View Full Version : IL2 and the heritage of WW2

03-25-2004, 08:22 AM

03-25-2004, 08:22 AM
Does Forgotten battles give you the following exprience.

I have been thinking about this for along time and I was wondering how people saw this game in the context of their own lives and ideas about WW2 aircombat. Indeed about WW2 in general.

Thanks for taking your time to answer. I know the question is weak and the answers are one of many thousands possible.

Best wishes

03-25-2004, 09:02 AM
Psst: You forgot to specify the question!

As for my self, the game has taught me a lot (really, a _lot_) about air warfare in WWII. I thought I was an aircraft geek to start with, but I realize I knew next to nothing about the "forgotten battles" I am now slowly working my way through.

Fly friendly!

Petter Bøckman

03-25-2004, 09:13 AM
Fighting air battles. It gives you a very small idea about how a battle goes. But Im sure it is nothing compared to the real thing.

03-25-2004, 09:22 AM
erm sorry the question is does forgotten battles give you the following experience?

03-25-2004, 09:29 AM
Your view of WW2 should in no way be influenced by a game

Thats just how I feel


03-25-2004, 03:45 PM

I think the past is indeed use to inform us and shape our view about the war. Most of these games that go to that period exstol patriotism. As one can see from medal of honour and call of duty. So yes I think it tell us what to believe or shapes our ideas of what WW2 was about. This goes for il2 and othe other flight sims out there. It is also giving us a view on the present and how we see ourselves and what is important to us. The contant harping in the uk about ww2 is a point in case. Its the last time we did anything as a Great power.

03-25-2004, 03:54 PM
WWII was the defining moment of 20th Century History. Many areas of human endeavour saw their highest high, and lowest low during WWII.

Air combat, and particularly the Fighter Pilot, is the most glamorous and iconic image of the war.

From Pearl Harbor to the Battle of Britain to B-25s taking off from the Hornet, to the carrier battles in the Pacific, to dropping the atomic bomb, it captures the imagination, regardless of whether or not the events were good or bad. And the common thread of all those things is the airplane.

It seems universal. Taking the role of a pilot at the controls of these legendary machines is a boyhood (and maybe girlhood) fantasy all over the world.

I think this is also why prop sims are more popular than jet sims, but that's something else.

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03-25-2004, 05:16 PM

May be people have a special affection for the spitfire and its role in dark times.

Maybe we would transfer that to another plane like the tyhoon if the UK was in that situation again. I would it would almost be the case. Assuming we do not use atom bombs instead. I mean the film threads gives a horrific protrayal of what might happen.

Also why is it that boys want to fly prop planes what makes them do so. Who is pushing the marketing buttons in this area or is an interpreation of history, the present, and marketing that is combining to push the image of the spitire as the noble knight of the sky. Yes the spitfire ecaspulates the chilvary of the old Knight errant where he rode to battle on his trusty stead and gave all in the pursuit of loyalty and honour. Or is this so, well thats what we are fed with and I am interested in why people accept these notions.

03-25-2004, 10:20 PM
Your question was unclear...and the poll answers didnt help so i didnt even vote..... but to me IL2 has restoked a long love of aviation Ive had sincde i was a child. it was rekindled when I got into CFS but now it is a burning flame. I always did have a love of history and i think that like Chuck said..WW2 was THE moment of the 20th century........ and I am fascinated by the whole affair.

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03-25-2004, 10:54 PM
Like Bearcat, I have had a lifetime fascination of airplanes. After reading so much about them in libraries, one of the highlights of my youth was visiting Langley AFB across state, seeing a flight F-106's peel off for landing, and actually touching an F-15. These machines looked like predators to me, but it was hard to imagine how they really fought and manuevered in true combat.

Thanks to computers, everybody can experience what it really means to "dogfight", and see how aircraft actually fought/fight in terms of energy management and such. But from that point on for me, it's just a game. There is no other competition on a computer that comes close to dogfighting against other human opponents online, IMHO. What era it occurs in doesn't make a whole lot of difference to me in terms of historical content, but the WW2/Korea era represents for me the last pure aerial combat. The more I read about actual accounts of life for a WW2 fighter pilot, or just living in general during those times....man, we have a lot to be greatfull for. I'm thankful that the allies won, but a post at SimHQ about one guys Godfather put it in real perspective for me: "sit in 0 degree weather for 3 hours, then play your game, go back in 0 weather for 3 more hours, then land. Repeat everyday for 8 months, and maybe you can understand how it REALLY was."

03-25-2004, 10:58 PM
It's just a Good And Mindless Escapade.

A utility to escape into the past for brief periods of time.

A game bro.


03-25-2004, 11:05 PM
For me it hasn't changed or reshaped my views of WWII other than a greater sensitivity towards the honor and commitment of true soldiers on all sides. It has helped rekindle and sustain my appreciation for the cause of the Allies and justice in the cause of war.

When I play I'm well aware of the significance of my fantasy and feelings. I role play but its pure escape - a game/hobby.

03-26-2004, 01:03 AM
I fly FB for several reasons...

I like to fly
I like to fly WW2 aircraft
I like to wage war w/WW2 aircraft
I like to role play/pretend that Im taking part in WW2...the whole historic thing
FB is very pleasing to the eye

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