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ATG_BreN
03-12-2004, 01:33 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif He.111H-22 in il2fb http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

[This message was edited by ATG_BreN on Fri March 19 2004 at 01:38 AM.]

ATG_BreN
03-12-2004, 01:33 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif He.111H-22 in il2fb http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

[This message was edited by ATG_BreN on Fri March 19 2004 at 01:38 AM.]

JG26Red
03-12-2004, 01:43 PM
hey! its the ww2 version of the B52 with a cruise missle!! lol

ATG_BreN
03-12-2004, 02:01 PM
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NN_EnigmuS
03-12-2004, 02:44 PM
it will be interested to ha

NN_EnigmuS
03-12-2004, 02:46 PM
to have the He111 H22 in fb but with normal loadout like 2*1000kg bomb etc........
for having a twinengine modern german bomber because those 7.7 suck on He111 H2 or H6 so having only 20mm gun on the 111 will be great hehe

ATG_BreN
03-12-2004, 02:58 PM
This is a thing to ask Oleg. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BBB_Hyperion
03-13-2004, 11:42 PM
The H20 - 22 was used as flying starting Platform for the V1 as the Ground Ramps were overrun by allies.

In AEP there is already a AI docking SPB TB3 this could be used for this Version as well
along with a normal loadout when no V1s are attached.

When it goes for better defensive armament the H16
with 1 x MG/FF, 1 x MG131, 3 x MG81Z would also offer that but without the complains about ai v1 usage.

Also little improvement to Gunner security would be nice .) (Small example from H4)

http://home.t-online.de/home/luftarchiv/waffen/mg17_he111.jpg

Regards,
Hyperion

ATG_BreN
03-14-2004, 05:13 AM
Thanks for your explanations!

IIJG69_Padbol
03-14-2004, 06:18 AM
By the way... It's possible to have some boxes instead of bombs? Just to make Transport mission...

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ATG_BreN
03-14-2004, 06:30 AM
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ATG_BreN
03-19-2004, 02:28 AM
ops

Sto1MAR1MP
05-04-2004, 07:24 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif He.111H-22

NN_EnigmuS
05-04-2004, 09:17 AM
here some He111H20

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Bilder/He111/He111H20R3-1%20KG55.jpg
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Bilder/He111/He111H20-1%20KG55.jpg
http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/heinkel/he111h20.jpg

a He111H16
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Bilder/He111/He111H16-1%20KG55.jpg

He111H16 was masivelly built since autumn 1942 replacing He111H6.engine was jumo211f of 1340hp.max speed was 435km/h.max loadout was 3.2t for a range of 2700km.
there was a R1 version with electrical turret with mg131 and mg 81Z in flank replacing the mg15.

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trebby0
05-05-2004, 12:17 AM
Yes!

Better defensive armament=better survivability online. Now I get shot down when intercepted mostly as feeble 7.9mm do not make much impression.
The improved performance and loadout also add....

Cheers, Trebby

xanty
05-05-2004, 06:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:

He111H16 was masivelly built since autumn 1942 replacing He111H6.engine was jumo211f of 1340hp.max speed was 435km/h.max loadout was 3.2t for a range of 2700km.
there was a R1 version with electrical turret with mg131 and mg 81Z in flank replacing the mg15.

http://www.nnavirex.com/public/enigmus.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but is there any refferences on the interiors? No interiors=no variant.

I didn't manage to get gunners refferences that could be used. Although I started the H-11 (alsmot like a H-16, but with cockpit from H-6) I didn't manage to finish it...maybe in the future, if Oleg has time, together with a Z

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NN_EnigmuS
05-05-2004, 06:38 AM
thanks xanty for answer but is there any big interior differences between those variants expect in gunner position(kind of weapon)if you have H11 cokpit

He111H16 had just different engine porbably it didn't change a lot of instrument panel, and gun are same as He111H11 except for R1 model with electrical turet(who can be as the field modified IL2 in the game as Ai so no data for it).

thanks xanty for all the work you already do for this game and perhaps send to oleg the work you'll made on He111H11 and he'll finish it lol

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xanty
05-05-2004, 07:01 AM
Hi again:

well, the differences are quite great. The cockpit had different instrumenst and new arrangements, with added instruments and functionallity. the bomber's station also changed a bit, and had more stuff quite different to what we have. That will mean re-doing not only new gunner-stations, but also the cockpit...not looking forward to that...

The H-2 and H-6 used the same structure and layout. The H-11 was a slight change in the h-6, with more armor, improved engines, different bomb-racks (quite different, allowing more loadouts and combinations) and had:
*top gunner with Mg131 (about 70% deifferenes)
*Bottom gunner with MG81z (about 50% differenes)
*Side gunners with MG81 and MG81z (on R1) (mainly different guns and ammo locations 20% changes)

The plan was to work on the H-11 which keeps the same cockpit, and add the armor and gunners. Still a big job, which I had no time to finish.

The H-16 didn't have a powered turret. Also, there is no info/resources on that turret at all...

For the He-111Z I only have a pic (low-res) and some descriptions. Maybe we can do an aproximation but all depends on whether Oleg and I have the time for it. I am currently engaged in other important projects, so...

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NN_EnigmuS
05-05-2004, 07:11 AM
thanks for info

the He111H11 sounds good for Fb lol perhaps the works can be finished by the oleg's developpers

what do you start on He111H11?

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Sto1MAR1MP
07-28-2004, 01:29 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif He.111H-22 ?

csThor
07-28-2004, 02:59 AM
I am highly sceptical if there was ever a mass-produced H-22 (there was a rather lengthy article on that in a german model mag years ago). What I think is more that H-16's were modified to fulfill the role of H-22 - fireing V-1's in flight.

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Sto1MAR1MP
07-28-2004, 06:39 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gifhttp://www.il2sturmovik.com/games_elts/pop-up_fb/images/he-111_h-6.jpg + http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/devupdate/1203/grab0006_s.jpg = He.111H-22 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

NN_EnigmuS
07-28-2004, 06:56 AM
will prefer a He111H16 with more defensive gun than a H22(because it was only a v1 carrier version of h16)

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NN_EnigmuS
07-28-2004, 06:57 AM
H20 with electrical turret http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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Sto1MAR1MP
07-28-2004, 07:23 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ok He111H + electrical turret + v1 = He.111H-22 16 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Willey
07-28-2004, 07:56 AM
I'd prefer a H-2 and a H-6 first http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif, then we can talk about the H-11 and H-16 which were already planned by Xanty but Oleg didn't include them, dunno why.

What do we need for a proper H-2 and H-6?

1.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>He 111H-2

Options:
1. Internal bays : 2x 4 ESAC 250/IX
One 4 ESAC 250/IX could be loaded with :
. 4x SC 250 or
. 16x SC 50 or
. 16x SC 70 or
. a combination : 2x SC 250 and 8 SC50/70 for instance.

So loads would be :
. 8x SC 250 or
. 32x SC 50 or
. 4x SC 250 and 16x SC50 or
. 32x SC 70 or
. 4x SC 250 and 16x SC70
. or any combination



He 111H-6

Options:
Three sub variants !!!

1. 1x ETC2000 (left) and PVC1006(right) (first 500 aircraft) or 2x ETC 2000 (501th aircraft and up)
. 1x SC 2500 or
. 2x SC 1000 or
. 2x SD 1400 or
. 2x LMB or
. 2x BSB 1000
(no internal loads)

2. 1x ETC 2000 (Left I think) and 1x 4 ESAC 250/IX
External loads :
. 1x SC 1800 or
. 1x SC 1000 or
. 1x SC/SD 500 or
. 1x SC 1000
Internal load :
The ESAC 250 could be loaded with :
. 4x SC 250 or
. 16x SC 50 or
. 16x SC 70 or
. a combination : 2x SC 250 and 8 SC50/70 for instance.

So some sample loads for the H-6 would be :
1x SC 1800 and 4x SC 250 or
2x SC 1000

3. 2x PVC 1006B (this is the torpedoes carrier version)
External loads :
. 2x Torpedoes<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

2. proper guns arrangement. AFAIK they both also had a gun in the front of the bola, but that's a minor improvement. A vital fix would be to have the top gunner with realistic 360?s. This can be attained by sliding the cover back (to the front of the plane). Of course, he still can't shoot directly at the 12 o'clock position, but isn't limited anymore in 45? l/r or so. This would be realistic.

Sto1MAR1MP
07-28-2004, 08:25 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif electrical turret FW-200C-3U4 is equal at the model "He.111H-22 16"?

jagdmailer
07-29-2004, 12:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
I'd prefer a H-2 and a H-6 first http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif, then we can talk about the H-11 and H-16 which were already planned by Xanty but Oleg didn't include them, dunno why.

What do we need for a proper H-2 and H-6?

1.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>He 111H-2

Options:
1. Internal bays : 2x 4 ESAC 250/IX
One 4 ESAC 250/IX could be loaded with :
. 4x SC 250 or
. 16x SC 50 or
. 16x SC 70 or
. a combination : 2x SC 250 and 8 SC50/70 for instance.

So loads would be :
. 8x SC 250 or
. 32x SC 50 or
. 4x SC 250 and 16x SC50 or
. 32x SC 70 or
. 4x SC 250 and 16x SC70
. or any combination



He 111H-6

Options:
Three sub variants !!!

1. 1x ETC2000 (left) and PVC1006(right) (first 500 aircraft) or 2x ETC 2000 (501th aircraft and up)
. 1x SC 2500 or
. 2x SC 1000 or
. 2x SD 1400 or
. 2x LMB or
. 2x BSB 1000
(no internal loads)

2. 1x ETC 2000 (Left I think) and 1x 4 ESAC 250/IX
External loads :
. 1x SC 1800 or
. 1x SC 1000 or
. 1x SC/SD 500 or
. 1x SC 1000
Internal load :
The ESAC 250 could be loaded with :
. 4x SC 250 or
. 16x SC 50 or
. 16x SC 70 or
. a combination : 2x SC 250 and 8 SC50/70 for instance.

So some sample loads for the H-6 would be :
1x SC 1800 and 4x SC 250 or
2x SC 1000

3. 2x PVC 1006B (this is the torpedoes carrier version)
External loads :
. 2x Torpedoes<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

2. proper guns arrangement. AFAIK they both also had a gun in the front of the bola, but that's a minor improvement. A vital fix would be to have the top gunner with realistic 360?s. This can be attained by sliding the cover back (to the front of the plane). Of course, he still can't shoot directly at the 12 o'clock position, but isn't limited anymore in 45? l/r or so. This would be realistic.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Willey,

In your #1 loadout list for He 111H-6 you mention SD1400 ie. 2 X SD 1400.....you probably meant PC1400, right ?

AFAIK, there was no SD1400.

SD bombs in that weight range were available in 1000kg and 1700kg, ie. SD1000 & SD1700.

PC bombs (armour piercing) in that weight range were available in 1000, 1400 & 1600 Kg. ie. PC1000, PC1400 & PC1600.

We were supposed to get an SC2500 with AEP in March. Xanty made most of the larger Luftwaffe ordinance in last fall and sent to Oleg in October 2003, including SC2500. Do not know what happened with that one.......

The upcoming Jippo's/Dietger's/Hammerd's Ju 88A has a 2 X PC1400 loadout. I am just hoping that Oleg will at least make that ordinance available for the Ju 88 and all other bombers that could carry the PC1400 and that we have in the sim. Ie. He 111 (2 X PC1400), and Ju 87D (1 X PC1400) at least.

....we are still missing:

SD1000
SD1700
PC1000
PC1400
SC2500

Also, I am still hopeful for those:

Panzerblitz I
Panzerblitz II
Air to Air rocket launchers for late Gustavs.


Cheers,

Jagd

jagdmailer
07-30-2004, 09:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
will prefer a He111H16 with more defensive gun than a H22(because it was only a v1 carrier version of h16)

http://www.nnavirex.com/public/enigmus.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Enignmus,

Just so you know, I have already asked Shark/Xanty for an He 111H-16 about 8-10 months ago and he said no. He was busy on other stuff at the time, ie. A-20s.

Do not know if he would reconsider, but my guess is no.....
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Jagd

Sto1MAR1MP
08-16-2004, 04:42 AM
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NN_EnigmuS
08-16-2004, 05:28 AM
yup i ve asked xanty too but said he had no time even to finish He111H11
as i already said perhaps someone can take the work already made on it

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jagdmailer
08-16-2004, 09:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
yup i ve asked xanty too but said he had no time even to finish He111H11
as i already said perhaps someone can take the work already made on it

http://www.nnavirex.com/public/enigmus.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doubt it. Most talented modellers have spent the last 8 months spending away precious time on ugly pregnant crates for PF, so we basically lost that time window. Oleg himself even said he was not sure what was going to be done with the Italian planes that were already completed, so don't hold your breath.

Jagd

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BigganD
08-16-2004, 10:31 AM
This would be reallyy cool if they added it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ....a must !

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Sto1MAR1MP
08-16-2004, 12:43 PM
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Sto1MAR1MP
01-26-2005, 02:35 AM
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Ruy Horta
01-26-2005, 05:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by csThor:
What I think is more that H-16's were modified to fulfill the role of H-22 - fireing V-1's in flight. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Manfred Griehl supports this view in his He111 book.

Vipez-
01-26-2005, 07:04 AM
I think most H-6s allready had Twin MG81s as defensive armament.. Am i right ?

ANd modeller left them out, due to lack of time to model the mg81s..

Philipscdrw
01-26-2005, 05:53 PM
I would love to see a late-model He-111 in the game, can't they just use the gun turret from the A-20 and B-25? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

jagdmailer
01-26-2005, 06:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vipez-:
I think most H-6s allready had Twin MG81s as defensive armament.. Am i right ?

ANd modeller left them out, due to lack of time to model the mg81s.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doubt it.

AFAIK, MG81Z first appeared on the He 111H-11 where it had the single MG15 on the rear of the gondola replaced by an MG81Z (dual barrel).

He 111H-16 also introduced MG81Z in the sides firing positions along with other defensive armement inprovements such as MG131s.

MG81Z, along with most ofther guns for that matter is available from many modellers, so I also doubt it was not included in the H-6 just because a modeller got lazy or something like that.

Jagd

avimimus
01-27-2005, 03:57 PM
I have seen many photos of Ha-111H6 aircraft with an MG-FF in the nose And an MG-FF in the foward gondola while carrying very large assymetric bombloads.

I think this "train-busting" H-6 would make a great addition as an AI aircraft!

avimimus
01-27-2005, 04:09 PM
I was well convinced by Xanty that the H-11 is a much better choice then the H-16 or H-22.

He was also working on a Z version though he did not have enough info.

The biggest losses for the Heinkels are in my opinion:
1. The lack of a fixed rear gun in the H-6
2. The lack of supply containers
3. The lack of AI or flyable versions with MG-ff
4. The lack of an H-11

Maybe another modeller could solve this?
I know Xanty (bless his soul) was willing to let someone take over.

jagdmailer
01-27-2005, 04:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by avimimus:
I was well convinced by Xanty that the H-11 is a much better choice then the H-16 or H-22.

He was also working on a Z version though he did not have enough info.

The biggest losses for the Heinkels are in my opinion:
1. The lack of a fixed rear gun in the H-6
2. The lack of supply containers
3. The lack of AI or flyable versions with MG-ff
4. The lack of an H-11

Maybe another modeller could solve this?
I know Xanty (bless his soul) was willing to let someone take over. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, Xanty was looking at taking over the Me 410 or the Hs 129 either flyable, but he had to declined the Me 410 because there was more work to be completed than anticipated and I do not know what happened with the Hs 129. Perhaps he is working on it ?

Bless his souls indeed.

BTW, doesn't the H-6 we have now have a MGFF in the nose already ?

Jagd

Vipez-
01-29-2005, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by avimimus:
I was well convinced by Xanty that the H-11 is a much better choice then the H-16 or H-22.

He was also working on a Z version though he did not have enough info.

The biggest losses for the Heinkels are in my opinion:
1. The lack of a fixed rear gun in the H-6
2. The lack of supply containers
3. The lack of AI or flyable versions with MG-ff
4. The lack of an H-11

Maybe another modeller could solve this?
I know Xanty (bless his soul) was willing to let someone take over. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, Xanty was looking at taking over the Me 410 or the Hs 129 either flyable, but he had to declined the Me 410 because there was more work to be completed than anticipated and I do not know what happened with the Hs 129. Perhaps he is working on it ?

Bless his souls indeed.

BTW, doesn't the H-6 we have now have a MGFF in the nose already ?

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes