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Gwihair
03-26-2004, 03:03 PM
Good day to you all,

Is there any chance that we can get the yak1b with improved aerodynamics that was produced from late 1942, if I recall correctly ?

If I am not mistaken, it had a slightly more powerful engine, and a refined aerodynamics (a retractable tail wheel).

I think it would be a nice addition, and would fill a gap in the VVS planes. It was built until the end of the war. If I am not mistaken is was the most produced of all the Yak1b.

It was, for example, the plane flown by the Normandie-Niemen : you can see on each and every picture of their Yaks that the tail wheel is retracted in flight.

You have very few things to change to the 3D external modelling, and nothing is different in the cockpit. A little adjustement from the regular 1942 Yak1b may not be that difficult, and it would show that VVS planes are still interesting your team.

Thanks for your attention.

Gwihair
03-26-2004, 03:03 PM
Good day to you all,

Is there any chance that we can get the yak1b with improved aerodynamics that was produced from late 1942, if I recall correctly ?

If I am not mistaken, it had a slightly more powerful engine, and a refined aerodynamics (a retractable tail wheel).

I think it would be a nice addition, and would fill a gap in the VVS planes. It was built until the end of the war. If I am not mistaken is was the most produced of all the Yak1b.

It was, for example, the plane flown by the Normandie-Niemen : you can see on each and every picture of their Yaks that the tail wheel is retracted in flight.

You have very few things to change to the 3D external modelling, and nothing is different in the cockpit. A little adjustement from the regular 1942 Yak1b may not be that difficult, and it would show that VVS planes are still interesting your team.

Thanks for your attention.

jagdmailer
03-26-2004, 04:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gwihair:
Good day to you all,

Is there any chance that we can get the yak1b with improved aerodynamics that was produced from late 1942, if I recall correctly ?

If I am not mistaken, it had a slightly more powerful engine, and a refined aerodynamics (a retractable tail wheel).

I think it would be a nice addition, and would fill a gap in the VVS planes. It was built until the end of the war. If I am not mistaken is was the most produced of all the Yak1b.

It was, for example, the plane flown by the Normandie-Niemen : you can see on each and every picture of their Yaks that the tail wheel is retracted in flight.

You have very few things to change to the 3D external modelling, and nothing is different in the cockpit. A little adjustement from the regular 1942 Yak1b may not be that difficult, and it would show that VVS planes are still interesting your team.

Thanks for your attention.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gwihair,

Not sure if you saw that list, but this appears to be a semi-official list of new airplanes in the shortly coming up patch to AEP add-on:

Flyable:
FW-190A-6
Spitfire H.P.Mk.IXE
Spitfire LF.Mk.IXC
Spitfire LF.Mk.IXE
I-185M-71
I-185M-82
I-185M-90
Yak-7A
Yak-9B
Yak-9M
Yak-3P
Yak-9UT
LaGG-3 29 series
LaGG-3 35 series

AI:
B-25C-25
B-25H-1
B-25G-1
B-25J-1

No Yak1-B, but plenty of Yaks and Laggs and Soviet A/C for that matter!

JagdMailer

crazyivan1970
03-26-2004, 04:52 PM
I thought Yak-1b was already in the game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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VW-IceFire
03-26-2004, 05:10 PM
The Yak1b with improved aerodynamics is already in the game. If you consider the changes made from 1 to 1b improved.

There's the Yak-1M which had some more redesign that from what I can tell lead into the design of the Yak-3. Perhaps thats what your thinking of?

http://www.aviation.ru/Yak/

I looked into all the Yak's on the list...wowee...lots of new interesting additions to the lineup. The Yak-9M seems like a precusor the Yak-9U and the Yak-9UT mounts 1x37mm cannon and 2x syncronized B-20 20mm cannons. Serious firepower. The Eastern Front will be heating up again...just as the Western Front is also with the Spitfire IX and the B-25. Can't wait for the pinnacle of British fighter design to show up...then we'll breally be in business!

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Kurfurst__
03-26-2004, 05:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:

Thanks for your attention.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gwihair,

Not sure if you saw that list, but this appears to be a semi-official list of new airplanes in the shortly coming up patch to AEP add-on:
...
Flyable:

Spitfire H.P.Mk.IXE
Spitfire LF.Mk.IXC
Spitfire LF.Mk.IXE
..
JagdMailer[/QUOTE]

I wonder why they don`t model the Spitfire F. IXC with Merlin 61.. that was the first Mk IX, and basically the only one in 1942. The ones we get all appeared in 1943..

LEXX_Luthor
03-26-2004, 05:51 PM
Wow! Impressive list http://www.boardy.de/images/smilies/ylflower.gif Far more than I expected.

Found info on all new Patched Yaks here...

---&gt; http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avyak1.html#m3

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The "Yak-9B", where "B" stood for "Bombardirovschik / Fighter-Bomber", was an interesting attack aircraft that first flew in early 1944. This machine stored four 100 kilogram (220 pound) FAB 100 bombs or four clusters of two kilogram (4.4 pound) PTAB hollow-charge anti-armor bomblets, stored near-vertically in the fuselage behind the pilot's seat in a 2x2 arrangement.

The Yak-9B was put into limited production and combat evaluation. It was used as a precision-strike weapon to attack heavily-defended targets, but did not prove successful enough to be put into wide-scale production. Loading the bombs was a nuisance for armorers; the machine was so heavily laden as to be a danger to get off the ground; and the pilot had no bombsight. The VVS report back to the factory concluded: "Pilots did not want to fly the aircraft. The Chief Designer must redesign the aeroplane." That was effectively the end of the matter.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Makes sense, like P~51 is often compared to Yak~9, and neither are famous for their bombing.

They say 3P has 3 B20 cannon (two in wings) but I saw another source which gave it an extra pair of UBS beyond the B20. mmmm


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Gunner_361st
03-26-2004, 05:55 PM
I wish they'd model the Spitfire MK1A, as used in the Battle of Britian... If not for FB, then very obviously, for the next game... Battle of Britain. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

"I wonder why they don`t model the Spitfire F. IXC with Merlin 61.. that was the first Mk IX, and basically the only one in 1942. The ones we get all appeared in 1943.." - Kurfurst

I don't know. How many of that type were actually produced and used in 1942?

Try to be a little less blatantly obvious in your line of questioning, Isegrim. It shows quite a bit about you, but I can only assume you are doing it intentionally. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
03-26-2004, 06:30 PM
Yep, Spit~1 is the Spit I want over the FB.

I hope they have Spit~1 for BoB.

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"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

VW-IceFire
03-26-2004, 06:44 PM
Spit 1 for BoB is a requirement http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Spit 1 for this game is coming from 310thIronHand. Apparently he was making good progress based on Gibbages Mark V model. So it may be a good possibility!

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LEXX_Luthor
03-26-2004, 07:12 PM
hehee I guess we may get a Spit~1 for BoB

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/forums/showthread.php?s=9c9229512cb8501e1a3529874dc9d6bc&threadid=9784

Same modder [Araks] is making our own I~185 over the FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif AWSUM



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http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Flyable Swedish "Gladiator" listed as J8A ...in Aces Expansion Pack

"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

NegativeGee
03-26-2004, 07:38 PM
Araks seems quite handy with the old polygons:

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

I'm going to have to stop thinking of BoB, I may start drooling again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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Gwihair
03-27-2004, 12:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:

Gwihair,

Not sure if you saw that list, but this appears to be a semi-official list of new airplanes in the shortly coming up patch to AEP add-on:

Flyable:
FW-190A-6
Spitfire H.P.Mk.IXE
Spitfire LF.Mk.IXC
Spitfire LF.Mk.IXE
I-185M-71
I-185M-82
I-185M-90
Yak-7A
Yak-9B
Yak-9M
Yak-3P
Yak-9UT
LaGG-3 29 series
LaGG-3 35 series

AI:
B-25C-25
B-25H-1
B-25G-1
B-25J-1

No Yak1-B, but plenty of Yaks and Laggs and Soviet A/C for that matter!

JagdMailer<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Jagdmailer, I did not know this list.

If I am not mistaken, most of the Russian planes in the list belong to after WW2 days. The plane I request is a very important WW2 plane. If I recall correctly it was the answer to the Bf109G2...

[This message was edited by Gwihair on Sat March 27 2004 at 12:06 AM.]

Gwihair
03-27-2004, 01:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
I thought Yak-1b was already in the game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

V!
Regards,

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>With all due respect, you did not take time to read my post.

The ealy Yak1b is portrayed... But it was later refined. So, somehow, the yak1b is not in the game.

Maybe the 1942 Yak1b in the game has the performance of the later Yak1b, but it doesn't have the 3D modelling for sure.

Look at the different marks of Spitfire Vb in the game, and try to feel my frustration...

Regards.

03-27-2004, 01:52 AM
The Yak-1B you want is already in the game. It's a merely cosmetic issue, as it uses the 3D model for an early Yak-1B with the M-105PA engine, and a non-retractable tail wheel.

However, the performance is upto the standards of common produced Yak-1Bs, with M-105PF and doing 590km/h @ 3,850m, 240 rounds of UBS, and 140 rounds of ShVAK.

Such mistakes are common in IL2/FB. For instance, we have a La-5FN with essentially '44 standards in performance, but it is listed as a '43 plane with early La-5FN 3D model.

Tipo_Man
03-27-2004, 03:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kweassa1:
The Yak-1B you want is already in the game. It's a merely cosmetic issue, as it uses the 3D model for an early Yak-1B with the M-105PA engine, and a non-retractable tail wheel.

However, the performance is upto the standards of common produced Yak-1Bs, with M-105PF and doing 590km/h @ 3,850m, 240 rounds of UBS, and 140 rounds of ShVAK.

Such mistakes are common in IL2/FB. For instance, we have a La-5FN with essentially '44 standards in performance, but it is listed as a '43 plane with early La-5FN 3D model.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh yes , and the problem with Yak series is bigger. The problem is that Yak-1b was produced from autumn of 1942 till summer 1944, in several plants. Each plant made some improvements of the original(but kept the same designation) and the result was that Yak-1b produced in 1944 performend somewhat better than the 1942 yak-1b. And if I remember correctly the designation of Yak-1b was changed to Yak-1 somewhere in 1943. So it seems to me that the Yak-1b we have now is the best of all "Yak-1b" which were produced in 1944 but in the game is given as 1942 plane.
Here are some original sources:
http://tipoman.maddsites.com/files/Soviet_Planes_with_serial_numbers.htm

notice the difference in performance of same models which were simply produced in different years...

VW-IceFire
03-27-2004, 02:19 PM
Like Spitfires I guess....there is no one Yak variant that you can pin the series down to.

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clint-ruin
03-27-2004, 02:47 PM
I can't seem to find any information on the new Lagg 3 series runs. Was a hassle finding out info on the S4/S66 when I went looking too.

Does anyone know what these are?

It would be good to have some of the "crap Laggs" made after the soviet manufacturing base move, both to flesh out appropriate period missions and to stifle some of the whining about the "best case" pre-invasion S4 variant.

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Gwihair
03-28-2004, 02:02 AM
Okay, if the Yak1b has the "old" 3Dmodelling, and the "new" FM, then :

1. Give the right FM to the 1942 Yak1b.

2. Modify the 3D model to portray a 1943+ Yak1b with the present FM.

Why do we get two Bf109G6 and only one Yak1b ?