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Bender999
04-20-2004, 03:48 AM
Dear Oleg,
I've read that RAF used incendiary bullets in 1940, against German bombers

Could we have that ammo in next BOB sim?

Tnx
B.

Bender999
04-20-2004, 03:48 AM
Dear Oleg,
I've read that RAF used incendiary bullets in 1940, against German bombers

Could we have that ammo in next BOB sim?

Tnx
B.

clint-ruin
04-20-2004, 04:03 AM
It's already there as far as I know. .303, .30 and .50 cal ammo all have incendiary rounds modelled for all years of all aircraft that could mount the guns.

http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/leninkoba.jpg

VMF513_Sandman
04-20-2004, 04:28 AM
i have yet to ignite a vapor trail of gas with the 50 cals. there isnt any on the american planes or every fuel leak would turn into a bonfire in an instant

clint-ruin
04-20-2004, 04:35 AM
Browning .303
// APIT - AP - AP - APIT - API - API

API/APIT
mass = 0.010668491403778
speed = 835.0
power = 0.0018

AP
mass = 0.010668491403778
speed = 835.0
power = 0

Browning .50
// APIT - AP - HE - AP

APIT
mass = 0.0485
speed = 870.0
power = 0.002

AP
mass = 0.0485
speed = 870.0
power = 0

HE
mass = 0.0485
speed = 870.0
power = 0.00148


Don't confuse things that are supported by the DM with what rounds are modelled in the gunnery table.

http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/leninkoba.jpg

WUAF_Co_Hero
04-20-2004, 06:36 AM
I recall a very specific post about this some time in the past, wherein someone compared the 8 .50's of the P-47 hitting in covergance, to the power of an Mk108. It was mentioned at that time that incidiary .50's were NOT modeled. I'd have to hear from oleg exactally, but I'm nearly posotive that they are straight lead ATM.

Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a day...

Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life.

VeXX_Master
04-20-2004, 09:14 AM
*BUMP* please include incendiary rounds in game!

Blutarski2004
04-20-2004, 09:16 AM
The US introduced a range of different projectiles, including successive versions of API, over the period of the NWE air war. It's difficult to pin down exact introduction dates, but here is an interesting tidbit from the 4FG website:

QUOTE-
June 6, 1943 - The pilots wanted more high explosive ammunition after seeing what it could do to an aircraft, thinking it would give them more kills and less damaged claims.
- UNQUOTE

BLUTARSKI

kalo456
04-20-2004, 09:17 AM
I believe the incendiary .303 rounds were called "DeWilde" rounds. They were improved incendiary rounds used during BoB.

Kalo

Jippo01
04-20-2004, 10:09 AM
AFAIK DeWilde rounds were somewhat different from incendiary rounds. They were for spotting purposes with small explosive content weren't they?

About incendiary rounds. It was possible to ignite fuel vapour streams already in Il-2 (old), I'd be surprised if they had left that out in FB. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Remember that you have to hit with Incendiary where the leak is on the plane to ignite. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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PlaneEater
04-20-2004, 02:12 PM
They have HALF the ammo belt for the Browning .50 set up with AP?

That might explain, aside from the dispersion, why many people have trouble getting the .50s to *do* anything... half the rounds that DO hit just zip straight through.

HE rounds were also not that widely used because they had a tendancy to detonate against an aircraft's skin and not do a whole lot of damage. Sometimes they were used for ground strafing soft targets (and against unarmored Japanese fighters / bombers), but most of the time groups used API or APIT instead. Usually API, since you got reliable armor piercing and incendiary damage in one hit.

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From http://www.vought.com/heritage/special/html/symilitary.html, recounted by Marine Corps crew chief Bud Yinger:

"Other crews were kept busy belting ammunition. Belting the 50-caliber ammunition had to be arranged so that the rounds were in order-- tracer, armor piercing, incendiary."
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From http://www.cannon-lexington.com/Pages/Bob%20Capps.htm, recounted by CV-16 crew chief Lowell R. Capps:

"Our next learning adventure was how to belt 50 cal. ammo. There were four of us that sat around this belting machine that had a tray. One of us would put an armor piercing shell in the tray, another an incinderary and the other a tracer."
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