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JJaguar
06-18-2004, 08:57 AM
Just a quick question, what is the difference between a GvIAP and an IAP?

JJaguar
06-18-2004, 08:57 AM
Just a quick question, what is the difference between a GvIAP and an IAP?

Tooz_69GIAP
06-18-2004, 10:36 AM
An IAP is a "Fighter Aviation Regiment". A GvIAP is a "Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment".

The title of Guards is a honour title for meritorious service. Fighter regiments (perhaps equivalent to "wings" in RAF terminology??) who have performed well in battle, or in defence of a city, or whatever, would be given the title of Guards.

The same would happen for infantry regiments, naval units, etc.

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73GIAP_Milan
06-18-2004, 11:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The title of Guards is a honour title for meritorious service. Fighter regiments (perhaps equivalent to "wings" in RAF terminology??) who have performed well in battle, or in defence of a city, or whatever, would be given the title of Guards.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, indeed....Guard squadrons were considered to be a bit more 'elite'...

My Squadron represents the 73th GvIAP, in honour of Lilya Litvak and all other women who flew in combat during WWII... Just to name an example.. there were alot of squadrons back in those days...

Finding enough info on them is quite hard unfortunately... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Salute and Regards,

73GvIAP_Milan
Formerly known as: Der_Tote_Baron
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73GvIAP Squadron Leader for IL2 Sturmovik

Whatsmypassword
06-18-2004, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Fighter regiments (perhaps equivalent to "wings" in RAF terminology??) who have performed well in battle, or in defence of a city, or whatever, would be given the title of Guards.
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A Soviet fighter aviation division usually comprised 3-4 fighter regiments of about 100 planes.

Whatsmypassword
06-18-2004, 03:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 73GIAP_Milan:

Finding enough info on them is quite hard unfortunately... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
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If you know Russian you may try

http://militera.lib.ru/memo/index.html
http://www.iremember.ru/pilots/pilots_r.html
http://www.airforce.ru/history/index.htm
http://eroplan.boom.ru/bibl/bibl.htm


You can find there more than one hundred memoirs and interview written and given by Soviet aces and air commanders and simply pilots published on-line.

In some books Litvyak was mentioned quite extensively there is a book at militera.lib.ru writtne by a commander who allowed her to fight in a fighetr division. I forget his name but he wrote many intersting about her fighter pilot career.

eXtra_Corrosiv
06-18-2004, 03:23 PM
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73GIAP_Milan
06-18-2004, 05:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>quote:
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Originally posted by 73GIAP_Milan:

Finding enough info on them is quite hard unfortunately...

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If you know Russian you may try

http://militera.lib.ru/memo/index.html
http://www.iremember.ru/pilots/pilots_r.html
http://www.airforce.ru/history/index.htm
http://eroplan.boom.ru/bibl/bibl.htm


You can find there more than one hundred memoirs and interview written and given by Soviet aces and air commanders and simply pilots published on-line.

In some books Litvyak was mentioned quite extensively there is a book at militera.lib.ru writtne by a commander who allowed her to fight in a fighetr division. I forget his name but he wrote many intersting about her fighter pilot career.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif That's just my whole point...i don't know any Russian exept Da, Comrade, Perestrojka, Glasnost and Na Zdrovije (dunno if it's spelt right ^^)....

I'm from the Netherlands, and me and my friends wanted to represent an actual WWII Russian squadron with IL2 Sturmovik Original..
Our first choice was the Alexander Pokryshkin squad, but that was already taken...and since we like girls alot..our choice quickly fell on Lilya Litvak... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Are there no sites on this with english or even german content ?? or can someone translate the most important pieces ? (maybe too much to ask though)....

Salute and Regards,

73GvIAP_Milan
Formerly known as: Der_Tote_Baron
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73GvIAP Squadron Leader for IL2 Sturmovik

Huxley_S
06-18-2004, 05:29 PM
Hello 73rd GIAP http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Whatsmypassword
06-18-2004, 06:56 PM
A brief bio at

http://www.airwar.ru/history/aces/ace2ww/pilots/litvak.html

You may ask somebody to translate it.

Whatsmypassword
06-18-2004, 07:26 PM
Short info about 73 GIAP. Look for the bibliography at the end.

http://www.allaces.ru/cgi-bin/s2.cgi/sssr/struct/p/giap73.dat