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China Flanker 1
08-20-2004, 12:34 PM
is it the 21 u-boat the best ,i think it is the most advanced u-boat in wwii

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China Flanker 1
08-20-2004, 12:34 PM
is it the 21 u-boat the best ,i think it is the most advanced u-boat in wwii

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Egan2.0
08-20-2004, 01:22 PM
The Electroboot was very advanced, no doubt about that, and it shaped the way diesal boats were built for a while - not very long, though, because Nukes came along and thats a whole different ball game.

In his book 'THe Hunters - Hitlers U-Boat war' Clay Blair has some very interesting things to say about the quality of these boats though. There were several major problems with them but whether this was down to the poor quality of matierials and construction towards the end of the war or major design flaws i'm not sure.

I prefer the type 7/41 myself. I thinks it a beautiful looking boat and more than capable of doing a job.

Kapitanleutnant--Martes86--Mix
08-20-2004, 01:33 PM
And I agree with you. Long life the VIIC! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Redwine
08-20-2004, 10:58 PM
The best U-Boot is that wich back home............. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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RedTerex
08-21-2004, 12:27 AM
LOL Redwine I was about to say the same ! I will reciprocate by saying, someone once asked
" whats the best torpedo to use"
I replied
" the one that sinks the ship" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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hauitsme
08-21-2004, 01:41 AM
How about the one with Lifeboats in case something happens and you have to abandon ship?

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hippy-dude
08-21-2004, 02:29 AM
The type 21 was defintly the best sub in ww2 but seen as not many where used I will go with the type 7c because the 7c was the coolest looking u-boat inj the war.

Peace dude lol i love tourmenting hippys

TASKFORCE1x1
08-21-2004, 07:41 AM
Instead of lifeboats for the uboat would be good to have human torpedoes ready for evacuation. Hop in one and go.... LOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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macker33
08-21-2004, 02:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hauitsme:
How about the one with Lifeboats in case something happens and you have to abandon ship?

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real funny

RedTerex
08-21-2004, 06:12 PM
On a well co-ordinated sub with a well co-ordinated crew with a well co-ordinated attack strategy NOTHING should go wrong.

Its all in the skill of the planner, NOT left to chance.

hence why I can start at a 1941 campaign and see my way clear to VJ day in PA SH2 at 95% realistic settings.

cool,,yeah cool I know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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Xanthippus
08-21-2004, 08:51 PM
Well, the Pacific war was always easier then the Atlantic war anyhow, forgetting the problems of making a truly difficult sub-sim. Although of course, i intend no dis-respect to those who fought and died, just a matter of fact that less resources and capability opposed American subs then those that the Germans had to do battle with.

If you have the same ratio in SH3 Redterex, not only will i be impressed, but i shall also write a significant letter of complaint to the designers! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

hauitsme
08-22-2004, 12:14 AM
Comparing the Pacific war and the Atlantic war is like apples and oranges. They were two TOTALLY DIFFERENT wars. Just be glad the U.S.A. put most of their resources into the Pacific theatre, or the Battle for the Atlantic would have ended a whole lot sooner. Germany knew not to get the Americans involved, but after Japan attacked, they used most of the Navy against them in the Pacific.

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Tallaght
08-23-2004, 08:24 AM
'Best' Greman sub would have to be the Type XXI, because of her legacy. In terms of the actual war from a commanders point of view i'd have to go for the Type IXB design. This was the most sucessful design in terms of ships sunk vs number of submarines built. Its greater range/armament/hability compared to the Type VIIC made it a great boat. Also it tended to opperate in under-defended area's during the early war years where the pickings were easy (hence the high scores).

Can we ask the designers to include, if not 'in the box', then the ability to easily Mod other German Submarine designs apart form the ones which actually served (and the ability to generate our own 'dynamic' campaigns----though this might have to wait for a Mod, like the DCG Mod for IL2 Sturmovick: Forgotten Battles). By this i specifically mean the Walter and Kresilauf Closed-Cycle boats which were under development during the war. Anybody who has a copy of Rossler's book U-Boat, will know that the Germans developed many designs whcih never saw service, many of which would have been revolutionary. Contrary to what many believe by mid 1944 the Walter 'test' boats of the Type XVIIA and XVIIB were running well and the majority of the 'gremlins' were worked out, indeed a coastal Walter design, the Type XXVI was in producion at the end of WW2 (none completed by the war's end). Doneitz even took a journey in one of the Walter 'Test' boats and his comments that 'with a bit more courage and persistance by our technical staf we could have had these boats in service 1 or 2 years earlier', are very interesting.

How would you like to undertake a 'fictional' campaign in a ocean going Walter boat, the Type XVIII starting in early 1943? (the design on which the Type XXI was based). Or how about the Closed-Cycle diesel desings which the Germans were working on as a back-up to the Walter system? At wars end they were modifying a Type XVII to the 'K' standard by replacing its Walter drive with a 1500 Shp 16 cylinder E-Boat engine with a Closed-Cycle system, running on stored 400 atmosphere oxygen. Also the Germans had loads of advanced torpedos and sonars under development at wars end and i'd love to be able to try them out in encounters with the allies ASW technology.

Tallaght.

Redwine
08-23-2004, 08:59 AM
Tip XXI was really an advanced sub for his age...........

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