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HART_dreyer
07-18-2004, 02:17 AM
Wow! What an absolutely amazing bird! Flying the 2xShvak version is a true pleasure. I don't understand how the LW had such an advantage early in the war when the MiG-3 2xShvak is pretty much on par with the F2/F4 and really out-performs the Emil.

Flew in the GreaterGreen (great server) server just a while ago where BF-109's were even escorting HE-111's making it a real challenge. Most fun I've had in quite some time.

Anyway that bird is pretty awesome in its time period! Here are two tracks:

http://www.dreyermachine.com/il2/ntrk/dreyer_MiG-3_shvak_1.ntrk

http://www.dreyermachine.com/il2/ntrk/dreyer_MiG-3_shvak_2.ntrk

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HART_dreyer
07-18-2004, 02:17 AM
Wow! What an absolutely amazing bird! Flying the 2xShvak version is a true pleasure. I don't understand how the LW had such an advantage early in the war when the MiG-3 2xShvak is pretty much on par with the F2/F4 and really out-performs the Emil.

Flew in the GreaterGreen (great server) server just a while ago where BF-109's were even escorting HE-111's making it a real challenge. Most fun I've had in quite some time.

Anyway that bird is pretty awesome in its time period! Here are two tracks:

http://www.dreyermachine.com/il2/ntrk/dreyer_MiG-3_shvak_1.ntrk

http://www.dreyermachine.com/il2/ntrk/dreyer_MiG-3_shvak_2.ntrk

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woofiedog
07-18-2004, 02:48 AM
My type of aircraft http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Just leave the Smokes and Lighters out side the plane though.
The Mig is better at altitude than most of the Russian Stall Mates of it's time... and has fairly good pick up and speed.
Ammo includes Rockets, Gun Pac's and Cannon depending on the Model... Enough to make most aircraft into a Flaming Hulk.
One thing though... Mig's doen't like being hit by anything. Their a little touchy about Fire. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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HART_dreyer
07-18-2004, 02:54 AM
I've heard this but have not experienced this as of yet. The 2xshvak is quite powerful but I'm having some aim trouble with its flat trajectory.

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LEXX_Luthor
07-18-2004, 03:01 AM
Worlds largest, and only, MiG~3 website ---> http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/


MiG pilot interview http://www.sovietwarplanes.com/Rybalko.htm

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Vipez-
07-18-2004, 03:39 AM
Well flown Mig-3 wipes the *** of well flown 109 F-4 in this game... all you need is patience to fly above 5000 and the f-4 never catches you.. though he has ability to dive away if in trouble at any time...

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HART_dreyer
07-18-2004, 03:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vipez-:
Well flown Mig-3 wipes the *** of well flown 109 F-4 in this game... all you need is patience to fly above 5000 and the f-4 never catches you.. though he has ability to dive away if in trouble at any time...
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That's not true, the F4 is on equal ground to the MiG, if not better.

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HART_dreyer
07-18-2004, 03:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
MiG pilot interview http://www.sovietwarplanes.com/Rybalko.htm
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Thanks a lot for those links my friend!

I guess that interview goes to show that you don't need a lot of kills to be a true ace. I know I would value having lost no escortee's more than scoring hundreds of victories.

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ImpStarDuece
07-18-2004, 03:56 AM
The Mig 3 is a great bird. Excellent roll and turn at high alt. Very rast and relatively manouverable.

Problems occur if you try to get into a turning fight with it. Either that or if you catch it below 3-4000m.

Foward view is among the best in the game as well. weapon set up in the earlier models is a bit light and the mg pods do degrade performance.

Ive been fooling around with this bird, running it against Jugs in QMB. When flying above 4000 i can wipe the sky clean of 4 veteran pilots by myself, 4 aces with a wing man! Tried flying the Jug against it and was getting shot down pretty regularly, about 1:1 Khttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ratio.

wonder why its not a more popular bird, unlike the Yaks and Las?

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F19_Ob
07-18-2004, 03:56 AM
Yes mig3 was good and its only real problem was the engine wich just could quit in flight or combat, as I remember it...but general handling and armament...good.

Thnx for the link Lexx

Vipez-
07-18-2004, 04:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HART_dreyer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vipez-:
Well flown Mig-3 wipes the *** of well flown 109 F-4 in this game... all you need is patience to fly above 5000 and the f-4 never catches you.. though he has ability to dive away if in trouble at any time...
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That's not true, the F4 is on equal ground to the MiG, if not better.

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I said above 5000, mostly meaning above 6000 and F-4 never catches Mig3 Ud or Mig3 2xshvak... I remember the old times in VEF, when I flew F-4 and there was absolutely nothing my F-4 could do for well flown Mig3 UDs flying above 6000.. sure If I could lure them below 5000 the advantage was given to F-4. But if not, then F-4 was in trouble. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif


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HART_dreyer
07-18-2004, 04:10 AM
Yeah, you'll probably suffer quite a bit up high. But the F4 is far from a push-over. Pilot skill will make up for the difference easily.

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Atomic_Marten
07-18-2004, 06:18 AM
Try UD version my favourite MiG ver. It is equipped with two 12,7mm MG's=low recoil(the only thing why I put this ver. above ShVak ver.), hard punch, good firing rate, speed... what could possibly one want more from early WW2 fighter A/C?

p1ngu666
07-18-2004, 07:05 AM
it tobe a spitfire or a american/german plane for most ppl http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

mig not popular cos its only a early war plane.

but ill fly it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. i fly ANYTHING tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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HART_dreyer
07-18-2004, 08:46 AM
Only disadvantage with ShVak's is its fairly low rate of fire.

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CzechTexan
07-18-2004, 09:47 AM
an interesting footnote i learned in the book Soviet Air Force Fighter Colors by Pilawskii...

In the spring of 1941, Moscow tried to dissuade German plans for hostilities against the USSR by means of military intimidation by showing off their new MiG fighter. The German delegation was treated to a spectacular demonstration flight and included speed and altitude measurement calculations to drive home the MiG's performance. Tours of various airfields around Moscow were undertaken, all the while stressing that the MiG fighters were in widespread VVS service. The German General Staff was indeed impressed, and it was upon hearing of the MiG-3's perfomance that Hitler was said to have issued his famous invocation to attack at once.

Upon hearing that the VVS had a 645km/h fighter in service in large numbers, Hitler exclaimed to the assembled Generals: 'Well, you can see how far they have already progressed. We must begin [Operation Barbarossa] at once!'

...I just thought it was interesting that the MiG-3 encouraged Hitler to begin their surprise attack sooner.


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AdmiralWarlord
07-18-2004, 10:00 AM
I learned that many VVS planes were very good - however the pilots that flew them were poorly trained. This is one reason the Cold War perception came out that American and LW planes were much better.

Cloyd
07-18-2004, 10:52 AM
My 2 favorite MIGs:

Mig3 with 2 UBs. What a fantastic bomber interceptor. It excels above 5000m, and the UB laser cannons are deadly. Below 5000m it is dead meat.

The Mig3 AM38 is fantastic down low. Lots of power, but any well flown non-AI F4 should kick its butt. It sure is pretty ,tho.

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HART_dreyer
07-18-2004, 12:17 PM
Oh yeah it's sexy!

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Udidtoo
07-18-2004, 12:44 PM
One of the reasons its not as popular, at least IMHO is its offline qaulities. Offline missions almost never have a designated alltitude of over 3000 M.

Even when the paramiters call for high altitude bomber escort the engagements quickly decend to the deck where the Mig is just target practice.

You can fight to its strengths, unfortunatly, your AI mates will fly braindamaged just like always and you will see them slaughtered. That gets tiresome very quickly.

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LEXX_Luthor
07-18-2004, 01:17 PM
AI success depends on mission designer.

Yes the AI in a dogfight often don't fight to the strength of their plane, but the sheer raw speed defines the success of intercepting bombers either at all or before getting caught by escorting fighters. At high altitude the MiG easily catches bombers before it can be caught by early WAR enemy escort fighters. But taking advantage of this can be tricky to design into missions.

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Korolov
07-18-2004, 01:39 PM
Low VNE, weak structure, big compression problems. Dangerous to fly, but rewarding to master.

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WUAF_Badsight
07-18-2004, 10:21 PM
VERY good guns

& the UD has insane performance

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Mirtma
07-19-2004, 12:00 AM
Hm... When flying MIG I have one problem. It's very hard to pull up (from diving). Is it just me or is this Mig specific? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
07-19-2004, 12:47 AM
Mirtma:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Hm... When flying MIG I have one problem. It's very hard to pull up (from diving). Is it just me or is this Mig specific? :Blink: <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ah, you have noticed the same mid to high speed elevator heaviness that our Leading FM Experts thought only happens to Fb109.

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cro31
07-19-2004, 03:46 AM
the mig3 is a great airplane, but it is more difficult to fly than other planes.. it is less stable, and it is a little bit weak with high speed pull ups.. but on the other hand he conserves energy very well and it is so pretty http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif

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SUPERAEREO
07-19-2004, 04:50 AM
I kinda like the standard armament of the early models too: it is weak against bombers but 1 x UBS and 2 x Skhas in the nose can surely let off a lot of ammo very quickly. Get a 109 in your sights for a split second, hit it in the radiator/engine area and you have a smoker every time.

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HART_dreyer
07-19-2004, 05:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cro31:
the mig3 is a great airplane, but it is more difficult to fly than other planes.. it is less stable, and it is a little bit weak with high speed pull ups.. but on the other hand he conserves energy very well and it is so pretty http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif

we fly the mig3 am38 in aerobatic formation display since almost one year and we are very happy with it!
come on see our website: http://aerohighvoltage.free.fr<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is very cool! Don't happen to have any spots open? lol...

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GH_Klingstroem
07-19-2004, 05:27 AM
A GREAT site!!! thx Luthor!!!! I will be busy now for somke hours!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-19-2004, 05:43 AM
well the Mig3 brings back some good ol memories in the original Il2 days it was about the only thing i flew,considering i was still a n00b back then i did pretty well in it
its a good fighter in early plane sets and sure does own any Emil and i find it a good low alt dogfighter aswell
i have to say its about the only VVS plane i dont dislike and feels like a real airplane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Zayets
07-19-2004, 05:47 AM
I hate the engine sound.Sounds like a broken mill or something.It just sucks.Besides,if a non-fighter pilot like me can down pretty much Mig3's then they can't stand any chance confronted with a real fighterjock.It's sexy but all it needs is a bullet in the engine.Does not matter which caliber.It realy doesn't.

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HART_dreyer
07-19-2004, 05:54 AM
You won't have an easy time downing me in a MiG-3, I can assure you of that.

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Zayets
07-19-2004, 06:03 AM
Come behind my 110 and we'll talk later.God be with you if you end BEFORE my nose.
BTW,I never let the gunner on AI,they plainly suck.

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HART_dreyer
07-19-2004, 06:48 AM
You would never hit me using human gunner, believe you me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Zayets
07-19-2004, 06:53 AM
Hehe,once maybe we'll meet.I usually preffer GG,but I jump in any server if I feel like I fly online http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Atomic_Marten
07-19-2004, 07:57 AM
Here's my 5$ on dreyer.

tfu_iain1
07-19-2004, 10:09 AM
they have to really line up on the tail to get hit by human, or fly at roughly same speed.


course, once 3 people did just that. lol. my gunner had a good day that day.

hughlb2
07-19-2004, 10:21 AM
The Mig-3U is a great looking aircraft, all engine with the cockpit and tail clinging to the back. Yes it may sound like a popcorn machine but it certainly dosen't fly like onehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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