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Baltar
03-31-2004, 10:31 AM
I just want to confirm whether this is an expansion or a separate game. I'd really like to be able to use the pacific offerings along with IL-2...also installing ANOTHER full game is asking alot 'cuz of all the harddrive space. IL-2 takes up ALOT by the standards of any game.

Baltar
03-31-2004, 10:31 AM
I just want to confirm whether this is an expansion or a separate game. I'd really like to be able to use the pacific offerings along with IL-2...also installing ANOTHER full game is asking alot 'cuz of all the harddrive space. IL-2 takes up ALOT by the standards of any game.

DONB3397
03-31-2004, 10:44 AM
Question of the day! Can we take the Mitchell to Europe, and the Mustang to the new Pacific maps?

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LuckyBoy1
03-31-2004, 10:53 AM
So much for all the poor suckers who gave away their efforts for free by making maps, skins etc. for the "Pacific Expansion Pack" only to get screwed once again!!! No, I won't buy it as a stand alone game, but I'm just mad enough at Oleg and the Surley Frenchmen at UBI to pirate the game when it comes out. I bet I'm not the only one who feels that way! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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JG53Frankyboy
03-31-2004, 10:55 AM
german community manager is saying "stand alone"

Captain_Hilts
03-31-2004, 11:07 AM
Luckyboy why dont you get your facts right before you start mouthing off ! As a matter of fact Luthier has been recruiting people for a few months to be PAID for their work - go and look on the netwings Il2fb modeliing forum ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Fennec_P
03-31-2004, 11:10 AM
Either way you will have to buy it. The only difference is whether it is $30 addon or $50 standalone.

Standalone would make more sense, so new players don't have to shell out for a copy of FB and a Pacific addon.

As for the poor suckers, first of all, 3rd parties don't make maps. If it has any 3rd party skins in it, they probably give something to the artists, like a copy of the game or something.

LeLv30_Superbus
03-31-2004, 11:11 AM
Just tell me this is not a bad April fool's joke. Think of Japan and time zones.

LuckyBoy1
03-31-2004, 11:18 AM
CaptainDude! Actually, it was originally posted as being an expansion pack. I could care less what obscure thread they "may have" stuck notice of it being a stand alone game in. I can tell you for sure, directly from someone who worked very hard on skins for the Pacific theatre that he was led to believe it would be an expansion pack. There is no reason whatsoever for it to be a stand alone game. Just another example of people being pimped for free! Get your facts straight Dudely! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

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LuckyBoy1
03-31-2004, 11:21 AM
FennecDude, learn how to like, add! The Gold Pack which was the whole game, ACE and all was just $39.99. I won't buy it, but I'll be happy to not just pirate the game, but post on just how to do it!

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Fennec_P
03-31-2004, 11:29 AM
So the big deal is the cost difference?

What exactly does that have to do with 3rd party skins?

I mean, if they shipped it with your skins without permission, that would be a reason to be angry.

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Tetrapharmakoi
03-31-2004, 11:31 AM
Shut up Lucky boy , i'm french , Ubi is French and I BOUGHT IL2+FB+AEP
Who the hell do you think you are ?

JG1_vonPletz
03-31-2004, 11:36 AM
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Bearcat99
03-31-2004, 11:57 AM
Im real dissapointed that you would come here and actually advocate piracy.... and brag about it... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Stand alone or add on it makes no difference to me..... I bought IL2-FB-AEP-BoE and Ill buy this the day it is released. The only reason I didnt buy CiE is because of the way it was put together according to some of the folks who contributed to it. But you can bet i wont steal it either just because i dont like that aspect of it....

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Captain_Hilts
03-31-2004, 12:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:
CaptainDude! Actually, it was originally posted as being an expansion pack. I could care less what obscure thread they "may have" stuck notice of it being a stand alone game in. I can tell you for sure, directly from someone who worked very hard on skins for the Pacific theatre that he was led to believe it would be an expansion pack. There is no reason whatsoever for it to be a stand alone game. Just another example of people being pimped for free! Get your facts straight Dudely! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong again !

http://www.il2center.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7&mode=&order=0&thold=0

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/620.html

http://www.netwings.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=524&forum=DCForumID43

follow these links and you will find references to people being PAID texture artists included ( there are also volunteer positions) .Also find references to it being an FB Sequel...I know about the thread which oleg says "Addon" , we should agree to disagree until we hear further ...

[This message was edited by Captain_Hilts on Wed March 31 2004 at 01:43 PM.]

LeadSpitter_
03-31-2004, 01:09 PM
I dont get how you people want it as a stand alone thinking it would be less work for updates and tweaking of flightmodels.

As a stand alone its going to rip the very small il2 online community in two which is not a good thing in my opinion.

Keep it in one place its using the fb engine not the bob engine like olegs upcoming med addon after bob hits the shelves in a year and a half.

Make it an addon for il2fb its only a couple maps and planes let us decide to play the historical planesets online missions and pacific campaigns.

This is the deciding factor for me if i will buy this title, reguardless of luthiers and gibbages great work.

addon for fb = I'll preorder
stand alone = I wouldnt buy

this money would also make it worth updating small caliber weapons graphic effect for the planes in il2fb.

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Markku38
03-31-2004, 01:50 PM
Well, let's see...

First I bought IL2FB...then new graphic card (Radeon 9600 Pro)...then new stick (MS Precision 2 FFB), new soundcard (Audigy 2), speakers (surround), new monitor (19"), new processor (XP2400+), BoE,AEP... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

So it's no matter if I buy Pacific too...and I buy.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Markku38
03-31-2004, 02:01 PM
Oh forgot say that I have bought CH Throttle and CH Pedals too... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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michapma
03-31-2004, 02:07 PM
The fact that we're posting in a totally separate forum tells me that it will be a stand-alone product.

Cheers

Edit: Oops, I spoke too fast, this is still under the IL-2 forum banner.

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Future-
03-31-2004, 02:08 PM
Oleg's still in ... where is that tournament? Japan? China?

If he made this up as an april fool prank... see, Superbus got a point. Around the time the announcement was made "official", I think it the date already switched to april 1st in Asia.

So I'm not going to take anything serious about this pacific thing during the next 48 hours.

If this forum and the "announcement" still exist by next monday, we can talk again.

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DONB3397
03-31-2004, 02:11 PM
In business, people play a game called, "Follow the money." If you don't understand why decisions are being made, figure out where the best return on investment lies.

We know BoB is scheduled in 2005 and includes a new engine. Will that bring more players to the game, or simply trade dollars with FB? Will it keep competition out of the hardcore combat simmer segment FB has created? Answer: new technology protects and expands the market niche. It's a good move, and will generate more computer upgrades, peripheral sales, etc. If it's done right, 1C becomes the undisputed niche leader, and much richer. Ubi grows it's share. Sim community happily expands.

With that much at stake, why would 1C bring an interim stand-alone game to the market (with incompatible features) and split their customer base now? Isn't that what MS did, bringing out a pretty new stand-alone CFS3? It killed CFS2 and didn't create any new combat sim customers for the new game.

Moreover, building the Pac Sim on the FB engine gives 1C a way to leverage its current features, aircraft and FMs...and blunt the impact of CFS4 on the combat sim market at the same time. They'll probably sell it like the AEP, so they're bringing in new dollars/euros without having to increase their basic technical investment. Anyway, many of the flyable aircraft...with a few new skins...can switch to the Pacific without a major change. Add new maps, carrier+Hellcats+Wildcats, etc., flyable medium bombers (for all maps) and call it a title.


Conclusion: Pacific sim will be based on FB engine and FM's, and include many existing aircraft. It will be a standalone title for new buyers, but a natural add-on for current users.

What do you think?

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Captain_Hilts
03-31-2004, 02:39 PM
Future, this is NOT an april fool . The producer of the sim (luthier aka Ilya shevchenko) has been talking about this project for months ( not mentioning the pacific theme) and recruiting modelers..

Aaron_GT
03-31-2004, 02:43 PM
Luckboy1:
"It was originally posted as an add on"

No... it was originally advertised as a standalone
with a reworked physics engine for carrier
landings.

Future-
03-31-2004, 02:43 PM
Well, Luthier already replied that it's no joke, however I thought this pacific thing was meant to be somekind of add-on to FB?

Or if it's a stand-alone, shouldn't it be compatible with FB, and/or include "parts" of it (like FB mostly includes the original IL-2 game) ?

S!

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PBNA-Boosher
03-31-2004, 03:56 PM
Guys, it will be a stand-alone item. However, Oleg and Luthier said that most, if not all, of the planes in PF will be put into FB. However, I would agree that it would be better as an expansion pack.

Spinne_3.-JG51
03-31-2004, 04:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
I dont get how you people want it as a stand alone thinking it would be less work for updates and tweaking of flightmodels.

As a stand alone its going to rip the very small il2 online community in two which is not a good thing in my opinion.

Keep it in one place its using the fb engine not the bob engine like olegs upcoming med addon after bob hits the shelves in a year and a half.

Make it an addon for il2fb its only a couple maps and planes let us decide to play the historical planesets online missions and pacific campaigns.

This is the deciding factor for me if i will buy this title, reguardless of luthiers and gibbages great work.

addon for fb = I'll preorder
stand alone = I wouldnt buy

this money would also make it worth updating small caliber weapons graphic effect for the planes in il2fb.

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I have to agree with Leadspitter, this thing will tear the FB community into two. But we'll all be reunited again once BoB comes out. It'll be just like a real war where you'd know a fellow pilot during the evacuation of Normandy, but then he'd to posted to Burma, but then you'd meet again in Paris for coffee. Basically, BoB is our saviour!! BoB is the messiah! All Hail BoB!!

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Spinne_3.-JG51
03-31-2004, 04:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
Guys, it will be a stand-alone item. However, Oleg and Luthier said that most, if not all, of the planes in PF will be put into FB. However, I would agree that it would be better as an expansion pack.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm no lawyer, but I remember reading somewhere that Luthier said that he can't deny Oleg the use of anything that he develops for his project. That is why I suspect we have the Online Campaigns from BOE in AEP, and the US army ground objects. So I get the feeling that all code-rewrites, new maps, objects and aircraft made for PF will find thier way into AEP in a free patch(it doesn't make sense to sell the community the same thing twice). So AEP will remain the odd hash of fighters from a lot of theatres, while we'll get dedicated sims for specefic theatres.

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heywooood
03-31-2004, 05:27 PM
Lukyboy1 - dont know ya - but whatever your angry about will be better resolved with a better attitude.
I still have not heard from any one listed as VIP on these boards as to whether this will be stand alone or addon.. Personally - I dont care! I will have it - I will pay for it - not pirate.. anyone advocating theft is a *******.
WOW ! what a wild ride these posts are ..
Wait for official word.. Wait to see if there will be compensation for work already done to those who have done it, and breathe before posting hostile thoughtless crap.

Athosd
03-31-2004, 06:17 PM
I not concerned with whether its an add-on or a full price stand alone - I'll be there with bells on.
The cost of this software is hardly material vs the cost of purchasing/keeping up to date a decent simulations rig.
Leadspitter's point about splitting up the FB online community is well made, but hasn't AEP already done that to a certain extent?

Overall I feel the sim community at large can only benefit from a greater diversity of quality products.

Cheers

Athos

heywooood
03-31-2004, 09:56 PM
Overall I feel the sim community at large can only benefit from a greater diversity of quality products.

Cheers

Athos[/QUOTE]

Exactly !