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LuftLuver
02-17-2004, 06:23 PM
Is n00bs attracted by non-historic guns of FW190 A9...or what? What I am sure is sincere whineing coming from our former proud 190 communitie.

Seems the 190 was experten, our numbers was fewer and more brave. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Now many say, "Please Oleg make my 190 climb as teh wind and turn as Yak. I will not fight at high meters, please make changes for low fighting." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Today is 190 driver who will not remember the old IL2 type machine and is now asking for easier and easier fixes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I worry now as ever for new added-on. We now leave our damage protection to enter upon realistic and more 190 will fall easier. I see more whine than as ever.

Learn craft in our beauty machine or maybe become Yak3 fighter. Please new and old 190 communitie friends, please do not give wrong image to our fly opponents.



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LuftLuver
02-17-2004, 06:23 PM
Is n00bs attracted by non-historic guns of FW190 A9...or what? What I am sure is sincere whineing coming from our former proud 190 communitie.

Seems the 190 was experten, our numbers was fewer and more brave. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Now many say, "Please Oleg make my 190 climb as teh wind and turn as Yak. I will not fight at high meters, please make changes for low fighting." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Today is 190 driver who will not remember the old IL2 type machine and is now asking for easier and easier fixes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I worry now as ever for new added-on. We now leave our damage protection to enter upon realistic and more 190 will fall easier. I see more whine than as ever.

Learn craft in our beauty machine or maybe become Yak3 fighter. Please new and old 190 communitie friends, please do not give wrong image to our fly opponents.



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VW-IceFire
02-17-2004, 07:11 PM
Not sure I'm understanding all of it but I think I get the general gist.

Right now I'm perfectly happy with the 190 except for the damage model. A single round into the wing is not going to cause substantial wing drop and drag. Right now it can do that...thats a problem. A complex DM is going to be great for those of us who are used to being knocked around in a 190 and then fighting the controls and realizing that further combat is futile while our wing is dragging us down so much we're going to fly into the ground. But...Oleg is doing a complex model...I suspect that will be great.

The 190 shouldn't climb like a rocket or perform amazing feats...and I think a decent proportion of people have been 190 flyers all along (I have been). Its kind of unfair to lump all of us into the "I want my plane better so I can do better" when there are some who are simply interested in legitimate historical accuracy as close as can be made and an even playing ground when it comes to complexity in modeling. Don't misunderstand serious and legitimate concerns for simple complaints.

Apparently she doesn't climb properly...but its not too bad and it shouldn't destroy anyones ability to fight with the plane. Except in the short range DM server where getting off the ground and to altitude in record time is a requirement.

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Vladimir_No2
02-17-2004, 07:18 PM
If I could decipher your spelling, I would be moderatly insulted. Your generalizations are incorrect and you simply insult instead of making your point in a civilized manner.

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LuftLuver
02-17-2004, 07:34 PM
My apology is English not my best. I am now in US school so improvement is one day.

I try to ask new 190 driver to respect the 190 machine and not cry for it's perfecting.

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frag_bravo
02-17-2004, 07:52 PM
Whom is crying.I like the brid.The butcher bird.It has great guns I feel like a gunslinger in it.My thoughts are,If you need to complain about something then your only solution should be to learn how to fly it,or pick up the mod quailifcations,and mod your own bird.

HH Quazi
02-17-2004, 08:04 PM
I think I understand even though your writing skills are a little off. You are referring to new 190 pilots, right? You must be because the 190 vets are quite formidable in that ac. I don't fly Luftwaffe planes regularly, but when I do, I fly a 190. It has a solid feel to me. Hang in there on the English. You will improve. I've heard ir is the hardest language to learn. Good luck to you. S!

kyrule2
02-17-2004, 08:25 PM
What Icefire said.

And most 190 drivers agree that it is not so much the 190 needs improving as other planes need to be more historically accurate. Mainly in terms of climb and roll. And nobody asked for the 190 to turn like a Yak so go easy with the overdramatization. I've learned the craft quite well and I do remember the old Il-2 days when the 190 flew like a Greyhound bus so I am grateful for how far we have come but some of the others have a ways to go in the other direction http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

And I disagree that new complex DM will make 190 fall easier. For those who are proficient in the Focke-Wulf know that no more wings falling off from 2 rounds at 600m and no more drastic drop in performance from extremely minor damage will make the 190 harder to down. As it is 80-90% of the time I get shot down it is a wing failure with little damage so I welcome the complex DM with open arms.

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Sturmtrooper
02-17-2004, 09:35 PM
Oleg , you don't fool me !
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02-17-2004, 09:48 PM
I'm a HUGE Fw 190 fan, and I hardly ever fly the A9. The A9 appeared in small numbers at the very end of the war and suffered from engine problems constantly. (flame on, fanboys, I don't give a damn)

I like to fly historic airplanes. The A9 is in the same category as the Ta-152 and the MiG-3U.

My favorite 190 fighter is the A8. It's faster up high than the A5 and the armor comes in handy against bombers.

The F8 is a fantastic low altitude ground attack plane, and it has enough pep to pull a few turns against enemy fighters without getting in a bad situation.

The earlier models A4/A5 are fantastic too, considering when they were available, although I don't care for the outboard MG/FF guns. If I had my druthers every single A4 and A5 loadout would have an option to remove the MG/FFs.

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LuftLuver is absolutely right about the attitude of most online pilots.

A stereotype:
Online pilots don't climb.
Online pilots don't communicate.
Online pilots don't understand BFM.
Online pilots don't understand ANY aeronautics.
The average online pilot flies at at treetop level directly to the enemy base and proceed to play "QuakeBirds" until the last man is left standing.

So, bad pilots, does that describe *you*? Does it offend you? If so, ask yourself why you feel offended, then remedy the problem. I garuantee the problem does not lie with Oleg's simulator.

Zen--
02-17-2004, 09:50 PM
What IceFire said.

What Kyrule said.


I've been in the 190 since march of 2002. I'm no experten but I've seen the plane go through some major changes. I've said it many times, I'm happy with the plane, never ask for anything to be improved with it...if you flew it back then, you can sure as hell fly it now and succeed.

Somethings need tweaking and the complex DM is a sorely needed improvement, finally on the horizon. Wish the gunsight view was better, but it gets the job done anyway, no complaints.


I don't think the community is whining to get the plane into an uber turner, I think most of the FW drivers make valid points for things that need correcting. I'm a D9 pilot most of the time myself, I think it's the best modelled plane in the game but it's by no means uber and I'm fine with that. Wouldn't want it to be one smitten better than it was supposed to be, whats the fun in that?

I fly the FW series because to me they are the most challenging planes to fly...they have awesome performance but you have to know how to work them to get it, it doesn't just pop out of a box all magic like.


My only comment on your post is that you might have taken a softer tone, and perhaps spent more time researching the kinds of 'whines' people are making. I really don't think the majority of FW drivers are asking for anything more than a slight tune up where needed, except for a newly arrived FW preacher who seems to have all the facts -- all wrong. Other than that, I think the group is pretty much on target.

S~ and apologies if I myself come across harshly, that is not my intention.

-Zen-
Formerly TX-Zen

kyrule2
02-17-2004, 10:25 PM
What Zen said also.

And cosmo if you were such a "HUGE" 190 fan you would know that the A-9 is far from the Mig-3U (only 6 built) and the Ta-152. The A-9 was used in significant numbers with an entire gruppe re-equipped with them in '44 (not '45) and other operators as well. The A-9 also participated in significant numbers in the Bodenplatte operation. The A-9 is hardly a "what-if" type plane, so try to get the facts straight next time.

Btw, being arrogant with comments like "flame on fanboys, I don't give a damn" and assuming everyone flies like a newbie is a good way to pi$$ people off. Do us a favor, drop the attitude and be better informed next time you post.

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ElfunkoI
02-17-2004, 10:36 PM
Troll, troll, troll your boat
gently down the stream...

S77th-MOC
02-17-2004, 11:41 PM
lol realy tho i dont know what he is talking about. i rarly see anyone flying the fw. its not realy a noob friendly plane. i have only one prob. with it and thats when ever you get shot even in the body your plane flys like it has one HUGE whole in both wings. i love the plane and i am looking foward to the new one coming out.

LuftLuver
02-18-2004, 12:28 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Thanks those who make allowance with my bad english. Is it my message does not translate very good? Thanks those who helped on that.

Ok, I am happy too for new damages model. The excited landings with oil poured windows and fighting with broken guns is a realistic I wanted in the start.

Thanks Oleg! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Slammin_
02-18-2004, 01:08 AM
I think I get the jist of your post. It is the exact same crap I got tired of hearing whenever I downed the 'wrong' person when flying my A9. Getting accused of being a n00b for flying a plane with so much firepower, as if it took no skill at all in getting a good firing solution in the first place. We all know the FW-A9 has ALWAYS been one of the most difficult planes in IL-2/FB to fly, and definitely one of the hardest to master, and even the best A9 pilots have very little to fall back on once they miss the shot or lose too much speed.

You are a day late and a dollar short but it still bothers me that people want to troll this way.

Fehler
02-18-2004, 01:17 AM
Where is everyone gettin gthis information that Oleg IS doing a complex DM for the 190?

Will it be in the add-on? Oh my goodness, can all my dreams come true? The 110, -and- a complex DM for the 190??? On my birthday ta boot! Sweet!

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F19_Olli72
02-18-2004, 01:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fehler:
Where is everyone gettin gthis information that Oleg IS doing a complex DM for the 190?

Will it be in the add-on? Oh my goodness, can all my dreams come true? The 110, -and- a complex DM for the 190??? On my birthday ta boot! Sweet!

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Fehler, Oleg himself said in post in ORR that "(FWs got complex DM in AEP finally. So you will see all the construction elements modelled, like in most other aircraft.)"

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=659101961&p=3

Doesnt FW drivers visit ORR? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fehler
02-18-2004, 02:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Olli72:

Doesnt FW drivers visit ORR? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, I really dont go there much anymore.

I really got sick of the "Gimme, gimme, gimme" posts.

Or the "I can only get 597 of the listed 599 KPH rating the viewer says, FIX FIX FIX!" posts.

Or the, "I have read a chart on an internet site, so I am now a self-proclaimed aeronautical engineer woarking for NASA." posts.

Or the "I want my pilot to run 15 steps, then take off his left shoe" posts.

Or my all-time favotire, "Show me a track or evidence or chart showing that pilots took off their left shoe after running 15 steps." posts.

So, no.. I dont go over there often. But I am certainly happy with a complex DM for my 190! No more "Made of concrete" planes until hit by the "Magic wing bullet." For that I am grateful, and will certainly buy the add-on! Control s that go out, oil, bullet holes in windscreens, etc. Ahh, it will be great!

(And will bring about a whole new line of whining and entertaining posts!) LOL

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RicknZ
02-18-2004, 02:13 AM
I agree with most comments on this thread (good thread IMHO).

I fully like the fw190 excpet for the wing damage and that damn [swear words] view blocking bar.

My next biggest beefs is the fact most of the other planes are generally uber and easy to fly, dive and climb like a dream.

But in case you missed it in amongst my whining i like the fw190 as is. (needs rocket armaments OKL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

RicknZ
02-18-2004, 02:16 AM
I forgot to mention i personnaly feel that amongst early plane sets the A5 is pretty much in the uber catagory.

IMHO.

F19_Olli72
02-18-2004, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fehler:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Olli72:

Doesnt FW drivers visit ORR? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, I really dont go there much anymore.

I really got sick of the "Gimme, gimme, gimme" posts.

Or the "I can only get 597 of the listed 599 KPH rating the viewer says, FIX FIX FIX!" posts.

Or the, "I have read a chart on an internet site, so I am now a self-proclaimed aeronautical engineer woarking for NASA." posts.

Or the "I want my pilot to run 15 steps, then take off his left shoe" posts.

Or my all-time favotire, "Show me a track or evidence or chart showing that pilots took off their left shoe after running 15 steps." posts.

So, no.. I dont go over there often. But I am certainly happy with a complex DM for my 190! No more "Made of concrete" planes until hit by the "Magic wing bullet." For that I am grateful, and will certainly buy the add-on! Control s that go out, oil, bullet holes in windscreens, etc. Ahh, it will be great!

(And will bring about a whole new line of whining and entertaining posts!) LOL

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Lol, i know what you mean, but i reckon if Oleg can ignore the whining then so can i. Sometimes....just once in a while, there actually are some constructive and informative posts in there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

FW190fan
02-18-2004, 03:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cosmokart:
I'm a HUGE Fw 190 fan, and I hardly ever fly the A9. The A9 appeared in small numbers at the very end of the war and suffered from engine problems constantly. (flame on, fanboys, I don't give a damn)

I like to fly historic airplanes. The A9 is in the same category as the Ta-152 and the MiG-3U.

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There were as many FW190A-9s built as there were D-9s, in fact there were probably more. Some sources list as many as 910 FW190A-9 built and it is basically a 1944 aircraft, entering service in the fall.

In addition, many A-8 and even earlier variants were re-engined(rebuilt) with TS/ powerplants of the A-9 and so you have 2100-2250hp for these machines instead of the vanilla 1800hp that is quoted ad nauseum for the A-8.

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CHDT
02-18-2004, 03:35 AM
Cosmo, if you want to know how the 190 really flew, here are some docs

http://www.pbase.com/chrisdnt

Cheers,

NorrisMcWhirter
02-18-2004, 11:18 AM
Hi,

No complaints from me.

I actually used to find the FW190 easier to fly in Il2 rather than FB which is why, along with the fact that there were so many new planes to play with, it has been a while since I have bothered with it.

However, no complaints about it being "perfected" - it is a (minorly) flawed genius.

Cheers,
norris


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