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Ulrichvonbek111
03-27-2017, 06:01 PM
Why are the tin men bringing religion into this game,,,
I reckon 3/4s of them are non believers and don't practice yet they are more than happy to bring the hatred of other religions into their gameplay and banter.
We know the atrocities committed by the Crusader's in the name of their God..
Now what I take from this is that many of the english tin men have no imagination at all,,hence so many George crosses,mmm
Mmm how original,,don't expect anything else from over bloated egos,,sheer arrogance and utter contempt for other creeds and beliefs....

MassiveD.
03-27-2017, 06:13 PM
Because


DEUS VULT

http://oi67.tinypic.com/iyep20.jpg


Altho I personally roll with King Richards lion for my emblem, which is sort of similar

Isohan_
03-27-2017, 06:14 PM
Why are the tin men bringing religion into this game,,,
I reckon 3/4s of them are non believers and don't practice yet they are more than happy to bring the hatred of other religions into their gameplay and banter.
We know the atrocities committed by the Crusader's in the name of their God..
Now what I take from this is that many of the english tin men have no imagination at all,,hence so many George crosses,mmm
Mmm how original,,don't expect anything else from over bloated egos,,sheer arrogance and utter contempt for other creeds and beliefs....

Too soon?

Udonitron
03-27-2017, 06:27 PM
I just kill them all in the name of Shinto

Gray360UK
03-27-2017, 06:46 PM
Why are the tin men bringing religion into this game,,,
I reckon 3/4s of them are non believers and don't practice yet they are more than happy to bring the hatred of other religions into their gameplay and banter.
We know the atrocities committed by the Crusader's in the name of their God..
Now what I take from this is that many of the english tin men have no imagination at all,,hence so many George crosses,mmm
Mmm how original,,don't expect anything else from over bloated egos,,sheer arrogance and utter contempt for other creeds and beliefs....

Ignorant drivel.

That cross is the national flag of England.
England has strong links with St George.
St George is the Patron Saint of England.
The English celebrate St Georges Day every year (Sunday 23rd April this year).
I live in a village with a pub called 'The George and Dragon' and another called 'The Castle'.
Knights are a natural choice for the English, and so is that symbol, it's a massive part of English culture.

This is a typical English scene at a football / rugby match.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/23/article-2133982-00760F291000044C-98_634x422.jpg
This is what they do at football stadiums
http://cdn3-i.hitc-s.com/67/wembley_england_11833.jpg
This is what they do to the streets
http://home.bt.com/images/england-flags-across-street-in-bristol-140081671983202601-140611164004.jpg
This is what they do their houses
http://www.bohen.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/World-Cup-2014-England-Home.jpg

Nice and subtle, see?
Welcome to English pride.
You don't like it, tough ;)

secrecy274
03-27-2017, 06:47 PM
*sigh*
Why bother being offended by something that happened over 900 years ago?

Marcrele
03-27-2017, 06:56 PM
Deus Fault

Xynrex
03-27-2017, 07:03 PM
I am one of them and

http://i.imgur.com/gRDa3JP.jpg

Burn-The-Sinner
03-27-2017, 07:07 PM
Ignorant drivel.

That cross is the national flag of England.
England has strong links with St George.
St George is the Patron Saint of England.
The English celebrate St Georges Day every year (Sunday 23rd April this year).
I live in a village with a pub called 'The George and Dragon' and another called 'The Castle'.
Knights are a natural choice for the English, and so is that symbol, it's a massive part of English culture.

This is a typical English scene at a football / rugby match.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/23/article-2133982-00760F291000044C-98_634x422.jpg
This is what they do at football stadiums
http://cdn3-i.hitc-s.com/67/wembley_england_11833.jpg
This is what they do to the streets
http://home.bt.com/images/england-flags-across-street-in-bristol-140081671983202601-140611164004.jpg
This is what they do their houses
http://www.bohen.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/World-Cup-2014-England-Home.jpg

Nice and subtle, see?
Welcome to English pride.
You don't like it, tough ;)

Your flag is kinda nice.

BananaBlighter
03-27-2017, 07:22 PM
As an Assassin's Creed fan, my emblem tries to incorporate both the Assassin and Templar logos, so yeah, I have a red cross on mine. I'm also British, but lol it's got nothing to do with that; I'm anything but patriotic.

ParadigmFringe
03-27-2017, 08:20 PM
ITT:

TC lives in a bubble, cut off from the outside world.

Ulrichvonbek111
03-27-2017, 08:45 PM
Remember Iceland,,,ohh and Ireland, ,,wiped the floor with your flag....👺🌋👹

cragar212
03-27-2017, 08:51 PM
Remember Iceland,,,ohh and Ireland, ,,wiped the floor with your flag....������

Wait the OP went from being offended about the crusades to talking trash about soccer...

/facepalm

Xynrex
03-27-2017, 09:00 PM
Wait the OP went from being offended about the crusades to talking trash about soccer...

/facepalm

He couldnt bear the sheer force of the crusade.

He lost his mind.

Deus Vult!

FledgeSRondo
03-27-2017, 09:17 PM
I think most people using "Deus Vult" are just riding the goofy meme bandwagon and genuinely don't mean any harm by it or think much about the history behind it. That said, there are indeed many serious far-right radicals who have appropriated the Crusades and medieval knight history as emblematic of a modern war against Muslims and modern "effete" liberalism, for example Anders Breivik, the nutcase Christian terrorist who recently shot up and killed all those kids in Norway, called himself a new age Crusader and had an entire manifesto dedicated to the exceptionalist heritage of Christian Western civilization. In this ideologically charged modern era it can be hard to escape negative associations like that, and it isn't hard to believe that some players do subscribe to such hateful beliefs and were attracted to For Honor just to realize such a disturbing power fantasy.

What's funny about it is that not all knights were even Medieval Age Crusaders, for example the Warden's helmet is a modified 15th century Renaissance Italian Barbute helmet created as a revival of ancient Greek hoplites, nothing Crusader about that at all, and really the entirety of For Honor is a kind of mishmash pastiche historical fantasy. Sure Apollyon's name is a reference to the Hebraic "destroyer" or "angel of the abyss", but even Apollyon herself in her cruel wisdom offered a strong criticism of worship in Ashfeld and clearly didn't subscribe to their beliefs (which she remarked as either inconsistent or hypocritically unfollowed).

In any case I absolutely LOVE playing the Warden and think the Knight class is the coolest (reminds me of LOTR and Led Zeppelin for some reason, especially with all the Wind and Leaves effects), but yeah I understand it can be bothersome to think others might play the class as a vote of confidence for some disturbing us-vs-them hate-driven beliefs (those Knights with tabards bearing Nazi symbols I occasionally come across are particularly concerning...). I wish there was a better battlecry for the knight class at the moment that didn't connect so many political, religious and modern connections, like "Praise the Sun!" or something more innocuous, but eh, like I said I don't think most people mean anything bad by it, not much you can do except ignore it or maybe come up with something else that catches on.

MassiveD.
03-27-2017, 09:18 PM
He couldnt bear the sheer force of the crusade.

He lost his mind.

Deus Vult!

It is actually quite ironic given his name, as it's a name of a character in Michael Moorcock's books, a relatively religious character, whos family is suppose to be the keepers of the Holy Grail (aka. the most famous catholic artefact to never exist), lol'd

Gray360UK
03-27-2017, 09:22 PM
Wait the OP went from being offended about the crusades to talking trash about soccer...

/facepalm

lol ... brilliant isn't it :D
Guessing he just got owned by someone with that symbol and the rage just has to come out in one way or another.

Xynrex
03-27-2017, 09:38 PM
I wish there was a better battlecry for the knight class at the moment that didn't connect so many political, religious and modern connections, like "Praise the Sun!" or something more innocuous, but eh, like I said I don't think most people mean anything bad by it, not much you can do except ignore it or maybe come up with something else that catches on.

https://img.ifcdn.com/images/4fee8318ba750a54081708b27b11921a7590927e351e0a53cc 3ab0849b2ea7d1_1.jpg

Ulrichvonbek111
03-27-2017, 09:53 PM
Sorry if I've offended anyone,,all in fun .

FledgeSRondo
03-27-2017, 09:55 PM
:cool:

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/031/6/5/2468002_do_you_even_praise_the_sun_by_xxhellmightx x-d74ktbi.jpg

Forgot to mention I'm also a huge Dark Souls fan, which is partially why I was drawn to For Honor in the first place. :p

Gray360UK
03-27-2017, 10:33 PM
Sorry if I've offended anyone,,all in fun .

Friendly rivalry is all good with me, just as long as it stays friendly.
End of the day we are all gamers just enjoying our hobby, no need for a Holy War ;)

Reign
03-27-2017, 10:46 PM
I don't alway Deus, but when I do I Vult. Rah! Rah! Rah! Rah! (gratuitous air humping)

Ulrichvonbek111
03-28-2017, 12:03 AM
Sound Gary,,it's all in jest my friend..

UbiJurassic
03-28-2017, 01:07 AM
http://i.imgur.com/xxJJbGp.png

I joined the Knights because they looked cool, but I stayed for the memes.

AkenoKobayashi
03-28-2017, 01:24 AM
This topic is out of the blue. Since when was there ever any mention of the crusades or anything religious in this game besides the phrase "Valhalla" and "Odin's beard"? I have never heard anyone in game say Deus Vult.

Oh, by the way, Vikings, your culture was destroyed by the Knights. Historically speaking. The blood thirst of the Christian Europeans sought to destroy the "pagan heathens" of your Norse way of life. And they did, but politically through the leaders of your lands who were Christianized. And we all know what happens if you refused to accept Christianity back in those days.

MassiveD.
03-28-2017, 01:32 AM
This topic is out of the blue. Since when was there ever any mention of the crusades or anything religious in this game besides the phrase "Valhalla" and "Odin's beard"? I have never heard anyone in game say Deus Vult.

Oh, by the way, Vikings, your culture was destroyed by the Knights. Historically speaking. The blood thirst of the Christian Europeans sought to destroy the "pagan heathens" of your Norse way of life. And they did, but politically through the leaders of your lands who were Christianized. And we all know what happens if you refused to accept Christianity back in those days.

Actually a lot of vikings, mostly from Denmark if I recall, took over a significant chunk of Britains lands, and made settlements, later they made deals with mainlanders, adopted christianity and became official dukes and barons etc.

They were smart people, and because they didn't really give a f*** for religion that much, it was a win-win situation for them

CandleInTheDark
03-28-2017, 11:56 AM
This topic is out of the blue. Since when was there ever any mention of the crusades or anything religious in this game besides the phrase "Valhalla" and "Odin's beard"? I have never heard anyone in game say Deus Vult.


Not that i think it was worth the outcry, but not long before this thread popped up, there was a meme from one ofthe ubisoft guys that went with

Did someone say

...

crusade.

I might be off base with that, it might have been the england flags ranted about in the OP, just it was what I linked this thread with the moment it was posted.

Edit

To put proper context on this, it was in a call to arms type thread one of the samurai players posted with the round near its end.

Angry Ari 1
03-28-2017, 07:48 PM
Lol, as a Jewish dude, I literally give no ****s whatsoever. Not saying the Crusades weren't wrong, but they happened a really long time ago, and I sincerely doubt people intend to make a real-life religious impact on others via a video game. Also, the only things they are taking from the Crusades (that I've seen so far) are the cross and shouting "Deus Vult", and so far my menorah hasn't crumbled to dust and my tzit tzit hasn't burst into flames as a result, so I think it's safe to say


DEUS VULT

darksavior1977
03-28-2017, 08:15 PM
The Crusades were a response to Muslim conquests. The first was in response to the 661 Muslim conquest that took Jerusalem and booted out Christians and Jews, whereas prior, all three were allowed to worship there. Unhappy that the Crusades happened? Blame a Muslim. SMDH.

Captain-Courage
03-28-2017, 08:43 PM
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/176/858/c69.gif

Ulrichvonbek111
03-28-2017, 08:44 PM
RAGE.....RAGE....Nice one,,,get good banter on here.

Orion027x7
03-28-2017, 08:49 PM
I may not be English but this is an awesome comment. Be proud, be damn proud!

SCNADS
03-28-2017, 09:06 PM
Why are the tin men bringing religion into this game,,,
I reckon 3/4s of them are non believers and don't practice yet they are more than happy to bring the hatred of other religions into their gameplay and banter.
We know the atrocities committed by the Crusader's in the name of their God..
Now what I take from this is that many of the english tin men have no imagination at all,,hence so many George crosses,mmm
Mmm how original,,don't expect anything else from over bloated egos,,sheer arrogance and utter contempt for other creeds and beliefs....

Did someone get destroyed by a knight?