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Eraser_tr
06-30-2004, 09:04 AM
Il-2 and FB have been great sims, pacific fighters and BoB so far have looked to be just as impressive.

I've got a suggestion for 1C Maddox Games for a future flight sim: In recent years modern military sims have been somewhat neglected in favor of world war II. I know there is LOMAC, but it has an incredible learning curve and not many nato flyable planes.

With the quality of FB you guys would do an excellent job with a modern military flight sim. There was an old line of great jet sims under the Janes combat simulations license begginging with US Navy Fighters and last with USAF and F-18 several years ago. It may be quite a good idea to try to acquire this license and continue the line(maybe making a jet sim with the scope of Fighters Anthology, but with Pacific fighters quality graphics/flight models) or simply make something similar with your own license http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Eraser_tr
06-30-2004, 09:04 AM
Il-2 and FB have been great sims, pacific fighters and BoB so far have looked to be just as impressive.

I've got a suggestion for 1C Maddox Games for a future flight sim: In recent years modern military sims have been somewhat neglected in favor of world war II. I know there is LOMAC, but it has an incredible learning curve and not many nato flyable planes.

With the quality of FB you guys would do an excellent job with a modern military flight sim. There was an old line of great jet sims under the Janes combat simulations license begginging with US Navy Fighters and last with USAF and F-18 several years ago. It may be quite a good idea to try to acquire this license and continue the line(maybe making a jet sim with the scope of Fighters Anthology, but with Pacific fighters quality graphics/flight models) or simply make something similar with your own license http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LEXX_Luthor
06-30-2004, 01:45 PM
NOOOoooo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

No more Noob jets. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif ENOUGH already


Oleg needs a crapp jet sim and let a Hundred Flyables Zoom...

Hawker Hunter
Saab J~29
Canberra
Dessault Mystere
Mirage IIIC
MiG~19
Folland Gnat
La~15 (yes it was as Uber as the "La" implies)
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif Sweet Heart F~106 Delta Dart

And 93 more Flyables to go..........

Oleg's crapp jets would Rule! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


And the missiles would fail half the time ensuring many guns only dogfights.

A Korea Addon CD would make much Profit.


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Eraser_tr
06-30-2004, 06:29 PM
So I'm the only one who misses dogfighting Mig-29's in an F-14?

What's so noobish and crappy about jets? (yes in multiplayer against a bunch of props its no good, but i mean a sim set between 1990-2010)

Dogfights still occured since the air to air missile age began. You can only have so many world war two flight sims before you exhaust everything to base a game off of. if you want guns only, an option could be made for that then, But I'd like to see another quality jet sim, not one thats impossible to learn and only has a few flyable planes.

LEXX_Luthor
06-30-2004, 10:00 PM
I had already figured you would not be interested in my list of world war two prop planes I made above. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

WWMaxGunz
06-30-2004, 11:30 PM
The faster the planes move, the bigger the distance they cover per ping-time.
Work it out from there.


Neal

diomedes33
07-01-2004, 02:26 PM
Lexx you forgot the f-101 voodoo

I agree a korea to vietnam era flight sim would be awesome. Strike Fighters made an attempt, but doesn't have the same feel as a 1c/Maddox flight sim.

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609IAP_Recon
07-01-2004, 03:13 PM
I'd rather do Korean War era - mig alley jets than modern jets

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heywooood
07-01-2004, 07:29 PM
Recon - I agree, because that is still dogfighting. In fact - I would rather see FB's game engine used in the WWI setting than even the Korean conflict. To me, it looks like all we would need is one big map and some Phalz's and some Sopwiths and some Fokkers and some Spads and some windsocks and the sound of the Le Rhone engines etc... Now that would be cool - and all the big pieces of that puzzle are already available.

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WTE_Galway
07-01-2004, 07:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:
Recon - I agree, because that is still dogfighting. In fact - I would rather see FB's game engine used in the WWI setting than even the Korean conflict. To me, it looks like all we would need is one big map and some Phalz's and some Sopwiths and some Fokkers and some Spads and some windsocks and the sound of the Le Rhone engines etc... Now that would be cool - and all the big pieces of that puzzle are already available.

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there is a WWI voluntary project which apparently has some semi-official endorsement as a potentional addon .. but it is proceeding slowly due to insufficient modellers and it currently seems unlikely enough planes will be finished to justify Oleg doing the flight models for it

NervousEnergy
07-01-2004, 07:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>A Korea Addon CD would make much Profit. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would be one of the first in line to purchase it. F-86's and MiG-15's mixing it up in furballs using Oleg's engine would be worth full price to me.

It's one of my dirty little IL2-FB-AEP secrets that I love setting up missions between YP-80's and ME-262's....

heywooood
07-01-2004, 07:44 PM
That is a shame - there were so many different styles of air fighting as well as a lot of different types of planes. It was pure aerial combat in difficult to fly, highly unstable little kites...too bad

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WWMaxGunz
07-01-2004, 10:12 PM
Slower planes firing fewer bullets. Unless the few single-made exceptions are included
then the only fragmenting shells would be AAA and that fired slower. Stress modelling
would have much more meaning. What seat armor? LOL! Maybe for some, yeah, but just
getting hits on something besides canvas and some redundant crossmembers is the real
challenge when turbulent air and very low wing loading get mixed.

I have a feeling that Oleg could get the air element S/D left out of RB2/3, the Zeps.
We'd have planes able to fly higher till they couldn't and if the high alt model don't
go past 10km then no problem, the planes might hit 7! With the current mission and
campaign controls and the DCG's the setup should be great for online and off.

And ONE MAP? Oh no, no, no. Many. It could easily be a full product like PF.

Unfortunately I can't begin to afford the 3DS and I think that may be holding up a lot
of the SWWISSA artists.


Neal

heywooood
07-01-2004, 10:22 PM
I was thinking of Verdun area..
This would be all that most mission builders would need.

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WWMaxGunz
07-02-2004, 12:17 AM
I'd want multiple Verdun maps! Or maybe some way to place front, mud and craters where
needed in the FMB because when that front moved then things changed deeply in wide places.

I think though that even 2 or 4 WWI planes from mid-war or so, a Camel/DrI matchup or
maybe SPAD VII and Alb D-III... and then see how many people take to such and ask for
more as a test for viability of a whole complete sim.

I know there's not enough cockpit photos of IL2 quality. Or blueprints. For reasons
like those and the lack of full data it would have to be something of a fantasy sim
with relaxed standards on the 3D models but still not have to be cartoon, just no way
to say "this is absolutely correct". Even the FM's would have to be mostly conjecture
yet some things are true regardless and... wouldn't such a thing be a creative challenge
to an AE team?

Some things to start with though, is get the data to be used out right up front and then
stick to it. The sim reality would be based on the chosen data and no arguements. If
someone wants to play, they accept the data. There's been enough discussion before that
people do have to nail things down for all but the fanatics.


Neal

crazyivan1970
07-02-2004, 12:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eraser_tr:
Il-2 and FB have been great sims, pacific fighters and BoB so far have looked to be just as impressive.

I've got a suggestion for 1C Maddox Games for a future flight sim: In recent years modern military sims have been somewhat neglected in favor of world war II. I know there is LOMAC, but it has an incredible learning curve and not many nato flyable planes.

With the quality of FB you guys would do an excellent job with a modern military flight sim. There was an old line of great jet sims under the Janes combat simulations license begginging with US Navy Fighters and last with USAF and F-18 several years ago. It may be quite a good idea to try to acquire this license and continue the line(maybe making a jet sim with the scope of Fighters Anthology, but with Pacific fighters quality graphics/flight models) or simply make something similar with your own license http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I remember Oleg answering same type of question back in the day... if i remember correctly his interest to jets doesn`t go pass Korean conflict.

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Flyby_99
07-02-2004, 06:13 AM
I'd love to see a 1C:Maddox combat helo sim. We (rotorheads) have had some good ones -EEAH & EECH- A great JANES LB2- and quite a few also-rans (Gunship! has been nicely modified, and has great tactical immersion). Still, it would be nice to have the Maddox touch in a modern helo sim, especially the correct use of Gunships as part of a Combined-Arms tactical deployment. I can see that multiplayer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Imagine flying a gunship, and talking with your RL gunner, and a team.
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Zayets
07-02-2004, 06:27 AM
If Oleg would do such a sim (jets) I want the early jets,**** jets by today standards.This game would be the undisputed king in the arena.For a good kick you could try SFP1.Does not compare with IL2 but hey,wanna **** jets,here's your sim.

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Zayets
07-02-2004, 06:29 AM
On a second thought, I will very much like to see a WW1 sim from Oleg,this would rule!But yes, korean war should suffice.Damn it Oleg,you made me dependent on proppelers! I reach the stage where I hate jets. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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HalisMojab1
07-02-2004, 06:46 AM
I'd like to see Korean War too. So I've already started making missions with the Full Mission Builder, flying P-80s on CAP against Yak-9Us and Lagg-7s over wintry Korean landscapes (that are actually around Moscow).
It's not completely accurate, because you can't get US markings and Russian markings on opposite teams, but I am flying Shooting Stars against North Korean type aircraft, and that's what it's all about.
Naturally, if Oleg gave us a MiG-15 and an F-86 Sabre jet, and a Korean map, then he'd make a lot of us very happy. But failing that, there is at least a way round it.

starfighter1
07-02-2004, 07:09 AM
hi,
a new step as in the past by
'Mig Alley'(Rowan)...good chance to all dogfighters !
Maybe it could be a separate Addon with advanced BoB game-engine ?

I guess the technology to better quality and performance is the SLI-tec by NVIDIA(re Voodoo 2).
Same at Ati..development in progress.
Anyway :
1) 64 bit OS
2) double Graka PCI-Express/multi monitoring
3) double /or multi CPU
4) EPIC interface
5) advanced Soundtec

a link to this:

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040628/index.html

RCAF_Hawk2
07-02-2004, 07:41 AM
I think the current IL-2 FB engine would be best suited for a ww1 game IMHO . Plus it hasnt been a good ww1 flight sim since red baron 3d.

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butakup
07-03-2004, 05:40 AM
I think a ww1 sim would be just what im looking for Im trying Red Baron 3d with the Full Canvas Jacket patch but would perfer to stay with a ubisoft/madox/olag version. When there is a ww1 room on the loby I join in and use an I153 to have some fun!!!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:
Recon - I agree, because that is still dogfighting. In fact - I would rather see FB's game engine used in the WWI setting than even the Korean conflict. To me, it looks like all we would need is one big map and some Phalz's and some Sopwiths and some Fokkers and some Spads and some windsocks and the sound of the Le Rhone engines etc... Now that would be cool - and all the big pieces of that puzzle are already available.

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heywooood
07-03-2004, 11:28 AM
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Glassess
07-04-2004, 10:24 AM
The two most neglected combat theaters in Flight sims are Korea and Vietnam I think it's due time that there is an attempt of recreating these two by a serious seasoned company like 1c Maddox, that continues the theme of USSR vs US/Nato equipment that I'm sure Olegg and team has available, not only that but it would be made enjoyable as it has been in the past. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HalisMojab1
07-04-2004, 10:26 AM
Although I'm a Korean war aficionado, I do also like fooling around in Biplanes. Seems to me that you could get together a bunch of already-available biplanes and create some missions over Normandy. The Fiat is neat, the J8 also, and the I-53 as mentioned above. Plus I notice there are observation balloons available in the static objects listing, so a bit of balloon-busting could be knocked up fairly quickly, especially as the Full Mission Builder is so easy to use.
It may not be completely authentic, but like a good Hollywood movie, it would capture the mood and deliver the thrills.
Where's the best place to upload these missions when I've built them?

heywooood
07-04-2004, 10:33 AM
here you go (http://netwings.org)



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PBNA-Boosher
07-04-2004, 11:18 AM
I'd go for either a good Korea or WW1 sim!

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pilotjj1
07-04-2004, 11:24 AM
Well, i have the idea of building it into a sort of mega sim over a period of time. The sim will consists of almost all (if not all) theatres and aircraft from WWI, WWII and Korea and maybe some inter-wars conflict like the spanish civil war. Cool?

DuxCorvan
07-04-2004, 04:35 PM
Spanish Civil War.

WW1 and WW2 tactics and technology, all in one.

And LOTS of cool planes to fly.

I'm dying for making a Spanish voice pack myself.

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TheJoyStick
07-04-2004, 06:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Spanish Civil War.

WW1 and WW2 tactics and technology, all in one.

And LOTS of cool planes to fly.

I'm dying for making a Spanish voice pack myself.

- Dux Corvan -
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Ten thousand years of Cantabrian skinning.
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I'd play it...