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F19_Olli72
03-21-2004, 07:15 PM
I just tried qmb with FiatG50 against Hawk75's, dang that plane is a worse deathtrap than the Zero! The slightest hit around the engine area will set it ablaze and in a few seconds it will explode. But, before posting in ORR i think i have to test it some more. But out of 8 Hawks at least 5 were set on fire by very short bursts from the Fiat G50s peashooterguns without previous damage. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif Seems something is borked. I wonder if anyone can confirm this? I mean if the FiatG50 does that to the Hawk i feel sorry for it when going up against VVS fighters.

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F19_Olli72
03-21-2004, 07:15 PM
I just tried qmb with FiatG50 against Hawk75's, dang that plane is a worse deathtrap than the Zero! The slightest hit around the engine area will set it ablaze and in a few seconds it will explode. But, before posting in ORR i think i have to test it some more. But out of 8 Hawks at least 5 were set on fire by very short bursts from the Fiat G50s peashooterguns without previous damage. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif Seems something is borked. I wonder if anyone can confirm this? I mean if the FiatG50 does that to the Hawk i feel sorry for it when going up against VVS fighters.

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F19_Ob
03-22-2004, 09:35 AM
I got the same results.
Ohh those crazy Finns! I told them not to experiment with fuel and alcohol.And to store dynamite under the cowlings bcause off the lack of space....I told them ....crazy...but did they listen? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

El Turo
03-22-2004, 09:46 AM
For what it's worth, in that "other" simulation, the Hawk75 has always been known to have a glass jaw. One or two hits and it's on fire and going down. Similarly, the D.520 goes down very quickly also compared to the Hurricane or Spitfire.

However, the counter to this is that it has amazing manueverability.

But, as you say, it catches fire with a stern stare-down sometimes too.

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mortoma
03-22-2004, 09:52 AM
Yes, it's far too fragile for a radial engined aircraft!!!

El Turo
03-22-2004, 10:40 AM
True, but there's very little protection for the fuel cells or the pilot, so it's rather easy to kill *IF* you can get a solid gun solution on the slippery bastages..

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horseback
03-22-2004, 11:34 AM
Actually, if I remember correctly, the pilot's only protection to the rear is a fuel cell, at least in the P-36A versions. I would have expected the French or the Finns to have given some thought to self sealing tanks and at least some rear armor plate for the pilot, though...

German descriptions of encounters with Hawk 75s during the Battle of France don't usually describe flamers, and the Wildcats supporting the Torch Invasion shot down a number of Hawk 75s, and they don't mention fireballs either.

Open a new file under "Hawkwhiner."

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AndyHigh
03-22-2004, 02:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
Actualy I would have expected the French or the Finns to have given some thought to self sealing tanks and at least some rear armor plate for the pilot, though...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've read Finns installed pilot armour in fighters which didn't have it, atleast into Brewsters. I would quess Moranes and Curtisses too. Also read that Hawk 75 was regarded as a robust plane.

I also got impression AI P-36 doesn't seem as effective as AI G.50, although they
were quite more effective in real life in FAF. That might also be result of many things like skill of the pilots or number of enemies different squadrons faced, though.