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1.JaVA_Razer
05-30-2004, 04:37 AM
I recently had a bad experience flying on-line.
As always in Uk dedicated with the pacific map,I fly the P 38 J model or P 51.

Now yesterday evening it got to far. I had this before and I was upset about it but this time it was to much.

I believe there where 8 vs 8 people playing so 16 people and all 6 blue's where Ki 84's and 2 zeros.

the red's where 4P 51's 2 P 38's and 2 P 47's.

Now what realy bugs me is them Ki 84's. Their guns are laser pinpoint accurate and hit my engine and flamed it from 600 away.(a frendly was shooting that guy down from 780 so... distance was realtivly high for the ki.)

So first of all I think them Ki's are wayly overmodeld(I don't like the word "Uber" or over"neither,as bewolf said last night but....)
They have almost NO spread in comparison to the .50 cal(not gonna start the 50 cal thing again but it's because ALL planes yesterday eve had them so...)

2nd THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO TEAMPLAY.

the P 47's where flying solo( A P47 AGINST A KI 84!!!!)
the il2's (there where some people who tried to torpedo the ships in the map) asked for escort once they got under fire(stupids)
and all the planes where scatterd. I complained about this and 1 guy of the red's joined me to team up,1!!!
MerlinMaker that was.

I had fun flying but I find the lack of teamplay disturbing. You see people starting engine taking off directly(not on the runway) and then just breacking quickly into a doghfight.

Instead of doing 1 circle to let other P 38's,P 51's or P 47's take off safely to.
No they don't do it.
I mean circle the base 1 time and cover them P 47's a bit will ya? I had fun after merlinmaker joined up with me but there is a serius need for teamplay.

if all the P 51's of yesterday would team up by 2(so 1 lead and 1 wing) and the pairs would fly together,they'd be unstoppable. No they rather breack off at any given seconds and leave other people to dry.

PLAY TOGETHER PEOPLE.
it only takes 1 minut more flying time, it gives you an edge,and will make your play a lot more fun

thx for hearing my rambling

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1.JaVA_Razer
05-30-2004, 04:37 AM
I recently had a bad experience flying on-line.
As always in Uk dedicated with the pacific map,I fly the P 38 J model or P 51.

Now yesterday evening it got to far. I had this before and I was upset about it but this time it was to much.

I believe there where 8 vs 8 people playing so 16 people and all 6 blue's where Ki 84's and 2 zeros.

the red's where 4P 51's 2 P 38's and 2 P 47's.

Now what realy bugs me is them Ki 84's. Their guns are laser pinpoint accurate and hit my engine and flamed it from 600 away.(a frendly was shooting that guy down from 780 so... distance was realtivly high for the ki.)

So first of all I think them Ki's are wayly overmodeld(I don't like the word "Uber" or over"neither,as bewolf said last night but....)
They have almost NO spread in comparison to the .50 cal(not gonna start the 50 cal thing again but it's because ALL planes yesterday eve had them so...)

2nd THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO TEAMPLAY.

the P 47's where flying solo( A P47 AGINST A KI 84!!!!)
the il2's (there where some people who tried to torpedo the ships in the map) asked for escort once they got under fire(stupids)
and all the planes where scatterd. I complained about this and 1 guy of the red's joined me to team up,1!!!
MerlinMaker that was.

I had fun flying but I find the lack of teamplay disturbing. You see people starting engine taking off directly(not on the runway) and then just breacking quickly into a doghfight.

Instead of doing 1 circle to let other P 38's,P 51's or P 47's take off safely to.
No they don't do it.
I mean circle the base 1 time and cover them P 47's a bit will ya? I had fun after merlinmaker joined up with me but there is a serius need for teamplay.

if all the P 51's of yesterday would team up by 2(so 1 lead and 1 wing) and the pairs would fly together,they'd be unstoppable. No they rather breack off at any given seconds and leave other people to dry.

PLAY TOGETHER PEOPLE.
it only takes 1 minut more flying time, it gives you an edge,and will make your play a lot more fun

thx for hearing my rambling

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Extreme_One
05-30-2004, 04:48 AM
Teamplay on a dogfight server? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

It sounds like a classic game of air-quake!

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SeaFireLIV
05-30-2004, 05:02 AM
Teamplay is an anathema to some people (children?) online. They appear to have no perception of it.

I go on Warclouds +44 a lot and it`s very difficult to get any one to teamwork (especially red). They seem quite happy to fly in single file and use up all 3 lives being shot down! They are like a fly continuously climbing up the pane, unable to figure out why they can`t get out till they die!

I`ll ask if any one wishes to go Teamspeak and I`ll get total silence? Are people embarassed to talk online, think they`ll sound like a girl? I`d even have a girl fight with me as long as she teamworked.

Anyway, i`ll say don`t worry about TS, anyone needs cover, etc? The usual SILENCE and RED get wasted by an efficient Team working LW. One guy on BLUE said, "Don`t bother with red for teamwork, join Blue!"

And of course when we start on a new map I always wait a bit while the ancient custom of smashing into eachother on takeoff commences, further reducing their 3 lives. The nice side effect of only 3 lives does mean you get rid of the `no-teamworkers ` pretty fast though. And sometimes the rest begin to wise up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ps. To be fair I have found a few US guys who teamwork good, Lightning, Scull, Exos. They`re not afraid to work together or go on TS. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif A pity we can`t get more.

pps. Extreme-one, I completed my long Russian Campaign and I`ve just started your BOB campaign proper. It`s good stuff, love the starting training missions.

LeadSpitter_
05-30-2004, 05:17 AM
try warclouds, virtualpilots or greatergreen, you will find teamplay in those servers

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1.JaVA_Razer
05-30-2004, 05:26 AM
Well i know about greatergreen and virtual pilots but I don't ALWAYS like full real servers
I like normal servers also where you can have externals(it's good for screenshots and letting go of steam for me)

I know on non-full real servers you often have air-quake types but...

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Xnomad
05-30-2004, 05:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
try warclouds, virtualpilots or greatergreen, you will find teamplay in those servers

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Although I enjoy Warclouds I find that it isn't very "team player" friendly sometimes I feel like renaming the server KillStealClouds, or BadSportsmanshipClouds as you get some real foul mouthed unfriendly players joining the server quite frequently. Of course this has nothing to do with the server or the host it's just plain bad luck that some people have to spoil it.

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SeaFireLIV
05-30-2004, 06:39 AM
Agreed, Xnomad. Warclouds is good, but you do get some bad apples, who, having used up their 3 lives and know they have about 3 seconds before they`re kicked have to say some insult or expletive before they go.

But a lot alos say gg and even salute!

Yum_Yum
05-30-2004, 06:47 AM
Hello http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif,

Irecognise some a name or 2 here!

I use UK-Dedicated (cockpit off) and war-clouds (cocpit on) frequently (as well as others).

I play alone 90% of the time because I prefer it that way. I share information whenever possible such as my location, or the area of enemy planes, and try to assist those who are asking for help.... but if they don't ask or don't say where they are ..I cannot help or assist them.
I think sharing information is as important as teamwork.

People are going to do what ever they are going to do in order to have thier fun, unfortunatley thier actions may appear to be un helpful if someone else wishes to play a different way, or needs cooperation to have fun.

I don't think things will change, but if we should see each other online I will accompany you (as long as I am in a Focke Wulf).

see you soon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PBNA-Boosher
05-30-2004, 07:55 AM
Unfortunately, since there's no effective death simulator other than the black screen, there's no incentive to work as a team. I try to use teamwork in every game I play. Online, coops, dogfights, even hopeless situations like in that unrealistic FPS, MOHAA. It'll never work out, people just want the kills for themselves.

Jieitai_Tsunami
05-30-2004, 08:11 AM
I'm trying to set up a squad because I feel people need to understand team work before they can do it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. In the army you do grilling, doing press ups and hard work to get some of the bad thing out of your mind. Thinking you are rambo or just to lazy too do any thing.

Some games I have been in have team work, such as Japanese side of pacific servers but it has been a long time since I have seen it done well..

There is also the problem of typing. If you say for example 'Sakai, whats your position?' The player called Sakai might not be able to reply because he is in a dog fight. Not because he does not want to talk. Another reason maybe the person's English is not good.

About the Ki84, it's not a Uber at all!! no aircraft are Ubers in this game! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. The sight reminds me of a FW109 and if you want to do deflection shooting you have to do it blind.

I do wish I could see team work on both sides. P47 vs A6m5 working as a teams would be great!

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IV|JG51Flatspin
05-30-2004, 09:04 AM
Have to agree with Extreme_One on this...you want teamplay in a dogfight - you better bring some of your squadmates. Even the scripted ones with deathkicks are not much more than moshpits.

But I'm struck by one of the things you said above: the il2's (there where some people who tried to torpedo the ships in the map) asked for escort once they got under fire(stupids)
So some folks did communicate and ask for a little teamplay and help and you didn't offer any - and now call them stupid...sounds to me like you don't care if there's teamwork, you just want everyone to do what you want them to.

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Weasel53
05-30-2004, 09:54 AM
Absolutely agree with you 1.JaVA_Razer! There is not much team coordination on the dogfight servers. However, in WarClouds, Greatergreen and some of the better servers, there is enough variety in the missions (i.e. ground targets and such) that you if you can get a couple of guys to talk to one another on TS you could waste the other side by reading and following the mission orders. I have to laugh when I see that one side has to destroy hangars or ground tgts and then they all go off to dogfight. I guess nobody reads anymore.

Tell you what, I fly warclouds, greatergreen and forgottenserver every now and then. They usually have something for everyone in them. If you are there and want to team up on TS, it would be my pleasure to join up with you and fly as a team. See you in the virtual war.

A130
05-30-2004, 10:20 AM
Even in the coops, teamwork can be sadly lacking. At least there, you can pick a slot that gives you an AI wingman. Not that that's always a good thing. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif And sometimes, someone's just having a bad day.

I recall a few weeks ago, I was flying a coop with Spits against 190's. After the merge, it degenerated into a typical melee. Everyone seemed latchede onto a 190 and I'm not a big supporter of over-the-shoulder shots so I circled high with my AI wingy and looked for something to break loose. I noticed one of the reds (a human player) at low alt with a 190 on his tail, lighting him up, and his engine was smoking. He had no partner. I sprayed the 190 with some MG fire to get it to disengage; it did. I stayed on it and downed it about 45 seconds later.

Usually I get a thanks for this. This time, the pilot in question said, "Thanks for the kill steal," or something similar. At first, I didn't believe it applied to me...I'd just saved his bacon, after all. Long story short, the pilot in question copped a bit of an attitude with me for a mission or two after that. I let it slide, he calmed down, and I believe we parted on civil, if not good, terms. If you ask me, he just wasn't having a good night.

Then you get the wrong kind of teamwork. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif One incident that REALLY sticks in my mind was when I was pouring some fire into a bomber from 400m or so. (I don't remember exactly what I was flying.) A bunch of clanners were on the same side. One came in from my six, cut me off in an effort to take the bomber (passing EXTREMELY close to my nose) and took a few hits before I ceased fire. He limped away to RTB. In the interests of sportsmanship I apologized profusely, even though that was pretty much his fault, not mine. A moment later, one of his buddies peeled off from his engagement (I watched him do this), rolled in as if he was going to form up with me, and proceeded to knock out my engine and put some holes in the rest of my plane. Annoying, but it got worse when they chute-shot me after bailing out. At least I couldn't accuse them of being points *****s. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif I found another server and went on to bigger and better things. It's just a game.

As for relying on fighter escorts when flying ground attack...well, for the most part, I don't. With the exception of a very few servers (and I'm talking coop here, not df, but I hear it's even worse over there), you're on your own. Fly low, fly fast, and stay with the other bombers...it gives the other team something else to shoot at.

Dawg-of-death
05-30-2004, 10:25 AM
Just clear your m8s six .... thats team work. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

BadM-F(Mongrel-Fighter)...... AKA Dawg-of-death

xTHRUDx
05-30-2004, 10:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dawg-of-death:
Just clear your m8s six .... thats team work. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

that about sums it up. oh ,and, READ THE BRIEF!

DeBaer.534
05-30-2004, 11:13 AM
well, i always try to help teammates being chased, and sometimes i tell them theyre smoking and so on, when they dont seem to notice it.
most likely my help turns out as catching the enemies attention myself and being shot up badly, limping home. but that way we dont lose a plane on the servers with plane limits as my mate and i survive. usually i get no answer, no thanks and nothing, but well, its enough to have done something for the team http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

one thing that makes me kinda angry are many people shooting chutes, i was bailing in enemy territory after some p39 tore my wing off my stuka. then this p39 (it needed 4 passes to destroy my stuka, so no good pilot) comes back and kills me and my gunner. that really annoys me, as its dishonorable, respectless and even a waste of ammo in my eyes.

1.JaVA_Razer
05-30-2004, 12:05 PM
Sure will weasel.

* Clear your teammate's 6.
Well I did, 2 or 3 times with MerlinMaker and he kept my six as safe as possible I had fun.

But you keep having pilots who see a doghfight and a pilot in destress and just keep flying!!!

I don't expect Doghfights to turn into VOW's or VEF's(which have EXELLENT TEAMPLAY)
but at least SOME teamplay is appreciated. I know some people share intel and so do I but intell alone won't suffice.

good thing that i got overworried yesterday and I took my P 38 up to 6500 meters to give myself an edge over the ki's(BnZ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )
But still...

I know this post'll change nothing because their where so many before me but I do hope people will at least try to teamplay!
On these boards there are teamplayers and solo's. I don't mind soloflyers but sometimes it's neccesairy.

And you have soloflyers and SOLO
the first is people who fly solo but help when needed and the 2nd are people who are so fixated on killing/ shooting that one guy down...

it gets pethetic

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VFS-22_SPaRX
05-30-2004, 01:01 PM
These threads always interest me. People are always complaining about how there is no teamwork on the servers and such. So i thought i might do something to help this on my servers. SO i put up a Teamspeak server for everyone to use while they are on the War Clouds servers. Honestly, i thought that the server would get flooded with people wanting to get on Teamspeak with each other, but alas, i have have yet to see it. We have about 15-20 regulars that join the TS server when they are flying. And when we are all on the TS server, we play as a team. I myself find it hard to call out map locations while i am trying to get a solution thru game chat. I dont want to take my hands off my stick and throttle and lose my advantage. I advertise the servers IPs and password every five minutes in game and it still amazes me that no one knows bout the server (if they dont see that, what makes me think they will see me calling out for help http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ). Have also got alot of squad players saying, "i am on comms, but my squads comms." Well that does not do alot of good to the other players that do not have access to your squads private comms. We get alot of squad members on the warclouds teamspeak server all the time, 310th, JV44 and many others. So i am opening an invitation to all, join up on the War Clouds Teamspeak server and give it a shot. It brings a whole new aspect to the sim.

Teamspeak IP: 67.18.111.250
password: warcloudsrox

The teamspeak IP has changed in the last two days, so for all those that have been using the server, please take note.

As for the bad apples playing on the server spouting off at the mouth. I am in the process of assembling an admin team right now. And believe me, we will NOT tolerate this on the server.

S~

SPaRX

Odranoel1
06-02-2004, 05:18 PM
Interesting thread! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I am a fan of team flying and always try this. Currently restricted to 1.22 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif so that reduces my options to some very lonely places I wont mention.

My experience of team flying is that it requires a lot of discipline, and that, unless you have an audio link, it turns into a disdvantage. Excerpts from a typical conversation with one person who posted above. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
A&gt; engaging
B&gt; rgr, will cover
B&gt; help
A&gt; coming
A&gt; where are u
B&gt; wsefhs
A&gt; ?
B&gt; i am iwod oihff
"B just got killed"
Bottom line: you're better off on your own, than trying to tell your wingman where you are and who's on your six. No teamspeak = no teamplay...
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stelr
06-02-2004, 07:49 PM
Bump! To SPaRX's post.

When flying online (not often enough), I fly Warclouds server exclusively for the very reason SPaRX mentions....the TS SERVER! Only on voice comms can you truly communicate effectively enough to coordinate a mission. I'v found that group of regulars that are on TS Warclouds server to be top-notch folks...and funny as hell. It really improves the gameplay as well as the "FUN" factor. If you fly online and don't use voice comms you are missing out on the most enjoyable part of the game IMHO.

Big S! to SPaRX for making the server available. Please take advantage guys!

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tttiger
06-02-2004, 08:49 PM
Now you're starting to understand why I stay out of DF arenas http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A squaddie (with whom I normally fly Coops) dragged me into one Monday, first time I was in a DF arena in over a year.

It was great fun while he was there are we were on voice coms. But once he left I stopped enjoying it. I finally got killed by a good bounce from a blue FW while a half dozen reds flew around me with their thumbs up their butts.

Enough. I saluted the guy who killed me, thanked the host and left.

Having someone clear your 6 is great.

But even more important is constantly improving the Situational Awareness of everyone on your side. Voice coms (limited just to your side, both sides on the same cons is pointless) aren't a must but they sure help. Some people are amazing at typing while they fly.

Some stuff that is easy to do but I've never seen done in DF arenas (I do these things in Coops all the time):

1. Contact Calls -- Remember BRA: Bearing (from a known point), Range, Altitude.

2. 6 calls: I never see anyone in a DF type tttiger 666 when they spot someone on me (assuming icons are on)

3. Form on me: Ever see anyone in a DF arena turn on their lights or their smoke to get a gaggle (if not an actual formation) together? I haven't. Happens all the times in Coops.

Nope, unless you're with squaddies, DFs are every man for himself. And that's why I argue they are pure arcade and totally unrealistic.

DF and teamwork are mutually contradictory.

Coop means cooperation.

You figure it out...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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IKP_Hawk
06-02-2004, 09:37 PM
I would like to emphasize the fact that historically, under no circumstance would a fighter sortie be undertaken by one a/c alone. Most fighter operations are conducted with no less than 4 fighter a/c all watching out for each other. Hosts, could you assign wingies as pilots enter your df room. Post it as such, and I will definitely fly your room. You have the power to make it more realistic. What are your thoughts? Ideas?

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Korolov
06-02-2004, 09:54 PM
I've always said that people expect too much from dogfight servers. Teamwork is non-exsistent on a DF server - the only rule is that you look out for yourself. It's difficult for most people to multitask and keep a eye on more than one situation at a time, hence why there is little to no teamwork on a dogfight server.

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repoman11
06-02-2004, 10:40 PM
I really wish I could use Teamspeak. But with a 28.8 connection, I'm lucky to be able to play at all. I've no bandwidth to spare for anything else.
And I'm a very poor typist with two hands, much less one!

F19_Orheim
06-03-2004, 01:36 AM
It really makes a HUGE difference with some backup. Teamspeak really helps out, it's really hard to warn your wingman about his 6 time with the keyboard, or call for help.... when calling for help you are usually to occupied with getting away that you don't have the time to sit and chat...

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karost
06-03-2004, 02:06 AM
Hi,
for me I like along hunting take Ta-152 fly over 6,000 m. scan any dot at same level and seek white dot below if I not see any dot at same level then drive with 800 km/h to the target.


seem red friends not care about friends alert for check 6 he still fly direct then I come closer closer 500,300,200,100,50 then Bang! with 30mm. mostly pilot dead.

if I miss from drive attack I not hold position to continue attack coz every one can see my fire light for a long distance and next 3 min. I will stay in a bad situation.


only good pilots in spitfire have good check his 6 (from mirror may be) , so I have to drive under him and pull up to Bang! him. and that's work


and a good p-47's pilot do his job good for take care air base over 5000 try to catch LW hunter from drive , that is my bad experience for me , then next time I will scan gards at 6000 first , if I saw him that is a primary target for me.

mosly I don't like to join hunt with my blue friends at forbar coz turing tactic is not LW style.

the batter pilots like to shoting a new pilots and surprise attack is the most successful hunting tactic for LW.

S!

[This message was edited by karost on Thu June 03 2004 at 01:52 AM.]

WTE_Ibis
06-03-2004, 02:42 AM
Well said and I agree. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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WOLFMondo
06-03-2004, 03:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
I've always said that people expect too much from dogfight servers. Teamwork is non-exsistent on a DF server - the only rule is that you look out for yourself. It's difficult for most people to multitask and keep a eye on more than one situation at a time, hence why there is little to no teamwork on a dogfight server.

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While I kind of agree in many cases, on some servers you get excellent team work going. More people need to use TS though (an not be afraid to talk!) as it makes a world of difference in any team game.

The thing that would help teamwork most though is getting rid of the individual scores. While there are stats for the individual and not the team, people will play as individuals.

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Im by no means the greatest pilot going but I'd happily take on a Ki84 in P47 1 on 1 but I'd rather do it with a wing man.

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F19_Olli72
06-03-2004, 04:57 AM
Theres a lot of ppl complaining about lack of teamwork...but sometimes they need to chill and think about it themselves.

After beeing offline since AEP release (GG was down cos no dedicated server and thats where i and my wingie flew on before). I think i had been on the server about 30 seconds just taking off when some dude on our team started to complain that noone covered him and that his team sucked and everyone were useless. Not the most fun way to start back online. Needless to say, that sort of attitude wont help to get you teamwork any faster. At least not from me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

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609IAP_Recon
06-03-2004, 05:04 AM
I limit myself to flying with my squad on dogfight servers.

Also, I fly Forgotten Skies. In Forgotten Skies, you are basically required to have comms for the missions. It's very team oriented. Its probably the most immersive missions I've ever flown - mostly because of the comms, the pre-strategy talk, etc....

I don't really expect people off the street on a df server to be flying with much teamwork. If it was that easy, training would not be needed.

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Diablo310th
06-03-2004, 08:19 AM
I fly WarClouds all the time from around 4pm till 1 am EST. Almost always there is a group of us on the server TS. I gurantee you that the group of us there are working as a team. More than once have we saved each others butt with good teamwork. Look for people like 310thGypsy, myself, Pepper, Mortifera, 310thGau and alot of others. Give a yell and work with us. Seafire...when r u on Warclouds???

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SeaFireLIV
06-03-2004, 08:26 AM
I`m under another name (Can you guess who- I seem to be the only Brit on whenever I join). I think I miss some of you guys cos of the time gap. I`ve bumped into Axos, scull, Lightning among a couple, nice thing is they`re always on TS and I feel a whole lot better with some communication. A lot of the time though I find myself alone on RED.

I usually pop on every couple of days and fly the Spitfire.