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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 12:03 AM
I guess they sense the P-80 comming, and the end of there easy domination over prop aircraft. Since the 262 was introduced, I have had no moral delima about vulching them landing, taking off, or standing still. Because once they get in the air, they are un-stoppable. The only solution they give is the funniest thing I ever heard. "Fly a 262 to shoot down a 262". LOL! Ya. The problem is, the servers I typically fly on, the 262 is not an option for Red. LAst server I was on, there was a group of about 5 262's on a team of 6. Every Red was vulching them left and right. The high pitched whine was not the 262's engine, but the pilots! We let the 109's and 190's take off, but they were stubbern. Was a lot of fun. I took a screen shot of about 5 262's ligned up for the killing. Man they burn well.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 12:03 AM
I guess they sense the P-80 comming, and the end of there easy domination over prop aircraft. Since the 262 was introduced, I have had no moral delima about vulching them landing, taking off, or standing still. Because once they get in the air, they are un-stoppable. The only solution they give is the funniest thing I ever heard. "Fly a 262 to shoot down a 262". LOL! Ya. The problem is, the servers I typically fly on, the 262 is not an option for Red. LAst server I was on, there was a group of about 5 262's on a team of 6. Every Red was vulching them left and right. The high pitched whine was not the 262's engine, but the pilots! We let the 109's and 190's take off, but they were stubbern. Was a lot of fun. I took a screen shot of about 5 262's ligned up for the killing. Man they burn well.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 12:13 AM
hehe, I can't wait to dominate with that P-80 of yours gib!

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:02 AM
There are few things I enjoy more than diving on a 262 with a p-47 and seeing it go down

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09-23-2003, 04:13 AM
A burning 262 is a beautiful thing.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:14 AM
hehehe LOL thats funny. Were they any good in thier jets?? Cool pic look at them scurry slowly not wanting to blow thier engines up. P-80's gonna be good. Even me, a uber 262 driver, will be sure to take the P-80 up every so often. However, regardless of any inferiorities I'll stay loyal to my Messerschmitt...... Its kept me alive better than any other plane so far.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:21 AM
Me-262 will still be much better than P-80 against piston fighters. 1 press of a button and everything goes boom. That simply does not happen with MGs.
And though I'll sure try the P-80, I'll enjoy fighting against it in He-162. It will be a good match, both have similar power loadings.


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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:25 AM
Huckebein_FW wrote:
- Me-262 will still be much better than P-80 against
- piston fighters. 1 press of a button and everything
- goes boom. That simply does not happen with MGs.
- And though I'll sure try the P-80, I'll enjoy
- fighting against it in He-162. It will be a good
- match, both have similar power loadings.
-

That just made me realize another thing.... Even with P-80 and He-162. There will be no better bomber killer plane yet. 4 Mk 108's just cannot be matched for outright hitting capacity. Plus R4M's if anyones suicidal enough to trade speed for them

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:52 AM
The problem is bringing the 262's guns to bear. Your so use too having your way with anyone once you get your speed, I bet you forgot how to dogfight. Now, once an apponent can match both your speed and ajility, it will come down to pilot skill. I have been cutting my teeth flying the falling wonder in tight turn fights with Yak's and 109's. My air combat I would think is a little more homed in then your's. All you been doing is diving on poor un-aware noobies and picking up easy kills.

P.S. In the 3 times we met online, you ran away from me all 3 times in a 262, and not even came close to firing on me once. When I can catch you in a P-80, its time to stop running, and start fighting. Something I doubt you remember how to do.

Gib

Huckebein_FW wrote:
- Me-262 will still be much better than P-80 against
- piston fighters. 1 press of a button and everything
- goes boom. That simply does not happen with MGs.
- And though I'll sure try the P-80, I'll enjoy
- fighting against it in He-162. It will be a good
- match, both have similar power loadings.
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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 05:02 AM
When I'm up against ME-262's I have a simply tactic. Select the available aircraft with the most MG's. Set deflection high like 500 meters. That gives me a wings wide spread at 1000 meters.
I then turn head on into them, and open up way early. Then as the range closes I simply barrel roll. I've yet had a ME-262 pilot take me head on. In fact even in my earlier days I did the same without the roll. Usually resulted in a 1 for 1 loss as we both ended up eating dirt. 26's simply flame, and explode with the greatest of ease. You don't have to hit certain parts or anything. With a little rudder waving, and wing wagging you can even hit them in an I-16 at 1000 meters.
When it's coming at you it's bullet velocity+aircraft velocity+ your aircraft velocity=bullet impact velocity. Even the smalled of MG's in the game will make a 262 burn.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 05:04 AM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- The problem is bringing the 262's guns to bear.
- Your so use too having your way with anyone once you
- get your speed, I bet you forgot how to dogfight.
- Now, once an apponent can match both your speed and
- ajility, it will come down to pilot skill. I have
- been cutting my teeth flying the falling wonder in
- tight turn fights with Yak's and 109's. My air
- combat I would think is a little more homed in then
- your's. All you been doing is diving on poor
- un-aware noobies and picking up easy kills.
-
- P.S. In the 3 times we met online, you ran away
- from me all 3 times in a 262, and not even came
- close to firing on me once. When I can catch you in
- a P-80, its time to stop running, and start
- fighting. Something I doubt you remember how to do.


You don't remember it quite well. We met only twice. On first I donwned you after you were delighted with 37mm firepower - I told you then "30mm are not bad either". You whinned a little and the host booted you. Second time was last night on a server with mountains that my video card can't handle. I had freezes longer than 5 seconds at each respawn on the map, so I left.

But we can meet anytime you want Gib. We'll fight the fighter you choose, P39, Bf109, La7, Me262 you name it, but we must have the same plane. You think you can handle it?


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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 05:08 AM
Hopperfly22 wrote:
- When I'm up against ME-262's I have a simply tactic.
- Select the available aircraft with the most MG's.
- Set deflection high like 500 meters. That gives me
- a wings wide spread at 1000 meters.
-
- I then turn head on into them, and open up way
- early. Then as the range closes I simply barrel
- roll. I've yet had a ME-262 pilot take me head on.
- In fact even in my earlier days I did the same
- without the roll. Usually resulted in a 1 for 1
- loss as we both ended up eating dirt. 26's simply
- flame, and explode with the greatest of ease. You
- don't have to hit certain parts or anything. With a
- little rudder waving, and wing wagging you can even
- hit them in an I-16 at 1000 meters.
- When it's coming at you it's bullet
- velocity+aircraft velocity+ your aircraft
- velocity=bullet impact velocity. Even the smalled
- of MG's in the game will make a 262 burn.


The fact you can smoke an engine from 1km away is an error in DM. It never happened to me from such a great distance, but my engine was shot from 0.8km, which is not accurate either.


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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 05:17 AM
heheh go fast enough and they can't hit ya at .5km. Don't fly at them or away from them in a line. climb and dive, and repeat. gives slow prop jobs a hard time following except for one thats really powering along. and the best thing to do is not try and go 1 on 1 in the 262 against props. Look for a prop buddy who's under fire and bust up his/her attacker. However, I've had some awesome 1 on 1's in the jet too. at least 3 of them and, I'm not affraid to say, I lost all 3. as my style of combat isn't 1 on 1. but I'll have to change that when the P-80 enters the scene.

MD_FuryFIghter

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 05:33 AM
The addition of the Allied jet will test your flying skills, not your back stabbing skills http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I dont fly the 262 much simply because I get bored. I use it for ground attack and it excells there! I said it before the 262 was put in, and I will say it now. Nobody can touch a well flown 262, and thats the truth. Not even the Bi-1 stands a chance with 15 seconds of fuel and 60 rounds. The P-80 will be the best online compatition, and will give the Me-262 a workout for its kill.

MD_FuryFighter wrote:

- However, I've had some awesome 1 on 1's in the jet
- too. at least 3 of them and, I'm not affraid to say,
- I lost all 3. as my style of combat isn't 1 on 1.
- but I'll have to change that when the P-80 enters
- the scene.
-
- MD_FuryFIghter
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All hail the ME-262 Fliegenm藕千chen!

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 05:44 AM
Those first turbines were very picky. A single round through the intake, and you had problems. Unlike a prop where the bullet probably won't hit a blade or matter if it does too much.

A turbine is a presicion balanced compressor turning extremely high RPM's in order to feed the relatively small combustion area enough fuel to air mixture. Relatively small compared to the thrust produced that is.

A bird can mess a turbine up, and I've seen model jet engines that sucked a beetle into the intake, and caused a flame out.

On the other had due to their design, and nature turbine's don't normally explode. Normally they just gut themselves, and throw their parts out the exhaust.
Why the German turbines flame so much I don't know. Even without an ECU computer to control the fuel pump, advancing the throttle too fast would result in a flame out. Too much fuel, and not enough air. In a simple old stlye turbine thats all throttle control is just a adjustable fuel pump. Slowly adding fuel makes the turbine spin up, and cutting the fuel slowly makes the turbine spool down.
Thus in theory cutting the throttle to an engine normally results in a short burn time before it extinguishes once the excess fuel burns off.
Also on the explosiveness I'm not sure what fuel the germans used. We use kerosine, or refined diesel.

Anyway back to the point a hard metal object or two entering the intake of a turbine is bad. Even if someone just threw the bullets into the turbine. All it has to do is chip or off balance a compressor blade turning 75,000+ rpm's and it's bye-bye.

So I see nothing wrong with the DM of the 262 when rounds hit the turbines.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:11 AM
Also remember that the German metals were not up-to-par for turbine use. 10-12 hours of flight time before it needed an overhaul.

Gib

All hail the ME-262 Fliegenm藕千chen!

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:24 AM
The best thing there is: To down a 262 with my Chaika, in the air, Has happened quite many times actually, seems that many "not so talented" pilots choose this bird because of the "speed", but they don't know how to handle it.

Boost my selfconfidence everytime, and I will never put myself in one of those crates. I like the old tubs, where there is a challange to down the swish planes. OK i get shot down a lot too, but it's as I say a challenge to get by with inferior planes. I keep telling myself that it is a good way to improve ones skills, not to rely too much on the plane but on your ability as a pilot. Am I wrong in this?

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:26 AM
Gibbage1 wrote:


All you been doing is diving on poor
un-aware noobies and picking up easy kills.



Didn't you just start this thread, bragging about vulching other craft?

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:28 AM
Huckebein_FW wrote:
-
- But we can meet anytime you want Gib. We'll fight
- the fighter you choose, P39, Bf109, La7, Me262 you
- name it, but we must have the same plane. You think
- you can handle it?
-


GIBBAGE!. He is challenging u. We want an answer /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 09:00 AM
Yhea,GIBBAGE!!!
we want an answer. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
comme on,show'm what your made off.
and PLEASE make a track of it to show,I really really am interested. I'lle ven make a small map if you want.Low LAG possibility's etc.
just plain simple,airbase and 2 flacks,1 per base thats all. verry simple so no one'll complain about LAG.AND,....
what if you are both in,....
ME 262 he say's he's got what it takes,I say go ahead do it,....

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 09:03 AM
Huckebein_FW wrote:
-
- But we can meet anytime you want Gib. We'll fight
- the fighter you choose, P39, Bf109, La7, Me262 you
- name it, but we must have the same plane. You think
- you can handle it?
-

YEAH

Come on.Gibbage. He hit u in the face with a glove! A Challenge!! We want a recorded duell!!!! Make us pride Gib!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 09:08 AM
F19_Orheim wrote:
- Huckebein_FW wrote:
--
-- But we can meet anytime you want Gib. We'll fight
-- the fighter you choose, P39, Bf109, La7, Me262 you
-- name it, but we must have the same plane. You think
-- you can handle it?
--
-
- YEAH
-
- Come on.Gibbage. He hit u in the face with a glove!
- A Challenge!! We want a recorded duell!!!! Make us
- pride Gib!


Leave the boy alone b@stards/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 09:11 AM
Huckebein_FW wrote:

- Leave the boy alone b@stards...

Hey. my parents were married when I was concieved /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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Zayets
09-23-2003, 11:12 AM
Hmmmm...
Never had a chance to fly a Me262 online coz mostly is banned. This splane deserves much attention from me if you guys say is a great vulching machine.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 11:26 AM
Hay Huck. You ever fly the with SkyChimp? I remember he challanged you, and you copped out on the "I dont have FB". Then "I have a beta." Well whats your excuse now? You know were I fly. TX-OC3 and Slammin. I challanged you in the game to fly something other then the 262, and you laughed and flew away. Past performance dictates your not up for the challange.

Gib

Huckebein_FW wrote:
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- Leave the boy alone b@stards/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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Zayets
09-23-2003, 11:32 AM
I love duels. But then you both should fly the F4 , which is , what they say a gentleman plane.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 11:34 AM
OK... well Gib, be sure to record if u guys meet ok /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif we all want to see the action...

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 11:52 AM
I had some duels with my opponents.-I won while using a 262 against 190 A9!
>Both are the best planes in this "sim". But nothing can beat the 262 flown by good jetpilots-nothing.


I would like to offer a server :262 vs P80.[> a topgunserver] if P80 comes in an addon.
This will be fun!


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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 11:55 AM
The 262 is a great trim on a slider plane.

Maybe more and more people are discovering the joys of the RBJ ShiftT.

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09-23-2003, 11:58 AM
RBJ , you couldn't hold yourself , ain't it?

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 01:09 PM
Well once the addon is released, we can have an all jet server. P-80, Me-262, He-162, Bi-1, Me-163 Go-229. Tough company. I think the He-162 will be the best out of that group.

Gib

kama1 wrote:
- I had some duels with my opponents.-I won while
- using a 262 against 190 A9!
- >Both are the best planes in this "sim". But
- nothing can beat the 262 flown by good
- jetpilots-nothing.
-
-
- I would like to offer a server :262 vs P80.[> a
- topgunserver] if P80 comes in an addon.
- This will be fun!
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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 01:20 PM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- P-80, Me-262, He-162, Bi-1, Me-163
- Go-229. Tough company. I think the He-162 will be
- the best out of that group.
-
- Gib
-

Till we get the Vampire at least. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 01:46 PM
The Meteor would be the red headed stepchild if it makes it. The early Mk's were not any good, like the P-59. The Vamp was better, but how late was it? Also, remember we are talking early jets here. US and British were getting ready to put there first generation jets when Germany was getting ready its 2nd gen (He-162 and Go-229) jets. So the 2nd gen will have quite a few advantages, but I think it will be a close fight. The P-80 was US's 2nd gen, and the Vamp was Britins 2nd gen.

Gib

DeerHunterUK wrote:
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- Gibbage1 wrote:
-- P-80, Me-262, He-162, Bi-1, Me-163
-- Go-229. Tough company. I think the He-162 will be
-- the best out of that group.
--
-- Gib
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- Till we get the Vampire at least. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
-

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eskimo-FHmod
09-23-2003, 01:57 PM
this is one of these my plane is better than yours threads, isnt it?
well all this does is destroying my fun with this game.
i just came off a server where i was insulted for flying a me-262. mind you, i am not good at it or anything. it was maybe the second time i flew it. way to go people.
go on then have your p*ssng contest. you are no better than CS kiddies.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 02:56 PM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- Hay Huck. You ever fly the with SkyChimp? I
- remember he challanged you, and you copped out on
- the "I dont have FB". Then "I have a beta." Well
- whats your excuse now? You know were I fly. TX-OC3
- and Slammin. I challanged you in the game to fly
- something other then the 262, and you laughed and
- flew away. Past performance dictates your not up
- for the challange.


Well Gib the story with Skychimp was very simple. At some point he was so mad on me (why I don't know, ask him) that he challenged me. I don't know he really intended to fight with me, since he knew that at that point I did not had FB. After I got FB he refused me saying that he promised to fight me only after Mustang will be in the game. I insisted for a quick fight but I could not change his mind.

Problem is why are you refusing me now too. What so scary about it? It's a game Gib, nobody will take your head off when you'll lose/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 03:02 PM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- All hail the ME-262 Fliegenm藕千chen!
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Gibbage please stop it!

You can't speak german, so plase don't try it anymore.

The whole thread you are hailing to young female flys.

But one a second thought, maybe that is where your preferences are?
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So here is something to hail for you:
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Hawgdog
09-23-2003, 03:46 PM
WHERE do you find any servers with the 262 on the pulldown menu????
Not calling you a liar, but all the weenies I see have banned the excellent late war jet jabo
please post some servers offering it, the cockpit of the 262 is one of my favorites




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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 05:05 PM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- The Meteor would be the red headed stepchild if it
- makes it. The early Mk's were not any good, like
- the P-59. The Vamp was better, but how late was it?
- Also, remember we are talking early jets here. US
- and British were getting ready to put there first
- generation jets when Germany was getting ready its
- 2nd gen (He-162 and Go-229) jets. So the 2nd gen
- will have quite a few advantages, but I think it
- will be a close fight. The P-80 was US's 2nd gen,
- and the Vamp was Britins 2nd gen.
-

The Vampire was actually a World War II jet, it 1st flew in September '43 with the 1st production model flying in April '45.The RAF received the 1st Vampires in April '46 but rumour has it they could of had them during the War but the British Government decided not to push ahead with production until after the War as they felt the Meteor and late production piston engine aircraft were good enough and thus the Vampire wasn't needed.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 05:35 PM
Great Sig there Dearhunter, and a nice bit of history too.

Nice looking plane the Vampire, is it part of the Sea Vixon family?

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 05:35 PM
DeerHunterUK wrote:
-
- Gibbage1 wrote:
-- The Meteor would be the red headed stepchild if it
-- makes it. The early Mk's were not any good, like
-- the P-59. The Vamp was better, but how late was it?
-- Also, remember we are talking early jets here. US
-- and British were getting ready to put there first
-- generation jets when Germany was getting ready its
-- 2nd gen (He-162 and Go-229) jets. So the 2nd gen
-- will have quite a few advantages, but I think it
-- will be a close fight. The P-80 was US's 2nd gen,
-- and the Vamp was Britins 2nd gen.
--
-
- The Vampire was actually a World War II jet, it 1st
- flew in September '43 with the 1st production model
- flying in April '45.The RAF received the 1st
- Vampires in April '46 but rumour has it they could
- of had them during the War but the British
- Government decided not to push ahead with production
- until after the War as they felt the Meteor and late
- production piston engine aircraft were good enough
- and thus the Vampire wasn't needed.


No Vampire was not a ww2 fighter, as P80 was not either. Goblin engines were not yet ready, without them Vampire was completely underpowered. This 0 generation british jets could barely compete with piston fighters, they were not capable of puting any troubles to german jets. Even after powerful engines became available, Meteor and Vampire could not compete with jets of their time. Obsolete aerodynamics was the cause.


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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 06:26 PM
Huckebein_FW wrote:

- No Vampire was not a ww2 fighter, as P80 was not
- either. Goblin engines were not yet ready, without
- them Vampire was completely underpowered. This 0
- generation british jets could barely compete with
- piston fighters, they were not capable of puting any
- troubles to german jets. Even after powerful engines
- became available, Meteor and Vampire could not
- compete with jets of their time. Obsolete
- aerodynamics was the cause.
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The Vampire F1 was fitted with a Goblin1 engine which gave a thrust of 2,700lb which at its rated altitude gave it a speed of 540mph (869kph). This performance would be more than adequate against the Me262.
During test flights it could out-manouvre a Spitfire XIV except for inital acceleration at low speed and rolling.



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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 07:13 PM
One13 wrote:
-
- Huckebein_FW wrote:
-
-- No Vampire was not a ww2 fighter, as P80 was not
-- either. Goblin engines were not yet ready, without
-- them Vampire was completely underpowered. This 0
-- generation british jets could barely compete with
-- piston fighters, they were not capable of puting any
-- troubles to german jets. Even after powerful engines
-- became available, Meteor and Vampire could not
-- compete with jets of their time. Obsolete
-- aerodynamics was the cause.
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-
-
- The Vampire F1 was fitted with a Goblin1 engine
- which gave a thrust of 2,700lb which at its rated
- altitude gave it a speed of 540mph (869kph). This
- performance would be more than adequate against the
- Me262.

Vampire F1 first flew on Apr. '45, first delivery to squadron service was in March '46, and only 170 were produced. A little late for ww2, isn't it?



- During test flights it could out-manouvre a Spitfire
- XIV except for inital acceleration at low speed and
- rolling.

Early jets could outmaneuver piston fighters by outzooming them and generaly outaccelerate them (except at low speeds). I do this everyday online, but you cannot expect more from them.
Vampire F1 had the same poor powerloading as Me-262 had. The large surface straight wing did not help it much countering the compression problems.


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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:14 PM
Huckebein_FW wrote:
-
- Early jets could outmaneuver piston fighters by
- outzooming them and generaly outaccelerate them
- (except at low speeds). I do this everyday online,
- but you cannot expect more from them.
- Vampire F1 had the same poor powerloading as Me-262
- had. The large surface straight wing did not help it
- much countering the compression problems.
----------------------------------------------------------

The Vampire could out-turn the Spitfire, I would like to see a Me262 do that.
Also the wings of the Me262 were no better than the Vampire at countering compresssion (they did not have enough sweep). The advantage the Vampire had was it's dive brakes.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 11:04 PM
Thats what I remember reading when i did my research on what jet to model. The Vamp was way underpowered, and the Meteor was restricted from acrobatics. They even put extreamly stuff springs in the controles of the Meteor from the factory to keep pilots from trying. There was even mention on another sight that you could tell Meteor pilots from the rest by his arms.

The reason I did the P-80 was because it was the only jet at the time that could match the Luftwaffa jets.

As for our challange, fine. Like I said, you know were to find me. Pick something OTHER then a Me-262. I dont wanna chase you down all day long. You will probably pick a 109 and B&Z me all day still. C ya in Slammin.

Gib

Huckebein_FW wrote:
- DeerHunterUK wrote:
-
- No Vampire was not a ww2 fighter, as P80 was not
- either. Goblin engines were not yet ready, without
- them Vampire was completely underpowered. This 0
- generation british jets could barely compete with
- piston fighters, they were not capable of puting any
- troubles to german jets. Even after powerful engines
- became available, Meteor and Vampire could not
- compete with jets of their time. Obsolete
- aerodynamics was the cause.
-
-
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- src="http://www.stormbirds.com/images/discussion-m
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-
- Message Edited on 09/23/03 11:36AM by
- Huckebein_FW



All hail the ME-262 Fliegenm藕千chen!

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 11:10 PM
I wonder if your beloved P-80 will suck in the zoom climb as much as the 262 does.
In case you haven't noticed Oleg made the 262 crap in the zoom climb so that they don't fight rather than hit and run all the time.
They also overheat below 640Km/h but you can have it at full throttle all the time above that.
No wonder 262 pilots don't bother to dogfight.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 11:15 PM
I also noticed that the Me-262 can fly with an engine on fire for about 15 mins with no problem. Engine fires on any other aircraft will last for about 15 seconds before the aircraft explodes. ISent jet fuel more volitile?

Gib

Christos_swc wrote:
- I wonder if your beloved P-80 will suck in the zoom
- climb as much as the 262 does.
- In case you haven't noticed Oleg made the 262 crap
- in the zoom climb so that they don't fight rather
- than hit and run all the time.
- They also overheat below 640Km/h but you can have it
- at full throttle all the time above that.
- No wonder 262 pilots don't bother to dogfight.
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All hail the ME-262 Fliegenm藕千chen!

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 11:21 PM
Me-262 definitely can't fly with fire for more than 10 seconds. If somehow you did not extiguish the fire you'll explode immediately. Problem is that even if you extinguisnh the fire there is a high risk of bursting in flames again.

Jet fuel is more oily and less volatile. It can stand higher compression. Kerosene is very close in structure with fuels powering diesel cars. It is also used for rockets in conjuction with liquid oxigen.



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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 11:53 PM
HOW CAN YOU CHEAT?

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09-23-2003, 11:55 PM
ALL NEWBS

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 12:13 AM
I see it online all the time. I even had it happen to me when I was doing some mud moving in the 262. I had my right engine hit and it was smoking and belching fire for 10 mins before it exploded on me. I also see it online a lot. I shoot a few .50's and light both engines on a 262 just to watch him contenue to fly around for a good 10 mins before exploding. The 262's engines last a VERY LONG time when its hit and belching black smoke also, with no loss in speed that I notice. From what I understand, once something brakes in a jet, it causes a chain reaction due to all the moving blades and tight tollerances. Causing a catastrofic failure from just 1 blade getting loose.



Huckebein_FW wrote:
- Me-262 definitely can't fly with fire for more than
- 10 seconds. If somehow you did not extiguish the
- fire you'll explode immediately. Problem is that
- even if you extinguisnh the fire there is a high
- risk of bursting in flames again.
-
- Jet fuel is more oily and less volatile. It can
- stand higher compression. Kerosene is very close in
- structure with fuels powering diesel cars. It is
- also used for rockets in conjuction with liquid
- oxigen.
-
-
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All hail the ME-262 Fliegenm藕千chen!

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 12:23 AM
I have quite an experience flying 262 Gib. A smoked engine, as long as you shut it down and keep the speed blow 500kmh, won't burst in flames again in 75% of the cases, unless you nose down the plane or accelerate. Problem is that at approach it is almost certain that it will flame again, most probably followed by explosion. If the engine is on fire it won't take more than 10-15 seconds before exploding. So do not confuse the smoking engine with that on fire.

If you think you can survive for more than 10-15 seconds with engine on fire show us the track.


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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 12:26 AM
If you killed the engine, shouldn't that kill fuel flow. and there fore kill the fire? if my engine is it and burns, I'll generally swing back to base and shut down the wrecked engine. Then dropping the good engine to 80% I'll generally recover safely. Does the seems closer to reality?

EDIT - Huckebein_FW, I'll get you a track of my maneuvers following engine fire. I'll post it even if I fail and crash.

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 12:38 AM
Generaly dropping the speed below 500kmh in a climb will stop the fire, but the risk to flame again at approach is very big.

Fire can start over and over again if it has enough oxygen supply and and some aluminium part is on fire. Aluminium fire is very very hard to kill. On the other hand fire on approach is most likely an exageration.


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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 12:51 AM
hehe that was a fun game gibbage, i got 12 me262s taking off just going airborn one run.

But I was in a p40 and got vulched 4 times in a row by 262s lucky the tanks got them and revenge is certainly sweet!


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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 12:52 AM
have you 2 agreed when to fight yet?

I thought it would be a good opportunity to open a virtual book.....

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 01:06 AM
bazzaah2 wrote:
- have you 2 agreed when to fight yet?

- I thought it would be a good opportunity to open a virtual book.


No, unfortunatelly. I mentioned my conditions: no mountains, basic online summer map, fighting in the same plane and padlock on. And it's strictly 1vs1.

If someone with whom I had disputes (noisy maybe) in the past wishes to settle them in this amiable way I'm ready for it/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 01:09 AM
Thats right LS, you were with me! The P-40 has some outstanding firepower! A LOT more then the P-47. I was nailing them with 37MM shells left and right. Great fun. it seems like the more we vulched them, the more Me-262's we had to vulch! They started off with just 2 Me-262's on there team of 6-7. I vulched 1 and he complained and I said "Pick something else and I will LET you take off". The next think I know, everyone on that team was in 262's!! Thats about the time you came in. Great fun. I never do vulch props unless its a I-153. I hate those little buggers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Gib

All hail the ME-262 Fliegenm藕千chen!

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 01:12 AM
Usually those vulching contests against 262 finish badly. 262 is the master vulcher, nothing takes off if it is near an airfield.


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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 01:12 AM
that's a shame - was looking forward to opening some bets that I would never, ever pay out on! I'll keep 'em peeled for a venue...



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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 01:21 AM
Not true. 262 has a flaw. Long turn time. I just wait till he is done making his pass. By the time he turns around and sets up, im up and away. Most 262 vulchers are going way to fast. When I see them dive, I do a quick 180 turn and throw off there strike. I typically dont get hit unless im disctracted by someone in my crosshairs, or doing a head on pass. I think you got me with a head on pass Huck. Those 4 Mk-108's put of a field of fire near impossible to get through.

On the other hand, Me-262's are ez to vulch. From above, they have a rather large area to hit. It also takes them a LONG time to start the engines and spool up. Even if they get off the ground, there is still some time to dive down and get them before they get enough speed to run away.

When im online, the only good 262, is one on the ground. If they get up and get to speed, its near impossible to do anything about them, unless they are noobies trying to turn fight a I-153. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I have seen that a few times.

Gib

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 01:50 AM
Gibbage1 wrote:
If they get up and get to speed, its near
- impossible to do anything about them, unless they
- are noobies trying to turn fight a I-153. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I
- have seen that a few times.
-

hehe lol those are the best 262's to see. Always slow, generally always blacked out and generally always on fire in a very short time. a Good jet driver knows speed is his best friend, And alt, but that generally comes a bit after. Getting good speed is number 1 thing, especially at a field under fire. As once away you can trade a litle off for a good steady climb.

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