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Tooz_69GIAP
05-18-2004, 06:02 PM
Is Pacific Fighters gonna be virtually a US only game??? It certainly seems that way at least.

Maybe I'm wrong.

I would like to see the RAAF, the RNZAF, the Dutch Air Force, the RAF, and Chinese Air Force, as well as the USAAF and USN, etc.

I am intrigued by the Pacific, but certainly not to the extent as I am the European/Mediterranean theatre, and quite frankly, I don't want to fly solely US aircraft.

But then again, where's the money gonna be coming from?? Well, with a shed load of US aircraft, it's gonna be the US that will supply most of the green.

I just hope that this isn't gonna be a US only affair.

Tooz

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Tooz_69GIAP
05-18-2004, 06:02 PM
Is Pacific Fighters gonna be virtually a US only game??? It certainly seems that way at least.

Maybe I'm wrong.

I would like to see the RAAF, the RNZAF, the Dutch Air Force, the RAF, and Chinese Air Force, as well as the USAAF and USN, etc.

I am intrigued by the Pacific, but certainly not to the extent as I am the European/Mediterranean theatre, and quite frankly, I don't want to fly solely US aircraft.

But then again, where's the money gonna be coming from?? Well, with a shed load of US aircraft, it's gonna be the US that will supply most of the green.

I just hope that this isn't gonna be a US only affair.

Tooz

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heywooood
05-18-2004, 06:18 PM
Whoever said that? - no - PF will have some UK equipment and probably some Aussie and NZ stuff too.. maybe not all at once.. but eventually.

Besides with the maps provided and the skins that will be available - campaign writers should be able to create lots of great stuff for other combatants from the PTO.

Chuck_Older
05-18-2004, 06:20 PM
I hear Nakajima and Mitsubishi are considered "foreign" companies by folks in the US. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The Chinese Air Force developed exactly one fighter during WWII, as I recall, and it was based on a...US aircraft.

RAAF and RNZAF would logically get some planes we already have.

And don't forget that the P-40 was available to the Brits as Lend-Lease.

Dutch- well, now, there I agree. Dutch planes should be included.


Remember when Il*2 came out? It was primarily Soviet vs German planes, very limited. Why should you be surprised that Pacific Fighters would be primarily US and Japanese planes?

Although WWII was won by Allied effort and allies other than the US fought and contributed to the PTO, I can't understand why US forces would be thought of as a poor choice as a group to concentrate on. Also don't forget that the product we traditionally are used to around here isn't released unless

1) there's enough info on the plane to due it 'properly'

2) if nobody does the work in the realm of 3rd party modelling, it's not getting done unless it's an obvious choice.

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LEXX_Luthor
05-18-2004, 06:23 PM
Strange. Flyable Beaufighter is not getting alot of press here.

Chuck_Older
05-18-2004, 06:28 PM
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That's because it's a clever ruse.

The Beau will have the word, "Lockheed" faintly visible under the paint. U.S. psy-op, make no mistake.

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heywooood
05-18-2004, 06:39 PM
Chuck's killin' me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

US psy-op http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif ahahahahaha!!!

BtW flyable Beau has already been said to be included, no ?

LEXX_Luthor
05-18-2004, 06:47 PM
Yes, and Beau should be the surface strike equivalent of Fb110G which everybody Craved for.

heywooood
05-18-2004, 06:51 PM
now yer talkin'... Low and Lethal.

Penguin_PFF
05-18-2004, 07:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Is Pacific Fighters gonna be virtually a US only game???
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Maybe I'm wrong.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes.

Giganoni
05-18-2004, 07:09 PM
We also have PF shots of British people buzzing around in flying coffins, so at least they are in it. I hope it isn't just on a Japanese campaign though.

tower.1963
05-18-2004, 07:51 PM
How much french involvement?????
I'm thinking of indochina *****ula,what aircraft/how many did they have when they (vichy france) handed over to japenese forces.Also what was make up of russian forces fighting in pacific???

tenmmike
05-18-2004, 08:07 PM
funny the french and german pf forums are still on their first page

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Giganoni
05-18-2004, 09:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tower.1963:
How much french involvement?????
I'm thinking of indochina *****ula,what aircraft/how many did they have when they (vichy france) handed over to japenese forces.Also what was make up of russian forces fighting in pacific???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've read that once some JAAF fighters shot down some Vichy French 406's in Indochina once by mistake it was on January 27 1942. I guess the flight leader was a little jumpy, thought they were enemies. Brought em down in Ki-27s (Yes many JAAF units in this theater had the Nate until March 1942). Indochina saw some action, AVG did a few strikes there, and Japanese launched strikes against the AVG from there. Avg didn't do much in North Indochina though, strafe some Ki-27s on the ground or some obsolete bombers.

Hmm, I wonder if the Vichy French ever engaged the AVG or Chinese fighters? That would be cool to find info on.

VW-IceFire
05-18-2004, 09:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tower.1963:
How much french involvement?????
I'm thinking of indochina *****ula,what aircraft/how many did they have when they (vichy france) handed over to japenese forces.Also what was make up of russian forces fighting in pacific???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As far as I know, any serious Russian effort didn't come till later in 1945 when the Japanese turned to the Russians to try and negotiate some sort of resumption of hostilities (and the Allies policy was only to accept surrender) the Russians in turn declared war. Probably part of the Allies overall strategy...no idea what the specifics were.

If you play the AEP single mission for the Ki-84b then you'll see a very brief representation of one of those battles.

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Copperhead310th
05-18-2004, 09:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tenmmike:
funny the french and german pf forums are still on their first page

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http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Hehehe........ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif GOOD!

No there is an RAAF aircraft being developed from what i read over at net wings. Can't remember the name of it (to tired to think tonight) But i saw some pics. neat looking little plane. & i agree just wait and see.
I started the 310th (A USAAF PTO Squadron) way back in IL-2 with only 1 us plane to fly (p-39) and it was a russain lend lease vertion. NOW almost 3 years latter the sim is catching up with us & we have our P-47's. so theres always hope. But hopefully it won't take that long. Really with 40 flybles from day 1 & a total of over 100 aircraft...you can expact to see these countries & Planes in PF. Just so long as i don't see 109's over Iwo Jima. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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tower.1963
05-18-2004, 11:31 PM
[QUOTE] posted 18-05-04 20:14
quote:
I've read that once some JAAF fighters shot down some Vichy French 406's in Indochina once by mistake it was on January 27 1942. I guess the flight leader was a little jumpy, thought they were enemies
Possibly not, bearing in mind in indochina upto 15000 french troops(local marquis/militia included) were rounded and shot by their JAAP "allies",the lucky ones who escaped fought on with what became the viet minh.

05-19-2004, 01:35 AM
From what I have seen in Historical records, the RAF had Hurricanes and Brewsters based in Maylaya as well as many obsolete Bi planes.
The Vickers Wildebeast a bi plane torpedoe bomber, was one of the Bi plane types,
The Japanese slaughtered them at Endau on the Maylay peninsular.
Of course the Yanks had the P-40E the brewster and the Wildcat,the Aussies where using the P-40E in New Guinea as well, and then the P-39s showed up around late april 42.
Thats not too bad when you consider the A6M2 Naval Zero, and the JAAF Oscar where the main Japanese fighters.

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Timex62
05-19-2004, 09:02 AM
Here's a gimme: Anyone remember the "Defence of Australia" campaign from CFS2? All we would need plane wise (other than what we know we're getting) is the Nell bomber. That, a map, and some skins is all we need!

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VMF513_Whitey1
05-20-2004, 12:22 PM
that was a great mission pack. Deffinetly the best campaign ever made for CFS2. Deffinetly in the top 5 of best things ever made for CFS2 IMO. But it would be kickin to see that in PF. The skins, missions, etc etc. Im sure even if there wasnt a map of the exact location, you could substitute a map.

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BSS_Vidar
05-20-2004, 12:47 PM
Copperhead wrote:
"Just so long as I don't see 109's over Iwo Jima. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif"

Aaaaaa-men brodah.

BSS_Vidar

Stuntie
05-20-2004, 01:08 PM
Most of the US stuff was also flown by the Royal Navy and the Austrailan and New Zealand navy including:

Wildcats, Hellcats, Corsairs, Avengers.

Spitfires, Hurricanes, Thunderbolts, Blenhims and Brewsters were also used, which are already in IL2/FB.
Beafighters appear to on the cards as well.

So unless you are desperate to take on the Akagi in a Swordfish theres already plenty to choose from, and it's all historically there in the pacific.

Cheers.
Stuntie

WOLFMondo
05-20-2004, 02:00 PM
Some of the IL2:FB/aces models would need some work to put them in PF. For a start the Spitfires need changes like a tropical filter for the VB and the addition of the VIII. Not forgetting 2 types of Seafire and XIV's also flew in the Pacific. What about the firefly as well?

Did the swordfish serve in the Pacific? I thought they were replaiced with Avengers?

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Obi_Kwiet
05-20-2004, 05:44 PM
Japan. Duhhhh! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif

Owl_NZ
05-20-2004, 06:46 PM
RNZAF flew:

P-40 E, K, M, N
F4U-1A and -1D Corsairs
PV-1 & RB34 Ventura
PBY-5 and PB2B Catalina
Dauntless SBD-3, -4, -5
Avenger TBF-1C
Dakota C-47
Hudsons

The RNZN had no a/c. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

From memory the RAF had:
Spitfire Vc's, IX's, 14's
Hurricane IIB, IIC, IID (not sure on last one)
Firefly
Swordfish
Avenger
Corsair (used it on carriers operationally before the US did too.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )
Seafire
Buffalo
Beaufighter
Beaufort
Blenheim
Thunderbolts
Dakotas
Liberators? (maybe, can't remember)

and others. But there are plenty easily transferred from FB/AEP to PF.

The only uniquely Aussie planes that served from memory were the Mk XXI? Beaufighter, the Wirraway and the Boomerang. But the Aussies had Spit VIII's, the Mustang very late (probably not in service at the end, can't remember), Liberators, Lightnings, Airacobras IIRC, Beaufighters, Wirraways, Boomerangs, P-40's, Mitchells, Dakotas, and others.

I am trying to get luthier's attention of the RNZAF and RAF matters. No luck so far.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Stuntie
05-21-2004, 12:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Owl_NZ:

The RNZN had no a/c. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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There were a number of New Zealand squadrons on the Royal Navy carriers though, including Corsairs and Avengers.
Though technically RNZAF they were effectively a New Zealand FAA.

Remember that the Royal Navy was British + Commonwealth, i.e. any one of them could raise Royal Navy or RAF squadrons if they did not have there own official Navy/Air Force.

Cheers.
Stuntie

[This message was edited by Stuntie on Fri May 21 2004 at 12:06 PM.]

Aaron_GT
05-22-2004, 02:38 AM
"As far as I know, any serious Russian effort didn't come till later in 1945 when the Japanese turned to the Russians to try and negotiate some sort of resumption of hostilities (and the Allies policy was only to accept surrender) the Russians in turn declared war. Probably part of the Allies overall strategy...no idea what the specifics were."

The USSR had fought a series of wars against Japan in the 1930s, the last in 1939. The Western Allied strategy, as well as that of the USSR, was to defeat Germany first. The USSR took this to the logical extreme of not reopening hostilities until 1945, as agreed at, I think, Yalta. The USSR got as far as the Kuril Islands (considered part of the home islands by Japan) before the end of hostilities. Since Stalin wanted to grab back Manchuria (scene of the 1930s wars) he wasn't an honest broker in the attempts by the Japanese to negotiate peace after the return to civilian government in Japan in May 1945. In any case Western Allied policy was to only accept unconditional surrender.

Aaron_GT
05-22-2004, 02:39 AM
"Did the swordfish serve in the Pacific? I thought they were replaiced with Avengers?"

I think they were replaced by a combination of Avengers, Barracudas and Fireflys.

Aaron_GT
05-22-2004, 02:43 AM
Spitfire Vc's, IX's, 14's [also VIII]
Hurricane IIB, IIC, IID [also IV]
Firefly
[Fulmar, Barrcuda?]
Swordfish [is this definite?]
Avenger
Corsair
Seafire
Buffalo
Beaufighter
Beaufort
Blenheim [mostly IV I think]
Thunderbolts
Dakotas
Liberators?
[Halifax?]
[Tempest V]