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Abbuzze
09-17-2004, 01:55 AM
Maybe cause of the small things...

If you fly a 109 and got a single hit in the canopy BETWEEN your head and your reararmour (checked this with arcade=1) you get this funny bullethole in front of you.

http://mitglied.lycos.de/p123/bilder/Revischuss1.jpg

But I wouldn´t say it´s cause the artist who made this damadgeskin dislike the 109, maybe it´s cause he hate his job,... who knows...

We also have many subvariants of the 109, some of them were modelled later and got another cockpit- early 109 for example.
So this poor man was called to his chief who told him to made another cockpitdamadgeskin for the 109- I think at this point he tought to hate his job is not enough- He started to hate his live, and wanted to show this the whole world, especially the 109 drivers....
http://mitglied.lycos.de/p123/bilder/Revischuss3.jpg

I also think he worked on the P63 cockpit at the beginning, cause I saw a screen witht the cockpit and a bullethole right in the middel of the crosshair- Did this hole made into the game???

The most funny fact is, VERY seldom a 109 cockpitdamadgeskin apears WITHOUT this bulletholes behind the Revi/gunsight. Hmm maybe if the virtual bullet hit the frontscreen- who knows...

Also very nice fact, the mounting of the gunsight in FW 190 seems to be very weak, cause it simply bends under high g-forces- I don´t believe that while I´m rolling my FW and been hitted from a straight 6 a bullet can pass my reararmor, my head and hid the gunsight without hurting me...

Ok now i feel a bit better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif - Enjoy the bulletholes!

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Abbuzze
09-17-2004, 01:55 AM
Maybe cause of the small things...

If you fly a 109 and got a single hit in the canopy BETWEEN your head and your reararmour (checked this with arcade=1) you get this funny bullethole in front of you.

http://mitglied.lycos.de/p123/bilder/Revischuss1.jpg

But I wouldn´t say it´s cause the artist who made this damadgeskin dislike the 109, maybe it´s cause he hate his job,... who knows...

We also have many subvariants of the 109, some of them were modelled later and got another cockpit- early 109 for example.
So this poor man was called to his chief who told him to made another cockpitdamadgeskin for the 109- I think at this point he tought to hate his job is not enough- He started to hate his live, and wanted to show this the whole world, especially the 109 drivers....
http://mitglied.lycos.de/p123/bilder/Revischuss3.jpg

I also think he worked on the P63 cockpit at the beginning, cause I saw a screen witht the cockpit and a bullethole right in the middel of the crosshair- Did this hole made into the game???

The most funny fact is, VERY seldom a 109 cockpitdamadgeskin apears WITHOUT this bulletholes behind the Revi/gunsight. Hmm maybe if the virtual bullet hit the frontscreen- who knows...

Also very nice fact, the mounting of the gunsight in FW 190 seems to be very weak, cause it simply bends under high g-forces- I don´t believe that while I´m rolling my FW and been hitted from a straight 6 a bullet can pass my reararmor, my head and hid the gunsight without hurting me...

Ok now i feel a bit better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif - Enjoy the bulletholes!

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F19_Ob
09-17-2004, 03:29 AM
if U think its bad.....U are welcome to join me flying il-2's and hurricanes.
U will soon fall in love with the flaws of the 109 again. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Fennec_P
09-17-2004, 05:39 AM
You have to show the oil splash too!

Extreme_One
09-17-2004, 05:49 AM
I wasn't expecting that.

Funny!

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Curseur
09-17-2004, 05:56 AM
extra whining I have ever seen here. It's so boring and ungrateful http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif!

Monty_Thrud
09-17-2004, 06:32 AM
Who are C1?...are they a Sqdrn?...if so maybe they are an Allied Sqdrn and they're not supposed to like the LuftWaffie http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif



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Jumoschwanz
09-17-2004, 06:35 AM
I always enjoyed the bulletholes that appear in the 109 and 190 cockpit after a few light hits. It is a cool effect and of course it does not match where the actual hits are because the damage model is not that sophisticated.
I mostly fly the sim online late at night and have to fly with no sound so I don't keep anyone awake(wife). So usually when I see the holes start to appear in my windscreen or my guages dissapearing in the 190 I know it is time to make a move. A light hit that triggers this effect in the cockpit often does nothing to the performance of the plane and I have landed countless times with these holes.

jUst another cool feature of one of my favorite pastimes. In Bob I hope they have more stuff like this. S!

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Von_Zero
09-17-2004, 06:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumoschwanz:
I always enjoyed the bulletholes that appear in the 109 and 190 cockpit after a few light hits. It is a cool effect and of course it does not match where the actual hits are because the damage model is not that sophisticated.

But they could have been placed in a more credible positions...

I mostly fly the sim online late at night and have to fly with no sound so I don't keep anyone awake(wife).

ahem... http://www.agawampublicschools.org/technology/headphones.jpg

So usually when I see the holes start to appear in my windscreen or my guages dissapearing in the 190 I know it is time to make a move. A light hit that triggers this effect in the cockpit often does nothing to the performance of the plane and I have landed countless times with these holes.

one thing tough... if you were hit anywhere that area, your next thing damaged might be either the pilot, either the engine...

jUst another cool feature of one of my favorite pastimes. In Bob I hope they have more stuff like this. S!

as an effect, yes it is cool, but if they would have been placed nicely, it would have been awesome. even more if some VVS planes would have got it...

Jumoschwanz<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Jumoschwanz
09-17-2004, 06:54 AM
Well all the planes were done by different poeple. That is why the detail level is different on all of them. They are still each a work of art, and we are all very grateful that these poeple spent their time, often for not much reward, to bring us these planes. It is one of the great features of the sim to be able to climb into some of the oddball planes we have whenever I get bored, and go up against four or more La-7s in some beautiful turd like the g-50 and pepper thier a$$es. Thanks all! S!

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TgD Thunderbolt56
09-17-2004, 07:00 AM
I'll take the bullet holes, but that Oily windscreen...yuk.


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Abbuzze
09-17-2004, 07:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Ob:
if U think its bad.....U are welcome to join me flying il-2's and hurricanes.
U will soon fall in love with the flaws of the 109 again. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmm using a mudmover as a fighter- yes that not easy...! But which problem do you have in a Hurri?
It`s a good plane if you use it vs an Emil, and If you have problems vs a 109F... that is like it should be in real life! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

To Monty Thrud:
Take a look at the lower left corner when your il2/FB is starting... It´s (C1) is the company of Oleg Maddox which developed this game!

But maybe you are right and C1 is more an allied Squad! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Nice idea and conspiracy theory!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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F19_Ob
09-17-2004, 09:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Abbuzze:

hmm using a mudmover as a fighter- yes that not easy...! But which problem do you have in a Hurri?
It`s a good plane if you use it vs an Emil, and If you have problems vs a 109F... that is like it should be in real life! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Well...I like the hurris and the C version with the cannons and the russian fieldmodel with cannons isnt bad at all because of the cannons.

The mg equipped versions cant compete with a 109e in anything really and although it is possible to shoot down a 109 sometimes its by bounce and some luck in initial positioning wich could happen with a bomber aswell.( sometimes its even possible to shoot a fighter with a bomber, but unlikely)

I have especially concentrated on these earlier hurris to try to get the best out of them . I used to fly the 109 solely before and know that I can in many situations even outturn the hurricane although it for a very limited time period can turn with a 109.(hurri loses energy quickly)
Sometimes for fun I just fly away from hurris in level flight giving them a few secs of firing without evading. By doing this I have been badly hit but mostly just fly away without damage and worries.

So...a bf109e can out-accellerate, outspeed in levelflight, outclimb, outdive, often outturn, outroll and outgun the early hurricanes.
The 109 can engage and leave at will, even damaged (Hurris cant).

I have flown I vs 1 with an equally skilled pilot for endless sorties and a 109 pilot who knows what he is doing just cant have too much trouble with one hurri, (occasional bad luck yes or make mistakes)
It is really a great challange to fly the Hurricane under these conditions. (fun too)

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This historically correctness however impacts the gameplay on the servers I fly on in a negative way nowadays.

The relation between the hurri and 109 is so obvious there ( on F16) and on one map with only hurris and Bf109e's many just quit flying hurris and go to other team and fly 109's instead, or leave the server. (hard to get them to stay)
Even if there are stukas or bomberguys in the beginning of the map they soon switch to the 109 aswell because they were the only planes the reds can claim ( and do)
Its not unusual with 8-10 hurricanes against 18-20 Bf109e.

I was showed the stats for that mission and it looked like this.
http://f16.mine.nu/missionstats.php?id=20

As soon as u add cannons to a hurri the chances increases, not to turn or get away, but to damage or shooting down a foe.

I will still hope for some more mates to show up on the hurri side...thats where I'll be.
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Plz note that I'm not trying to say anything bad about the 109 (it was my baby) I guess I just like cr@p-planes more now. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[This message was edited by F19_Ob on Fri September 17 2004 at 08:35 AM.]

Extreme_One
09-17-2004, 09:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Abbuzze:
...

To Monty Thrud:
Take a look at the lower left corner when your il2/FB is starting... It´s (C1) is the company of Oleg Maddox which developed this game!

But maybe you are right and C1 is more an allied Squad! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Nice idea and conspiracy theory!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Er....no its not. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif It's 1c I think Monty was being sarcastic. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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LeadSpitter_
09-17-2004, 03:47 PM
man look at the p51 oilspash, the p47 site that falls off from one hit still, the p38 that is easier to kill then a airballon and gets outran by the bf110g2 with 75 fuel p38 with 28 fuel

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Copperhead310th
09-17-2004, 03:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
man look at the p51 oilspash, the p47 site that falls off from one hit still, the p38 that is easier to kill then a airballon and gets outran by the bf110g2 with 75 fuel p38 with 28 fuel

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LeadSpitter_
09-17-2004, 04:31 PM
I mean still when flying the 109 you have the ability to fight and aim when oilspashed and bulletholes just fine.

But when you have a thick black engine smoke trail you cant becuase theres thise smoke circle in front of the aircraft which obscure the site. like the oilspash alone does the the us birds. Now russian ac non of them catch fire fast when thick black engine smoke, and they certainly dont explode in 5 seconds into nothing from a 2 second fire and you have full visability even with an oil spash too flying the russian birds. So rather then just crying for 109s get them all fixed.

remember when all 190 sites fell off from one except the F9 they have all been fixed but i still see it happen to the jug too often.

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3.JG51_Stecher
09-17-2004, 05:48 PM
I don't think that I'd call this being able to aim just fine.

http://flygirl.dnsalias.com:8080/jg51/Bf-109splatter.jpg

This is what the Mustang gets. And it is a little worse.

http://flygirl.dnsalias.com:8080/jg51/P-51splatter.jpg

The thing is, the Mustang has both its oil tank and a hydraulic tank right in front of the cockpit on top. The 109F-K has the oil tank all the way up by the spinner. The one that suffers the worst is the Spitfire though. It gets oil splatter and its oil tank is UNDER the engine. Try to explain that one. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif
Certainly there are still some cooky things going on with many planes, but one of them is not the 110 outrunning the Lightning. C'mon, the P-38J 57 km/h faster.

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Red_Russian13
09-17-2004, 05:52 PM
Oil on any windscreen is annoying. I wish I could reach out and wipe some of it away! I can't hit anything without it, so with it, I might as well just go back to base.

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Abbuzze
09-18-2004, 03:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Russian13:
Oil on any windscreen is annoying. I wish I could reach out and wipe some of it away! I can't hit anything without it, so with it, I might as well just go back to base.

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The problem is- oil on the windscreen is realistic... the damn bullethole behind the gunsight isn´t!!!
Oil on the gunsight isn´t necessary out of the oiltank, it´s also possible that you got an enginehit on the top of the engine... beside the 109 had a system to spray fuel to the windscreen and clean this window from oil... hmm only one of the features which is missing in il2- the possiblity to cut of a hit radiator from the coolantsystem would be nice to- but I will not complain - FB is a good game!

And sorry! It´s real 1C!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif My fault!!!

To the Emil vs Hurri story- yes it´s not an easy life in a Hurri, like it should be, but If you see your enemy you can avoid a hopeless situation.. without the 20mm he is in trouble cause the Hurri is a sturdy plane, also even if he zoom away from you fire some nice bullets at him one of them will make him a nice bullethole in front of his gunsight! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
It´s not easy to survive, but possible... and I´m saying the same about 109G6 vs SpitIX!!

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ploughman
09-18-2004, 05:57 AM
What isn't modelled is oil from the plane you just hosed with your .50s spraying all over your windshield as you fly through it's wash.

rummyrum
09-18-2004, 09:19 AM
Oil on the windshield = time to go home not look for targets http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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p1ngu666
09-18-2004, 10:48 AM
109 u can still aim fairly well
spit u cant and some others too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

109 had oil pipes and stuff up top, these on latewar 109s often failed. and i think the oil tended to stick too.

fossil fuels are nasty things btw

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Multimetal
09-18-2004, 11:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Russian13:
Oil on any windscreen is annoying. I wish I could reach out and wipe some of it away!
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I'm trying to remember which, but I know that either the 109 or the P51, or maybe both, had a small tube that would squirt fuel onto the windscreen to wash oil and other debris off the windshield. That would be cool to have in the game! That's another level of realism that would be hard to model, though. I know that planes diving from high altitude to warmer air down below also had problems with the canopy icing up, in Anderson's book he loses a kill because of this. I can hear the complaints now-"109 ices up faster than LA7! Ice in FW190 obscures the gunsight! I have a chart that proves that Russian canopies became bulletproof when covered with ice! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Daiichidoku
09-18-2004, 01:33 PM
I have a pic of the 109 windshield cleaner in action..several jets along the bottom of the glass of AV gas. maybe not a good idea to use sprayer when on fire!....but certainly AV gas should be able to cut oil on the3 windshield, assuming there is no more oil being applied to it


I guess while this thread seems to be on, or has taken on the guise of a "this game is pro-russian, and/or anti-usa/brit and german...

Is it just me, or is there sometime funny about the size of the La7?...I mean, I know it wasnt a huge type by any means, but when I see it as I get closer to it in a df, it seems to stay much smaller in size than any other type....

a Yak is small, be sure, but I see its size increase eveny as I get closer to it..same as any other type....maybe im crazy, but the La7 seems to stay relativly small until im right on top of it, instead of a gradual size increase, it stays smaller until all of a sudden, when your up very close does it reveal itself at its true size

I know it sounds stupid, but does anyone else notice this?

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