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We.the.North
03-25-2017, 05:32 AM
Here are my big turn off, in order :

#1 : 1/3 of the game I play with my friend, one of us disconnects. Not only we have to quit the game to play again, but we have to make a new group and constantly "alt+tab" to chat outside game sessions.

#2 : Hackers. It happens maybe every 5 games, I face someone blocking all my attacks. Feinting, aiming in a different direction before a zone attack, light attack spam, nothing works. It's even more surprising since I main Peacekeeper and people on this forums seems to think the light attack spam or the zone attack are too quick to be blocked. Yet, I get 100% blocked followed always by their zone attack, then they turtle again, and they counter guard break 100% of the time. I've seen the "autoblock bot" program, I know what it does and I know it's out there. I report those players, but lets be frank, players can't be the game's police, Ubisoft needs to do better at detecting those kind of behaviors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XijyLanX2A

#3 : Related to Hackers and what makes them super effective : the Defensive Meta. How is 2 people looking at each other and nobody is swinging their weapon any fun ? People know being super defensive is the best way to win a duel. Who cares if you get hit by 1-3 light attacks after feints. All you need is one parry followed by a guard break followed by a combo and you outdamaged severly those 1-3 light attacks. Duels and Brawl are unplayable atm because of all the turtles. It's a real fun killer.

#4 : Revenge Gear. Oh my god. My gear score is 98 and I also use revenge gear. It's absolutly broken on the giving end as well as on the receiving end. I know Ubisoft "is closely looking at the matter", but come on. At no point in the developpement process did you realise this was broken? Dont you have a whole quality control departement that could flag stuff like that? Now that you acknowledge the issue, how about a small quick fix while working on a more balanced permanent solution? You're as slow to fix the game as Hearthstone developpers are at balancing theirs ... which should speak by itself.

#5 : PR campain. Ubijurassic and other Ubisoft PR employee lurking these forums just saying our opinion matter and our feedback is being passed along. Always being positive and nothing is ever as bad as it seems. Cut the ********, the game is absolutly broken in its multiplayer state. How about we receive a real warrior's den talking about the real issues? Two weeks in a row, warrior's den was a joke and no real content about futur updates or balance was given to us. We dont need to know what will be in the final update patch, we would just like you to acknowledge specific broken things on characters and different approach being considered to fix the problems. Also, who cares that you "supposedly" fixed a lot of the connectivity problems (which I see absolutly no difference on my end since 2 weeks ago). I see through all your PR ********. Start being close to your fan base for real and talk about the real problems. Dont use your patronizing tone that everything will be alright. The community is running out of faith towards Ubisoft.

#6 : Matchmaking : I would estimate about 80% of the games in Dominion will be over at the loading screen. You will see a vast difference in gear. Also, later in the game, you will also see a vast difference in player skills. I dont mind if the match making takes 1-2 more minutes to find players if that means we'll have a good game with players of similar skill and gear.

#7 : Slow balancing : We know balancing is a long process. But you know what works even better ? Iterations. When you know something is absolutly wrong for the game, how about to do a small quick fix in the right direction before the real balance patch ? Everybody knows revenge is absolutly broken at the moment. How about you hotfix it down a little before you are finished testing your big change internaly ? Spkeaking of PR campain, I only heard good things about game companies making multiple and frequent balance adjustment. Stop being so scared to make a bad move and move already. Your balance patch will not be perfect even if you plan it for 3 months, start doing smaller and more frequent iterations.


I understand a lot of these things have already been said on the forums, I'm just adding my voice to them. Also, Ubisoft PR specialist, dont even bother posting here, I have absolutly no faith in you being helpful in any way and your uselessness on these forums only angers me.

Mia.Nora
03-25-2017, 05:55 AM
I want to believe in them, because it is all I have left as hope at this stage.
The moment I dismiss their presence as PR ********, is time to bury this game.

That being said, I completely agree %100 everything you said. I really hope things turn around, and sooner than later at that.

Ex__Machina
03-25-2017, 08:04 AM
I have an account renown of 17 between betas and release with a win rate of close to 80%, so I'm playing decent players. I've yet to experience even a single person who I thought was hacking....

What system are you people playing on???

We.the.North
03-25-2017, 02:47 PM
I'm playing on PC. Here's my Peacekeeper's score : https://fhtracker.com/profile/pc/We.the.North/heroes

Hackers usually happens at night around midnight eastern time. Like I said, I'm not the best, but I'm good enough to make the difference between a very good player blocking most my attacks and an autoblock bot blocking 100% my attacks + 100% my guardbreak and countering everytime with a zone attack.

Yes, I do feint, use mixed up attacks, aim at a different direction my zone attack comes from when I use it, all this while throwing guard breaks from time to time. Extremly good players at blocking yet still get hit from time to time and counter with "vortex" and such combos ; hackers blocks everything and counters with a single zone attack.

Ex__Machina
03-28-2017, 12:31 PM
i don't know what to tell you. i play pc also and i've never once encountered a person i thought was hacking in any way.

MassiveD.
03-28-2017, 12:43 PM
Who cares, get good

Thief183
03-28-2017, 12:49 PM
I can agree on all except for hackers... sometimes we just become predictable... and a good player will block everything

We.the.North
03-28-2017, 05:34 PM
Who cares, get good

With a name like "MassiveD" I can only say : Shoo, troll.
https://fhtracker.com/profile/pc/We.the.North/heroes

Looking at your stats, I return the comment to you : Get good lol
https://fhtracker.com/profile/pc/MassiveD./heroes



I can agree on all except for hackers... sometimes we just become predictable... and a good player will block everything

Like I said, there is a difference between landing 1/20 hits because your opponent is crazy good and someone blocking 100% of your hits. I main a peacekeeper (light attacks are quite hard to block due to their speed), but I do use feints or aim in a different direction before throwing in an occasionnal zone attack. Now, I'll still give the benefit of the doubt to the player, he might be very good. But then, he counter-attacks with a zone attack 100% of the time. It's "robotic" and weird. Here's a video of the "auto-block" 3rd party programm I'm talking about :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XijyLanX2A

Look the video at 1:31, that's a crazy good clue your opponent is using the cheat. The PK feinted a crazy fast attack into a GB that got countered right away. Chances are extremly small even the best player in the world would have countered the guardbreak. But hey, "get good" heh, hackers dont exist right.

JohnWick87
03-28-2017, 06:05 PM
i want to love it to. but connectivity and balance are getting ****ed up in every way more and more every week...

massive02
03-28-2017, 06:05 PM
to the OP,

yeah your absolutely right; the game is in terrible shape right now, but it's not the end. My suggestion is just take a break from the game for a while and come back after a few patches.

Ex__Machina
03-28-2017, 07:41 PM
With a name like "MassiveD" I can only say : Shoo, troll.
https://fhtracker.com/profile/pc/We.the.North/heroes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XijyLanX2A

Look the video at 1:31, that's a crazy good clue your opponent is using the cheat. The PK feinted a crazy fast attack into a GB that got countered right away. Chances are extremly small even the best player in the world would have countered the guardbreak. But hey, "get good" heh, hackers dont exist right.

interesting video. it definitely looks like someone has written a program to assist in blocks/cgb. but i wouldn't call it the smoking gun. it could just be someone messing w/ script to make a box follow a player around then someone just blocking some attacks. he is fighting a bot afterall, and they'er pretty damn predictable

my question is if you're going to go through the trouble of writing an auto-block script, why not just make an auto-parry script? one is far my useful than the other

We.the.North
03-28-2017, 08:09 PM
my question is if you're going to go through the trouble of writing an auto-block script, why not just make an auto-parry script? one is far my useful than the other

I have a little marketing story for you. A long time ago, there was an "All in one - Muffin Powder". The customer only had to add a little water to the mix and put everything in the oven. The sales were incredibly low because people didn't like it. It didn't "feel good" being told they weren't good cook, that it was all just an "all in one" powder. Then, the company decided to force the customer to add by themself an egg to the mix. Suddenly, just because the customer had to "do" something, sales rocketed through the roof.

It's a little bit the same with the auto-block programm. From what I've read, the program automatically matched the block direction and always input a counter-guard break. However, there are 2 very interesting part to the 3rd party programm :

#1 : The player has to input "parry" themselves. It's rewarding for the player, just like adding an egg to a powder mix.

#2 : The player has the option to instantly turn off the 3rd party programm. That way, they can play normally until they get tired of facing a superior opponent and "switch on" the auto-block program when they are down 50% life vs that opponent. Kindda of an "in your face" move that just requires you to press F12 or something to activate.

So ya, the point is not to make the programm do everything for the player. It's an "assist" programm that will give the player a huge edge in fights. I think my stats are decent (top 10% on most areas) and the matchmaking system might be putting me with players of higher than average skill. Maybe that's why I'm seeing souspicious behavior more often. Like I said, I give the opponent the benefit of the doubt to be extra good at blocking, but sometime when everything seems "scripted", it's fishy.

Ex__Machina
03-28-2017, 09:03 PM
I have a little marketing story for you. A long time ago, there was an "All in one - Muffin Powder". The customer only had to add a little water to the mix and put everything in the oven. The sales were incredibly low because people didn't like it. It didn't "feel good" being told they weren't good cook, that it was all just an "all in one" powder. Then, the company decided to force the customer to add by themself an egg to the mix. Suddenly, just because the customer had to "do" something, sales rocketed through the roof.

It's a little bit the same with the auto-block programm. From what I've read, the program automatically matched the block direction and always input a counter-guard break. However, there are 2 very interesting part to the 3rd party programm :

#1 : The player has to input "parry" themselves. It's rewarding for the player, just like adding an egg to a powder mix.

#2 : The player has the option to instantly turn off the 3rd party programm. That way, they can play normally until they get tired of facing a superior opponent and "switch on" the auto-block program when they are down 50% life vs that opponent. Kindda of an "in your face" move that just requires you to press F12 or something to activate.

So ya, the point is not to make the programm do everything for the player. It's an "assist" programm that will give the player a huge edge in fights. I think my stats are decent (top 10% on most areas) and the matchmaking system might be putting me with players of higher than average skill. Maybe that's why I'm seeing souspicious behavior more often. Like I said, I give the opponent the benefit of the doubt to be extra good at blocking, but sometime when everything seems "scripted", it's fishy.

well it's an itneresting theory, and i do agree that some people want to have to "earn" their victory. however there are also those who want it handed to them. so there's a market for both. in fact i'd argue that most people who go through the trouble of installing any kind of auto-script program, would likely be of the latter school. either way, w/out seeing a script that auto parries, i'll remain skeptical. blocking and cgb (especially cgb, i mean it's INCREDIBLY rare for anyone to gb me, even feinting something like a pk zone) are pretty damn easy. i'm not great at this game, and i only ever do half my dailies (the ai half), however even i manage to block almost all pk attacks. if i do get hit by a fast attack from pk it's cuz either a. i was attempting a gb. b. i was attempting an attack. or c i missed my parry window.

which circles back to my main point. if i was ever confronted w/ a program that was similar t othe one shown in that video but was parrying every pk zone/fast then i'd be inclined to believe that hacking programs exist. or i suppose if someone was to personally express a testimony to having had first hand experience w/ it. until then i maintain my initial belief

i apologize if i'm coming off as argumentative. i'm just skeptical by nature and am not convinced that auto-anything scripts exist. at least not full proof ones

UCFierce
03-28-2017, 09:14 PM
Who cares, get good

Always nice to this exact statement from a Senior Member on EVERY THREAD - so constructive - a never ending pleasure from the creative mind of MassiveD.

UCFierce
03-28-2017, 09:18 PM
yeah your absolutely right; the game is in terrible shape right now, but it's not the end. My suggestion is just take a break from the game for a while and come back after a few patches.


Yup, that's exactly the correct medicine - I need a break from the Salt Mines - hopefully the Ubisoft Devs will come back from vacation and fix this catastrophe !

Mia.Nora
03-28-2017, 11:49 PM
Anyone who wonders whether cheat and hacks are real or not; can reach the fact that they are %100 true by a simple google search.
I would post links here, but it is forbidden. Cheats do exists that does auto block and auto CGB based on pixel recognition on PC & PS4.