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04-26-2004, 10:35 PM
This is getting frustrating. Even in a 109, which is suppose to be manouverable, I cant keep enemy fighers on my screen. They always out turn me and buzz around everywhere, while i lag behind... and if I pull up on the stick too much when i am rotated in a direction to turn, the aircraft starts shaking and i can stall. What fun.

Are there any tricks i am not utilizing? Should your engine (throttle) be up at a higher % or lower when turning? Should you utilize the rudder?


thanks

04-26-2004, 10:35 PM
This is getting frustrating. Even in a 109, which is suppose to be manouverable, I cant keep enemy fighers on my screen. They always out turn me and buzz around everywhere, while i lag behind... and if I pull up on the stick too much when i am rotated in a direction to turn, the aircraft starts shaking and i can stall. What fun.

Are there any tricks i am not utilizing? Should your engine (throttle) be up at a higher % or lower when turning? Should you utilize the rudder?


thanks

MrMig
04-27-2004, 12:19 AM
BF109 isn't manouverable in sustained turns as compared with vvs fighters. Instead of turning try zoom and boom tactics, cause LW fighters have best climb rate.

horseback
04-27-2004, 12:19 AM
Trim, rudder, and practice! Remember, the AI are always perfectly trimmed, always move their controls smoothly, always conserve their energy and always know where you are and what you're doing (not unlike Santa Claus).

But they are predictable--your AI wingman, for instance, will always be there hiding behind your canopy framing to steal the kill you just crippled or set on fire. But competition makes you stronger. Hang in there, you'll get better than the AI sooner than you think.

cheers

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purzel08
04-27-2004, 12:28 AM
I think that nearly all VVS aircraft turn better than the 109, 190, p51, p47.... .Thats why most of us use the BnZ tactics.
Fly higher than your enemy and attack them in a dive. Use your speed to climb away and repeat your attack if necessary. If you will start turning with the russian aircraft you will not survive very long (especially in online fights). But you may use your flaps to increase manouverability...do not use them too long because you will lose too much speed which is essential in the game.

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Stalker58
04-27-2004, 12:34 AM
AI are actually cheating a little, threre have "relaxed" FM and even AI Fw190 can turn on its wingtips consistently. Just don't play "their" game, don't follow them blindy, rather try to point your nose to where they're are predictably heading and made them a history.
One warning though: don't be thinking that in processs of fighting AI you are getting well prepared for fight againts REAL opponents online.ONLINE=diffrent game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

04-27-2004, 12:54 AM
ok thanks for the info http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

but how does adjusting the throttle affect your turns? When doing some searching people say they adjust throttle during tight turns... can someone shed some more light on this? (i remember reading something about it somewhere)

thanks

Dmitri9mm
04-27-2004, 12:59 AM
I almost never fly offline simply because I find the AI to be no real challenge at all. Exept for the higher AI level's ability to place a single shot right in your radiator on the first pass, I have always found it very easy to get of the enemys back.
Just forget about the sustained turn dogfights regardless of the plane you are flying, engage in an ernergy fight, and sooner or later you'll come out the winner every time!
I have beaten the **** out of late model Yaks and 109s in a B-239.
My advise is that you try flying the P-47, that will teach you to win a dogfight without even turning your plane around.

EDIT: This applies only when you're flying against AI. Flying online is a quite different (and much more intertaining)experience!

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WUAF_Badsight
04-27-2004, 01:00 AM
how about YOU pratice & come back to the forum & tell all the secrets that you have learnt http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

MrMig
04-27-2004, 02:54 AM
Usually I decrease throttle just before initiating a turn and increase it when speed drops. If you are going long sustained turn at lowest speed possible, keep your throttle at max and combat flaps down. Also use trim and rudder to tighten and speedup your turn.
And keep in mind that every ac has its own unique turning characteristics - some fighters better turn at low speed, some at high.

SeaFireLIV
04-27-2004, 03:32 AM
This really is down to knowing your plane and the enemies.
`Know YOUR plane and you`ll win 50% of battles. Know the enemies plane you`ll win 50% of battles. Know yours AND the enemy plane you`ll win 100% of battles!`

Or something like that. Basically, you`re flying your 109 wrongly. You need to use the tactic of BOOM and ZOOM with those planes to be really effective. They can`t turn with most Allied planes cos Allied planes are designed to out turn you. Once you get really good with a 109 it IS possibly to even OUTTURN some Allied planes, but you are not at that stage yet.

As for trying to outturn an enemy plane as an Allied pilot, it`s easy. In my Spitfire, I16, lagg3 I can usually take on about 2-3 AI of varying levels (although they can be a challenge, especially if one decides to go high then come down on you- Boom and zoom!). I often slowdown in a turn and sometimes use flaps at a critical turn point to get that momentary edge, then shoot!

You can see already by the length of just my post that explaining how to dogfight just AI is not quick or simple in its answer.

Basically:

1. KNOW your aircraft. Find what turns best (usually Allied). Axis planes with the exception of the B239 and the Axis Hurricane, can`t really turn fight. If you want to turn fight take a B239.

2. PRACTISE, practise, practise! If you think AI`s too good now, you`re in for one heck of a shock when you take on Human Beings. They may not be perfectly trimmed, but theysqueeze every ounce of ability out of their rides - far tougher to fight than AI (competent Humans are anyway).

Good luck, pilot.

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T_O_A_D
04-27-2004, 03:34 AM
Do you drive a car?

If so you know that slowing down alows for a tighter turn, correct?
Same in the air if you go too fast your turn will be wider. Cutting the throttle will slow you down a shade to tighten turn. You will need to get back in the throttle though once you have achive the turn your after. If not you will loose to much energy and making you a target.

In a car you can take a turn too slow all your life, But only once too fast!
Not so in airial combat, speed is the key. Its better to keep speed up and not turn and make another approach. Provided your in a safe area an no other bogies ar tracking you. Then its another game all to gether.
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ok thanks for the info http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

but how _does_ adjusting the throttle affect your turns? When doing some searching people say they adjust throttle during tight turns... can someone shed some more light on this? (i remember reading something about it somewhere)

thanks<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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VW-IceFire
04-27-2004, 07:29 AM
The AI doesn't usually get full turn speed out of the plane they are flying anyways.

The 109 isn't really considered manuverable...the later models certainly no. The Emil was supposed to be close to a Spitfire in turn yes (and it essentially is) but even then not a sustained turn.

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