. 1C can´t afford that.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 03:06 PM
Did not the version of 3DStudio get upgraded to ver.5?

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 03:31 PM
MiloMorai wrote:
- Did not the version of 3DStudio get upgraded to
- ver.5?
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No. What modellers have been doing is using a little plug-in called "Back From Five" to convert 3DMax 5.0 models into 3DMax 3.0 models. That plug in doesn't work with Gmax.

I haven't been able to find a direct price for Gmax on the Discrete website, however, when one considers that 3DStudio Max costs ~$5,000 US per seat, and Gmax contains most of the functionality of 3D Studio Max and allows unlimited seats, a GMax license likely costs $50,000 to $100,000, or more. Discrete is not one to sell low cost software, not when they control the market the way they do.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:28 PM
The last time I ran an estimate for what it would cost Ubi to license GMAX for all of its games would cost something over $500,000. Then to take advantage of the license, they'd have to customize GMAX for each game individually, which runs the cost up even higher when you add in the programming time.

Ubi ain't making that kind of money.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 06:16 PM
And not being able to customize your own airplanes for IL2/FB is why people are still goofing around with the MS sims. The chances of the average person modelling a plane, then seeing it fly in this game are very slim. I understand why, but I am just saying . . .

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 08:24 PM
If you build it Oleg will probebly accept it, the problem is you have to build it first/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . That is the area where alot of modelers fall short. MS FS and CFS have alot of third party planes, the vast majority of which arn't worth the 2 second download. There are a few good ones, but most are crap. I prefer Oleg's way of doing third party planes. It ensures that you don't have to download 300 poorly made planes in order to get 1 or 2 good ones. And you don't have to worry about running into any "P-47D-27's" with 999 MK108's and a top speed of warp 7 online.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 08:25 PM
Umm, Actually Tsisqua, I don't know any aircraft being modelled for FB that have been outright turned down... Not after people have put work into them, but I could be wrong. And I'm not asking to open up Il2 to the kind of editing that infests the CFS world, what I am saying is that requiring people who buy your game, and want to add to it, but requiring them to pay $500 to Discreet on top of making 1C and Ubi more money... Well, it might make buisness sense, but thats about where all sense stops...

My take:

Cornering the market and owning the market are two different things.. That Discreet thinks it can sell 3D Studio Max for upwards of 5 grand a seat would be like selling a $30,000 set of pliars/wrenches, because with that set of pliars/wrenches, you could build a car... Just my .2c but since I'm not trying to change the world.. just a game /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I'll leave that alone right now...

Anyone who wonders why their favorite plane is not being modeled might just find that its because there are very few modelers dedicating time to FB because, if they have 3D Studio Max, they probably use it for a living.. And modelling for this community isn't putting bread on the table.. On the other hand, there are a lot of us out there with little else to do with their time, who would love to put something together, but can't, because $500 dollars is a lot of money.

I understand the reasons why it hasn't been done.. I just don't like them /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 10:31 PM
Jazz-Man wrote:
- Umm, Actually Tsisqua, I don't know any aircraft
- being modelled for FB that have been outright turned
- down... Not after people have put work into them,
- but I could be wrong. . . .

. . . there are very few modelers dedicating time to FB because, if they have 3D Studio Max, they probably use it for a living.. And modelling for this community isn't putting bread on the table.. . . .



My point exactly, Jazz. You said it way better than I could. My few experiences with 3D Studio Max tells me that the learning curve on the proggy is pretty steep. I do like that new planes, when they are added (to IL2), are so good. The problem is that most of us are having to beg, plead, and generally bother those good people that devote time to doing the planes that we want. And like you said, $500.00 is a lot to pay for a program just to create hobby planes for a flight sim.
We have a tremendous set of planes for this game, and I understand that it was created as an Eastern Front game. Have a look at the Yaks that were created for WWII Fighters, or CFS (any version) and they are not bad at all. (OK, some crap) People wanted to bring those sims to the Eastern Front, and were able to do so. I agree with the author of this thread because Gmax would bring the ability to create 3rd party goodies much closer to the rest of us.
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