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elhispanoo
03-22-2004, 09:34 AM
Hi, i know that when a city was attacked, they turned off street lights, but in il-2, if you play on the night in quick mission builder for example, there are no lights in cities, and could be very pretty see from far small points of lights in the horizon or when you are flying at 7000m see villages an cities iluminated.

[This message was edited by elhispanoo on Mon March 22 2004 at 02:32 PM.]

elhispanoo
03-22-2004, 09:34 AM
Hi, i know that when a city was attacked, they turned off street lights, but in il-2, if you play on the night in quick mission builder for example, there are no lights in cities, and could be very pretty see from far small points of lights in the horizon or when you are flying at 7000m see villages an cities iluminated.

[This message was edited by elhispanoo on Mon March 22 2004 at 02:32 PM.]

AcesHigh_AVG
03-22-2004, 09:41 AM
During the war all cities had mandatory blackouts when night came around. They did this whether they were being attacked, going to be attacked, or could be attacked. In other words there was a black out every night until the danger of airstrikes was long over.

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03-22-2004, 10:14 AM
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elhispanoo
03-22-2004, 03:17 PM
People hadn´t got lights ON into their houses ?
Vehicles always go through the country in absolute darkness ?

If the tanks go in no danger mode, the commander of the tank go with his head out of the tank and with lights ON, in the momment that tanks suspect some danger, they turn off tehir lights and commander go into the tank.

I see that in some games like operation flashpoint and is logical

ASH at S-MART
03-22-2004, 03:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elhispanoo:
People hadn´t got lights ON into their houses ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Correct

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elhispanoo:
Vehicles always go through the country in absolute darkness ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Correct

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elhispanoo:
If the tanks go in no danger mode, the commander of the tank go with his head out of the tank and with lights ON, in the momment that tanks suspect some danger, they turn off tehir lights and commander go into the tank.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Kind of correct.. Tanks had filtered.. ie lo light head lights

But what does any of this have to do with your ogrinal question about city lights? ie stree lights? As *they* noted.. it was black out, thus no lights.. Now if that is too much for you to acept.. delete the game off your hard drive.. But before you do.. ask yourself.. on the scale of things to worrie about.. Dont you think this falls pretty low on the list?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elhispanoo:
I see that in some games like operation flashpoint and is logical<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Operation Flashpoint? They quote history and you quote Operation Flashpoint? PLEASE!

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SeaFireLIV
03-22-2004, 03:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elhispanoo:
People hadn´t got lights ON into their houses ?
Vehicles always go through the country in absolute darkness ?

If the tanks go in no danger mode, the commander of the tank go with his head out of the tank and with lights ON, in the momment that tanks suspect some danger, they turn off tehir lights and commander go into the tank.

I see that in some games like operation flashpoint and is logical<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They`re exactly right.
Civilians in homes are not the same as tank commanders in the field. People would HAVE `black` their windows and/or use no lights. The point is NO light must be visible at all to the air. And they lived with it. Vehicles did indeed travel without lighting (those that had to), remember there weren`t THAT many vehicles in those days.

If your country was in fear of an air attack I guarantee your Country would have the same rules. It doesn`t matter how silly or unimaginable it may be to you, it WOULD happen. And if you think, `I wouldn`t do it`, there would be SEVERE penalties for lighting up your home or driving down a street with lights on when ordered not to.

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SeaFireLIV
03-22-2004, 03:49 PM
Ash_Smart is correct. Quoting from a game to prove a point in reality is no good. Real military commanders would not have lights on in the battlefield either.

PraetorHonoris
03-22-2004, 05:04 PM
@ elhsipanoo

Have you ever seen pictures of Dresden, Hamburg or Cologne at the end of war?
Look at these pics and you'll understand WHY they did not want to make lights.

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/pl004404/index.html

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/685_2/index.html

PraetorHonoris
03-22-2004, 05:06 PM
Damn, does not work!
See these pictures on their Page

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/wk2/kriegsverlauf/staedte/index.html

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/wk2/kriegsverlauf/dresden/index.html

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/wk2/alltagsleben/index.html

hop2002
03-22-2004, 05:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>People hadn´t got lights ON into their houses ?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You had to have curtains or boards thick enough to stop any light being visible outside.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Vehicles always go through the country in absolute darkness ?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Vehicles in Britain at least had covers over their headlights with small slits angled downwards to allow a little light through.

Roads deaths in Britain went up by 50% during the blackout to nearly 10,000 per year, despite petrol rationing that reduced the amount of traffic by 50%.

WWMaxGunz
03-22-2004, 05:30 PM
On US coasts they had blackouts after the subs were known of. I am sure that where the war was hotter they were much sooner.

Houses with lights inside covered windows. People patrolled towns and cities looking for light unblocked and made it be changed.

Not only do you risk being attacked, there is more important to deny the enemy information. Most important is position. Also numbers.

Vehicle lights on military have covers with horizontal slits or paint over most of the front. It is called catseyes even though cat eyes are vertical slits (go figure). No light goes up, the slits are all below center. Very little light goes out and not illuminating ground patches enough to be seen from air or even hill observation positions except by accident, sometimes the ground goes up and that flat, narrow beam can be seen if the driver is too inattentive or lazy to switch off (most drivers).

Driving at night speed is limited. In some cases men go ahead on foot with white rags or strips on their backs or tied to sticks or red-hooded flashlights to lead or direct vehicles.

In a pre-WWII manuevers exercise, George Patton had run his men outside the maneuvers area at night and had them fuel vehicles at civilian gas stations in order to outflank Dwight Eisenhower (long before he became the big cheese commander). In that night exercise they ran with such light limits but pushed for speed. 8 men died of accidents that night, the trucks ran too fast. Patton was pardoned, the men were declared dead as legitimate training losses.

I've always wondered if and how often some lights were set up in bogus locations by the special arms of the intelligence people on each side. It is not something that would be well known. There are and have been such people working the radio nets, patching into land lines when possible and using every means to disinformation as they can or could. They are very effective in general. From my own experience I would say that a lot of cases of friendly fire are directly from those people. Don't ever trust all you see. ;^)


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