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TheGhostFiles
02-12-2004, 04:20 AM
I said it before, and I'll say it again.

FB needs the following, being that Oleg wants REALISM:

1) Smoking Guns (Wing Canons and Machine Guns)
2) Tracer Smoke (light) for US/Allied Aircraft
3) PUFFS of Smoke (Black and White) when aircraft takes a hit (not just the current flashes of sparks)
4) Less smoke on engine startup
5) Initial Flames from exhaust on engine startup
6) Slower fading water hits (The ground hits are very nice) Just like my CFS3 water hits.

This is my wish list. Thanks for your consideration.

Gp

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TheGhostFiles
02-12-2004, 04:20 AM
I said it before, and I'll say it again.

FB needs the following, being that Oleg wants REALISM:

1) Smoking Guns (Wing Canons and Machine Guns)
2) Tracer Smoke (light) for US/Allied Aircraft
3) PUFFS of Smoke (Black and White) when aircraft takes a hit (not just the current flashes of sparks)
4) Less smoke on engine startup
5) Initial Flames from exhaust on engine startup
6) Slower fading water hits (The ground hits are very nice) Just like my CFS3 water hits.

This is my wish list. Thanks for your consideration.

Gp

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cmndrbob
02-12-2004, 04:23 PM
Good to see your name gp. You, Nanni and Nibbio really added alot to CFS2 for me. Hope you enjoying FB.

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VW-IceFire
02-12-2004, 04:26 PM
All of those sound like good ideas. More smoking guns (they must get hot with the rapid fire!) and less muzzle flash. I think the overall impact of firing guns (because we do want it to look cool too!) would be there but it'd have a more realistic flare to it...

As far as Tracer smoke goes for US/Allied aircraft...would that be only on some of the tracers? Otherwise I bet we wouldn't see the target for all the smoke...were there really that many tracers per second of firetime?

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TheGhostFiles
02-13-2004, 04:47 AM
IceFire - If you watch GUN CAM Footage from US aircraft, you will see both Tracer Fire, and Tracer Smoke, although not nearly as heavy as the German Round. US 50cal appear as a fine smoke, but the tracers can be seen up to about 1200 yards, all the way to the aircraft they are hosing down. Therefore, when hosing down the enemy, P-51 pilots would not use their gunsight, but raher they would find their range by watching their tracers. (Reference - Live US Pilot Interviews)

The Smoke was fine and deminished quickly, but it was noticeable.

P-47's - A little different -

QUOTE/STORY: During a mission to Villaorba, Capt. Green, CO of the 317th FS destroyed 6 E/A. 4 Ju-52 Transports, in one pass, a Bf 109 fighter in a tree- top chase and a Do-217 bomber. Green was flying Capt. Buzz Hearns' P-47 instead of his assigned Jug that was in for maintenance. Green was unaware that Hearns A/C was loaded with 800 rounds per gun versus the usual Group practice of 400 rounds - Capt. Green broke off any further engagement when he began to see "tracer" fire from his guns which was a Group signal for "down to 50 rounds per gun" or his tally for the mission may have been even higher. Green and his flight were credited with 15 E/A destroyed and the 325th FG total was 38 destroyed and 6 damaged E/A for the Jan. 30, 1944 mission.

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1.JaVA_Razer
02-13-2004, 02:55 PM
Quote :"FB needs the following, being that Oleg wants REALISM:

1) Smoking Guns (Wing Canons and Machine Guns)
2) Tracer Smoke (light) for US/Allied Aircraft
3) PUFFS of Smoke (Black and White) when aircraft takes a hit (not just the current flashes of sparks)
4) Less smoke on engine startup
5) Initial Flames from exhaust on engine startup
6) Slower fading water hits (The ground hits are very nice) Just like my CFS3 water hits.
"End Quote

-I think smoking guns just can't happen because of the speed you are flying with. smoke would be generated but in a fight(thats when you normally fire) you go rather quick(I hope for you ) so I don't think you'll see a lot of smoke
-Tracer,Couldn't agree more
-I think I already saw planes get hit and spuw a bit of smoke
-Less smoke... I have no clue,I never saw a warbard with stock engine start before so...
-Flames: PLEASE OLEG YES!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
- Water: as long as it's an on-off option because I want to keep current effect. those effect you suggest would ruin my systems performance so a seperate feature http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jippo01
02-13-2004, 03:55 PM
Guns do make smoke puffs when fired as do exploding cannon shots, better crank up the detail in options.


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JG7_Rall
02-13-2004, 04:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>-I think smoking guns just can't happen because of the speed you are flying with. smoke would be generated but in a fight(thats when you normally fire) you go rather quick(I hope for you ) so I don't think you'll see a lot of smoke<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually the smoke on the guns is quite apparent-it created a cloud almost around the guns that where firing...I've seen it on guncam footage before..I'll look around for it.

JG7_Rall
02-13-2004, 04:22 PM
Here's the footage:

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/P47groundattack.avi

notice that

1)Tracers are YELLOW
2)Tracers are MUCH thicker than the wimpy .50's we have in the game
3)A LOT of smoke coming off wings
4)Smoke coming off the tracers themselves


Also, here's another track of A2A combat..notice the smoke that comes off from .50 cal hits:

http://home.comcast.net/~nate.r/P51vsBf109.avi

VW-IceFire
02-13-2004, 04:53 PM
Impressive videos...thanks for posting. Are there more?

Thats not just a bit of smoke coming off the guns...thats a whole heck of alot of smoke. Which is not surprising...the A-10 videos I've seen have alot of smoke dropping away from the 30mm cannon it packs when its fired.

What is interesting is that what we have in FB is VERY close but it'd be nice if it were a tad bit closer. You're right on a bunch of things. The tracers are yellow...not red...why are ours red? The tracers are much thicker...they don't seem to come off quite as quickly as ours do although that may be the film speed and they definately have subtle trails to them although the sheer brightness of the tracer makes things much easier to aim than what we have (which HAS been improved with 1.21 but its still not quite where it should probably be).

This seems like a relatively simple fix (bigger, yellow tracers - smoke sounds great but likely something for the new BoB engine)...although I really have no idea how the engine works. It'd be great if we can add these extra elements to the game to boost the accuracy on the Western front if we can. How about it?

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hobnail
02-13-2004, 06:50 PM
Unfortunately for all these well-meaning "fix this in FB" threds, improvements will show up in 1C:BoB.

They're useful for BoB design but I wouldn't be holding out for engine feature additions at this stage of the product cycle.

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VW-IceFire
02-13-2004, 08:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hobnail:
Unfortunately for all these well-meaning "fix this in FB" threds, improvements will show up in 1C:BoB.

They're useful for BoB design but I wouldn't be holding out for engine feature _additions_ at this stage of the product cycle.

http://www.jg11.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Its not particularly an addition as rather a modification. There are already smoke trails and bigger yellow tracers we've already seen. So its nothing new...its just a modification on the current system.

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ucanfly
02-13-2004, 09:37 PM
Ghost Pony dude. Loved your mods to WWII fighters (never got CFS)! I agree with your 50 cal tracer comments. The tracers could be more useful in the 50 cals. Just look at how much easier it is to adjust fire using the Hurri cannons!

VVS-Manuc
02-14-2004, 04:27 AM
Why smoke? In FB we have gigantic muzzle flashes...much better than just smoke http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

VW-IceFire
02-14-2004, 08:25 AM
I'm more interested in the tracer smoke and yellow tracers than the firing smoke from the guns... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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TheGhostFiles
02-14-2004, 10:38 AM
Nice videos!

I think the US used red tracers, not yellow. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Gp

PapaSmurf630
02-14-2004, 08:04 PM
Nice videos. Just a mad wish but would be kinda cool (I suppose) would be recocheting (Badly spelt) bullets off runways or concrete buildings. Saw a video of a raid the british were doing in Iraq and someone was unleashing with a machine gun, this was at night by the way, and you could see the tracers bouncing off the ground.

I didnt realise this would happen in an aerial situation but after seeing that ground attack video...

One more thing, I suppose now Im just nit picking, when the tails are shot off in this game, the whole tail falls apart...Can we make it so the elevators, rudder etc etc actually stay together so the whole aircraft sperates in 'two' peices and falls to the ground like that...

One more thing, can we have some more of them delicious blue berry muffins in the pilot lounge?

Menthol_moose
02-14-2004, 08:15 PM
one thing id like to see and is clear in that footage is tracer bullets bouncing back off the target (ground ones) into the air.

http://simpsons.metropoliglobal.com/fotogramas/2f13/09.jpg

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VW-IceFire
02-14-2004, 08:37 PM
I think the official response about that was that the visual impact would be minor compaired to the strains put onto the physics engine and thus the speed of the game.

Next game I hope so (I keep saying that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)!

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