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kamaradskii
01-20-2004, 01:33 PM
I'm definitely new to this game so sorry for all the basic questions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

- Are there any web pages that discuss tactics, strategies for the different planes? The manual does not really discuss tips and tricks, tactics etc...

- I have played Flanker and I am comfortable in 1 vs many AI gunzo in it but its another story in FB: I have problems shooting down a single bomber and end up killed in cockpit (!) or my engine is damaged. It is so difficult to keep steady aim in FB! My plane keeps rocking up and down when I aim, I never can focus steadily on the target but the AI gunner seems to find it easy to target me! I usually approach the bomber around 400 kmph at which all fighters have a tendency to pitch upward and I have to compensate with the joystick. Its very difficult to aim and struggle with your aircraft at the same time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Now I've tried occupying the rear gunner's seat in a bomber but it is not easy at all to aim at a speeding fighter behind you.
I have observed AI wingmans dispatch enemy bombers during the head on pass using the machine gun alone and it seemed so easy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
I have no rudder pedals and almost dont use rudder. Should I get rudder pedals?

- Views are very limited, most of all, when you are leading in a turn or attacking from above.

I wanna hear about your techniques http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Thanks

kamaradskii
01-20-2004, 01:33 PM
I'm definitely new to this game so sorry for all the basic questions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

- Are there any web pages that discuss tactics, strategies for the different planes? The manual does not really discuss tips and tricks, tactics etc...

- I have played Flanker and I am comfortable in 1 vs many AI gunzo in it but its another story in FB: I have problems shooting down a single bomber and end up killed in cockpit (!) or my engine is damaged. It is so difficult to keep steady aim in FB! My plane keeps rocking up and down when I aim, I never can focus steadily on the target but the AI gunner seems to find it easy to target me! I usually approach the bomber around 400 kmph at which all fighters have a tendency to pitch upward and I have to compensate with the joystick. Its very difficult to aim and struggle with your aircraft at the same time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Now I've tried occupying the rear gunner's seat in a bomber but it is not easy at all to aim at a speeding fighter behind you.
I have observed AI wingmans dispatch enemy bombers during the head on pass using the machine gun alone and it seemed so easy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
I have no rudder pedals and almost dont use rudder. Should I get rudder pedals?

- Views are very limited, most of all, when you are leading in a turn or attacking from above.

I wanna hear about your techniques http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Thanks

VMF513_Wolf
01-20-2004, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kamaradskii:
I'm definitely new to this game so sorry for all the basic questions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

- Are there any web pages that discuss tactics, strategies for the different planes? The manual does not really discuss tips and tricks, tactics etc...

- I have played Flanker and I am comfortable in 1 vs many AI gunzo in it but its another story in FB: I have problems shooting down a single bomber and end up killed in cockpit (!) or my engine is damaged. It is so difficult to keep steady aim in FB! My plane keeps rocking up and down when I aim, I never can focus steadily on the target but the AI gunner seems to find it easy to target me! I usually approach the bomber around 400 kmph at which all fighters have a tendency to pitch upward and I have to compensate with the joystick. Its very difficult to aim and struggle with your aircraft at the same time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Now I've tried occupying the rear gunner's seat in a bomber but it is not easy at all to aim at a speeding fighter behind you.
I have observed AI wingmans dispatch enemy bombers during the head on pass using the machine gun alone and it seemed so easy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
I have no rudder pedals and almost dont use rudder. Should I get rudder pedals?

- Views are very limited, most of all, when you are leading in a turn or attacking from above.

I wanna hear about your techniques http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Thanks<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

rudder pedals??!!?!?!? lol u need rudder but rurrepedals?!!! only if u'r PC game geek..lol just set ruder controls to your joystick... visit GOOD sitehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (http://www.mudmovers.com) and welcome http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
01-20-2004, 01:38 PM
Yes, the notorious AI gunners. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

To practice gunnery, set AI enemy bomber payload to EMPTY. Then you can practice your shooting and the bombers don't shoot back. Also, you are most vulnerable coming attacking from rear. You may wish to practice attacking from other directions. Others here can provide more advice on that then I can.

In a real mission, if possible, especially if you use FMB, set bomber skill level ot Rookie and that helps tone down the AI gunner skill level. But that also hurts the bomber's bombing skill though.

-- me, I can't bear to shoot at a friendly bomber, so to practice set enemy bomber to Empty.

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LilHorse
01-20-2004, 01:44 PM
I say absolutely get rudder pedals! It will help in co-ordinating your a/c and help with your gunnery. Twisty sticks suck. If you're gonna go for full real (oh, sorry for all you folks who just can't stand that term, I mean "full difficult" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) then you may as well make the investment.

AirBot
01-20-2004, 01:54 PM
Also, use trim to relieve control pressure. That should make it much easier for you to aim.

TX-Zen
01-20-2004, 02:26 PM
I recommend head on attacks against bombers if possible.

The hard part is getting lined up with them, it takes longer to complete an attack cycle but the payoff is good...the B17 can be brought down by direct fire into the cockpit front even with a D9's guns. There isn't much armor there since it's mostly glass and there are only two gun positions that can fire depending on if you come in high or low.

The easier attack is from above and behind, but you must come in really fast (750+kph) to avoid being shredded by defensive MG fire. Even then it's not easy, but with practice you can get used to high speed attacks like that.

Some folks barrel roll to the bomber on their way in, it tends to help minimize MG hits on your approach.


Trim is essential for good marksmanship (good point Airbot).

Rudder pedals are a blast and really help with gunnery for me, but reduce my overall stall control of the plane. I am probably just too used to twist rudder control in the joystick, but I really like the feeling of pedals.

Rudder control is far more important in a prop sim than a jet sim, it can help increase your turn rate, aim your cannons, spoof the bandit on your 6 and is essential for spin/stall recovery.

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F19_Olli72
01-20-2004, 02:38 PM
If your ready to try online flying I recommend you look thru ob_swe's (NO)O.b's Help to online flying thread. Theres some good pointers there. Good luck

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=98710634&r=89710634#89710634

Chuck_Older
01-20-2004, 02:38 PM
Also, you'll find it hard to take off and land without rudder inputs, on many of these aircraft. Rudder and elevator trim are key. Some folks really dislike adjusting trim and I can't understand this, that's what the trim is for. Anyway, the rocking up and down is maddening. So is constantly trying to twist a joystick in an awkward position while trying to keep your nose up when close to the ground. Eliminate this problem by getting a HOTAS controller. I really really like my Saitek X45. I know some folks hate it, but I think it's a big help to flying FB. There is a rudder 'rocker' lever on the bottom of the throttle that works great, and there are many buttons, switches, and dials on the stick, it even has a small joystick on the throttle which I am trying to learn to use for elevator trim. I'll get used to it soon, I hope http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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kamaradskii
01-20-2004, 03:05 PM
Thanks everyone, this game rocks!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Is there a counterstrike style Spectator option during online play? I think I can learn a lot from observing the others.

F19_Olli72
01-20-2004, 03:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kamaradskii:
Thanks everyone, this game rocks!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Is there a counterstrike style Spectator option during online play? I think I can learn a lot from observing the others.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Depends, some server settings allow this(though there isnt a viewoption from inside someone elses cockpit), some doesnt. But the great thing is you can record a track during your online session, and after you disconnect you can watch it in peace & quiet. I do that all the time, analyzing tracks is a great way to learn (and fun too). And of course watch the other players moves too. Youll learn a lot by doing this. Sometimes, although not often, ppl will post tracks here for download. You might wanna check this thread:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=128105721