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TooCooL34
03-28-2004, 02:12 PM
Planning to buy new LCD monitor. (19", 25ms response time. It had best review in view angle, color, and price.)
Anyway, best resolution for it is 1280x1024 I heard.
But at default install, FB(AEP) has no 1280x1024 res support.
Can I make it supported by adding some command line at certain file? I read it somewhere.
One more Question, would it provide correct screen? I don't want any distortion. It should show wider screen in vertical compared to 19" CRT 1280x960 res, not stretched vertical. Am I getting it right?

I don't care much about response time. Who knows? Maybe motion blur would make it easier for me to find dots. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Plz don't recommend another CRT. I got to see lots of texts and LCD is far beyond CRT in it.

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TooCooL34
03-28-2004, 02:12 PM
Planning to buy new LCD monitor. (19", 25ms response time. It had best review in view angle, color, and price.)
Anyway, best resolution for it is 1280x1024 I heard.
But at default install, FB(AEP) has no 1280x1024 res support.
Can I make it supported by adding some command line at certain file? I read it somewhere.
One more Question, would it provide correct screen? I don't want any distortion. It should show wider screen in vertical compared to 19" CRT 1280x960 res, not stretched vertical. Am I getting it right?

I don't care much about response time. Who knows? Maybe motion blur would make it easier for me to find dots. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Plz don't recommend another CRT. I got to see lots of texts and LCD is far beyond CRT in it.

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Full real but limited icon, minimap path and spdbar.
You can expect something, since I run the server myself. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

jtasker
03-28-2004, 02:13 PM
You want better response time.. don't be in denial about that it makes a HUGE difference..

Dell makes a 20.1 inch FP2100 or something along those lines.. it supports 1600X1200 at 60Hz native and has a 16ms response time.. it runs about $700.oo US on eBay new

Lav69
03-28-2004, 02:27 PM
You are wrong dude. LCD is not for gaming, yet.It draws polygons slower or something like that and causes blurring. I think you are making a mistake.

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VMF-214_HaVoK
03-28-2004, 02:28 PM
CRTs are far better for gaming then LCDs. And at half the price I could not see a reason for going LCD unless you really really needed extra deskspace.
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arcadeace
03-28-2004, 02:31 PM
You can make it work with the correct command line. I have a 17' LCD (16ms) and its one of the best investments I've made, FB play's beautiful. No more eye strain. Many here have LCD displays. A respected member stated his 25ms worked fine, but its your choice.

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Lone_Wulffe_CR
03-28-2004, 02:37 PM
I used to fly on a LCD that had a 16ms response time... don't listen to those nay sayers that have no clue as to what they are saying.

The Dell I don't know about but NEC also makes a nice LCD with a 16ms time.

Very nice indeed.. less strain on the eyes is one of the nicest advantages.

The ONLY time I ever noticed any shadowing was during very fast scrolling of a text document. Even then it was not noticeable unless you actually knew what you were looking for.

My main screen for flying now is a 32" plasma.. but with my matrox card I am now using the 19" LCD and its twin http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif for my side views.

I will never go back to CRT for any reason.

But.. this is just my opinion, take it or leave it.

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TooCooL34
03-28-2004, 02:41 PM
Wow. My peanuts got shrunken. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My main screen for flying now is a 32" plasma.. but with my matrox card I am now using the 19" LCD and its twin http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif for my side views.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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TgD Thunderbolt56
03-28-2004, 04:00 PM
I switched to a Samsung 192N 19" LCD and haven't regretted ot a bit. Sure all the purists will say LCD's aren't for gaming and maybe they're right, but the new Falcon Northwest Mach V (their flagship btw) comes with a NEC LCD so maybe they're right.

All I can say is this, I got mine for the larger viewable image, smaller desktop footprint, lower energy consumption, less heat output. I've gotten all of this and less eye strain to boot. I'm a happy camper.

In fact after about 6 months of using it, I'm getting the Samsung 213T to replace it...so there.



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TooCooL34
03-28-2004, 04:19 PM
Both of them are 25ms, right? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyway, WHAT'S THE COMMAND LINE TO GET 1280x1024 RES???? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thunderbolt56:
I switched to a Samsung 192N 19" LCD and haven't regretted ot a bit. Sure all the purists will say LCD's aren't for gaming and maybe they're right, but the new Falcon Northwest Mach V (their flagship btw) comes with a NEC LCD so maybe they're right.

All I can say is this, I got mine for the larger viewable image, smaller desktop footprint, lower energy consumption, less heat output. I've gotten all of this and less eye strain to boot. I'm a happy camper.

In fact after about 6 months of using it, I'm getting the Samsung 213T to replace it...so there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Christos_swc
03-28-2004, 04:40 PM
If you want gaming performance and are on a budget go for a CRT.
If you have lots of money and want an eye friendly screen that's good for games go for a good LCD.
If you want the ultimate gaming experience and have lots of money the CRT is your #1 choice.
If you have lots of money there's lot of good stuff to buy that won't let you down be it a CRT or LCD.
Money talks and bulls*it walks.

adlabs6
03-28-2004, 06:54 PM
I have owned two brands of LCD monitors. My first had a response time of 25ms, and the new one has a response time of 20ms. If there is a difference, I don't see it, it's THAT small.

Yes, you can edit your IL2/FB conf.ini to have 1280x1024, I do this myself. While the menus are still showing at what looks like 1280x960, with black bars on top and bottom, once in game, the screen is a full 1280x1024, no black bars, and looks splendid to me. I run FB, LOMAC, and FS2004 all at 1280x1024 with no distortion.

I love my LCD, way better than CRT for me.

Now, having said that, consider very carefully the following: You MUST go to a store where you can look at LCD monitors in person, and judge for yourself. Ask the sales person if any of the demo PC's have a game, any game on them, to play to judge performance.

I say this because there are people that will swear up, down, left, and right that an LCD is terrible because of the response time, and that prevent them from playing games.

I say again, I don't see these problems. Maybe it's kind of like that ATI "better image qualtiy" thing... I can see some slight differences between some drivers in uncompressed still images... but not at 35fps in a game, where most of the textures that are "better" are only on the screen for less than 10 refreshes or so. Maybe it's there, but I personally can't see it.

Check for yourself. And ALWAYS buy from a retailer that allows for returns WITHOUT any restocking fees! This is critical!

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adlabs6
03-28-2004, 06:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TooCooL34:
Anyway, WHAT'S THE COMMAND LINE TO GET 1280x1024 RES???? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

TooCooL, here is the lines to edit in your conf.ini file:

width=1280
height=1024

and this one:

SaveAspect=0

Again, my menu's are letterboxed, but not the game, which is amazing at this rez on my LCD.

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TooCooL34
03-28-2004, 07:00 PM
Thank you, adlabs6.
That's the answer what I wanted. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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SwingerSpecial
03-28-2004, 07:15 PM
Dell doesn't make anything - they order components from other manufacturers and slap their name on them. I'd find out who actually makes that particular LCD before purchasing.

Also, especially with monitors, never buy one sight unseen. Go to a store that sells the monitor you want and just take a good look at it, use the monitor for about 15 minutes if you can. Some monitors may look good at a first glance but after a while might make you feel like your eyes are bleeding. Also, especially with LCD's, try them at the resolution you plan on running - there will be differences between them, just how great are they depends on the monitor in question.

Gyre1
03-28-2004, 08:28 PM
"Now, having said that, consider very carefully the following: You MUST go to a store where you can look at LCD monitors in person, and judge for yourself. Ask the sales person if any of the demo PC's have a game, any game on them, to play to judge performance. "

Adlabs has it right. You need to go to the store and check out how the LCDs work with games. If you get to that point, you'll know whether whether you and the current line of LCDs are compatable. I did it last year and decided that even the most expensive LCDs weren't there yet, at least for me. I think that each of us must perceive the same things differently for there to be still such a divide on the subject of "ghosting".

I still got my eye peeled 'cause I want a sexy 20" myself but am very aware of ghosting, my bad.

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Chuck_Older
03-28-2004, 08:34 PM
I loooovvvveeee my NEC MultiSync LCD 1765

I don't know squat about respomse times but it's such a clear picture, and it doesn't hurt my eyes after hours of use, and it works fine with FB and any other game (Mafia, GPL, JK2, H&D2) that you would have to pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

Actually I like it so much you'd have to pry it from my cold undead fingers, because my Zombie wouldn't want to lose it either.

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RicknZ
03-28-2004, 10:46 PM
LCD screens kick CRT screens when it comes to strategy games such as civ3 etc.

As for 3D games i still prefer my CRT though my LCD has a slow response time.

VW-IceFire
03-28-2004, 10:56 PM
LCD's are the future eventually...CRT's are definately on the way out but not quite just yet. I'll hang onto my 17in CRT for a bit longer...the LCD's reduced eyestrain and other features are fantastic but the ability to change resolutions is still important to me.

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VonKlugermon
03-29-2004, 11:41 AM
Viewsonic is claiming their VP201 LCD doesn't do the "ghost" image routine. (16ms response time.) I've had good luck with their CRTs, but no experience with LCDs. Best advice is what was posted above, try before you buy.

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RxMan
03-29-2004, 02:28 PM
You can use different resolutions... My 19" NEC is native 1280x1024 but runs fine at several more resolutions. The panel just has to do more work interpolating, which probably slows down response time, but I have not noticed the difference. I use to set my conf.ini as stated above but I noticed one thing, even in the game there is a loss at the top and bottom. The background shows fine but I think some of the objects disappear just before the edges of the top and bottom. This is probably a function of the game itself being limited to 1280x960. So I just run the game at that res and I see no difference, nada, zero...