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Wannabe-Pilot
01-15-2004, 05:47 AM
OK, this is my problem. I'm quite new to the game and I haven't played any flight sims since the good old days of European Air War.Anyway, i need to buy a good joystick, but where i live (Croatia) those come few and far between. I have only USB port available to hook it up, however, most USB joystick are also digital. I'd really like to buy an analog joystick since i heard they are better for flight sims. Is that true? What's the difference in controlling an aircraft with a digital joystick? What do you guys have, analog or digital joysticks? Right now I'm choosing between Logitech Force 3D force feedback, Logitech Extreme digital 3D Pro and Genius MaxFighter F-33D force feedback. Which one is the best?

Wannabe-Pilot
01-15-2004, 05:47 AM
OK, this is my problem. I'm quite new to the game and I haven't played any flight sims since the good old days of European Air War.Anyway, i need to buy a good joystick, but where i live (Croatia) those come few and far between. I have only USB port available to hook it up, however, most USB joystick are also digital. I'd really like to buy an analog joystick since i heard they are better for flight sims. Is that true? What's the difference in controlling an aircraft with a digital joystick? What do you guys have, analog or digital joysticks? Right now I'm choosing between Logitech Force 3D force feedback, Logitech Extreme digital 3D Pro and Genius MaxFighter F-33D force feedback. Which one is the best?

ELEM
01-15-2004, 05:58 AM
Analog would be a backward step. Digital is the way to go as they do not require constant recalibration. I cannot comment on the ones you list, but if you can find a Saitek 3D FF I would highly recommend that. Surely you can buy things on the internet? In which case you can get any stick you like.

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T4T-TheProf
01-15-2004, 06:11 AM
I have the Logitech Force 3D force feedback and it works well, and I recommended it to a friend recently who is completely happy with it as well. It's a very good stick for the price and works very well with FB.

Huxley_S
01-15-2004, 06:25 AM
I recently bought a Saitek Cyborg 3D Force Stick which is a USB digital stick with force feedback and 8 programmable buttons and a twist action rudder control.

It's a decent stick... if a little stiff and the force feedback feels very realistic.

It is also less than half the price of the MS Force Feedback joystick.

Bearcat99
01-15-2004, 10:01 AM
I use a MSFFB.... I would recommend any Saitek stick if you can get one since MS is no longer in the bizz...just dont get the bottom of the line one. When my MSFFB finally dies...(and the spare.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) I may go with a Saitek FFB stick. IMO FFB is a must......but then by the time these sticks of mine go who knows what may be out. My original FFB from 3 years ago is still going strong...my son uses it now for Crimson Skies and IL2.

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SlickStick
01-15-2004, 10:20 AM
Saitek X45

IMO, for $79.95, there is no better stick for FB as far as feel, smoothness of operation, amount of configurable buttons and just all around niceness.

I bought one a year ago, slapped trim on my rotaries and never looked back.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

Hehe, that one's for you RBJ, lol.

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GoodKn1ght
01-15-2004, 11:10 AM
ch fighterstick

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NegativeGee
01-15-2004, 11:33 AM
Well, I currently have a Cougar, which is rather pricy, so I would not recommend it to begin with.

However, a friend of mine just got one of these, Saitek Cyborg Evo:

http://www.saitek.com/uk/images/product/pcp/cyborg_evo.jpg

more at:

http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/joysticks.htm

I thought it was a rather good stick, particularly for what it cost (even if the light up switches are a bit of a gimick). It has a very nice throttle IMHO.

I certainly prefered it to the MS Sidewinder 2 type that I used to own.

Alternatively, the X45 will do just about anything you will ever need of a flight sim controller.

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TheGozr
01-15-2004, 11:43 AM
Yes teh Evo is good just make sure to get the latest driver fix

X45 is good for big handed peoples and you need to get some pedals with it to be able to appreciate..

X45 doesn't have the ruder twist like the EVO.


but my suggestion is to go to a store and try them..

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Heavy_Weather
01-15-2004, 11:44 AM
FFB sticks are OK IMO, but can hender your flying also, thats if the feedback is turned up too high. when flying on servers where the wind and turbulence is turned on, the stick sees this and will cause you to jink all over at lower altitudes. it makes for low altitude shots to be very poor and can also hender landings.

you can find some really good sticks here:
www.saitek.com (http://www.saitek.com)

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SpremeCommander
01-15-2004, 02:32 PM
Don't get a stick. Get a CH Flight Yoke. Those things rule!

SlickStick
01-15-2004, 08:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
Yes teh Evo is good just make sure to get the latest driver fix

X45 is good for big handed peoples and you need to get some pedals with it to be able to appreciate..

X45 doesn't have the ruder twist like the EVO.


but my suggestion is to go to a store and try them..

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/themotorhead_fighters/ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I found the rudder rocker on the throttle unit a bit strange after all the years with a twist rudder, but I've gotten used to the rudder on the X45 now.

With the right setup in the H/W Input section, it's very smooth. I've never tried rudder pedals. Maybe someday.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SlickStick
01-15-2004, 08:09 PM
And you know what they say about those guys with big hands and big feet......



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Sturmtrooper
01-15-2004, 10:33 PM
Saitek Cyborg 3D FFB
My MS FFB2 was gettin' old.
I put over two years on it and it finally started showing it's age .
Too bad they don't make them anymore .
I got the Saitek and it ain't too bad .
Force Feedback is a must !!!!!!!


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Wannabe-Pilot
01-16-2004, 02:06 AM
Well I can't exactly buy over the Internet since Croatia is not a member of EU. The custom and handling charges for electronic merchandize are awfull, i'll end up paying twice as much (I just bought LOTR DVD Special Edition online so I know). Besides, I really want to pick up a stick and see how it fits in my hand and how it moves before I buy. And I can't do that over the Internet.
I think I could get a Saitek Cyborg Evo it's available in stores here. But it's not a FFB stick... is FFB really worth it?

tenmmike
01-16-2004, 02:14 AM
i got a msffb2 about 2 months ago...i dont know i flew with out it..makes hard turning and detection of stalls ..so nice......good luck and welcome to IL-2 FB

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