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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 10:14 PM
Many people here on this forum seem to have missed something.

They seem to think that because Oleg is making a living, that is money, from his flight sims, he is indulging in something dirty.

They have decided that since he exercises control over his product, art, call it what you will, that he is circumventing democracy.

They seem to be under the impression that Oleg has made some promise to them, that he is bound to deliver what they want irrespective of his own interests.

Apparently the BoB is a non negotiable subject for them and since they hold an imaginary majority share in the company they don't know who the hell Oleg thinks he is.

They hav'nt once considered that Oleg just might feel the BoB a worthy subjct of attention himself, he just might have made the decision because he likes the idea. That he may see it as the begining of something far bigger than IL2.

The BoB engine would have virtually limitless potential compared to IL2, afterall the Russian front could get away with a very limited engine relatively. So Oleg would be free to return to the East or anywhare else if he wanted but on a vast scale.

But oh no, Oleg is not the master in his own house, he's just a pawn of the capitalist conspiracy that loves the BoB.

Poor Oleg what a victim.

But wait, no, not poor Oleg they say, he's a meglomaniac who's out of control, not doing what they say, they've paid there money, and he's obligated for life, he must abandon his 'capitalist' ways and slave away producing free addons and whatever sims they demand.

They must surely see that no amount of moaning, self indulgent cr*p will deflect Oleg.

If he were week enough to listen to people as irrational as them , he'd never have made IL2 in the first place.

The world of flight sims is not a democracy and it's really very sad to see people thrashing about having tantrums because they thought they had rights no reasonable person could imagine.

Oleg did'nt give us rights over his creativity, he gave us IL2 and at a very reasonable price too.

If he decides to jack in Flight sims and make a theme park sim, that is his right, his absolute right and we have no right to launch sarcastic threads about him, or insult him, or call his integrity into question.

So I was looking forward to a Med sim, so I get BoB instead. Well the world has'nt ended, I'm still closer to the Med sim than I was before. I'd wait another year on top if I could have IL2 FB really totally finished with some flyable Russian bombers etc. In the end I will probobly get most of what I want and Oleg is still the best bet to deliver.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 10:14 PM
Many people here on this forum seem to have missed something.

They seem to think that because Oleg is making a living, that is money, from his flight sims, he is indulging in something dirty.

They have decided that since he exercises control over his product, art, call it what you will, that he is circumventing democracy.

They seem to be under the impression that Oleg has made some promise to them, that he is bound to deliver what they want irrespective of his own interests.

Apparently the BoB is a non negotiable subject for them and since they hold an imaginary majority share in the company they don't know who the hell Oleg thinks he is.

They hav'nt once considered that Oleg just might feel the BoB a worthy subjct of attention himself, he just might have made the decision because he likes the idea. That he may see it as the begining of something far bigger than IL2.

The BoB engine would have virtually limitless potential compared to IL2, afterall the Russian front could get away with a very limited engine relatively. So Oleg would be free to return to the East or anywhare else if he wanted but on a vast scale.

But oh no, Oleg is not the master in his own house, he's just a pawn of the capitalist conspiracy that loves the BoB.

Poor Oleg what a victim.

But wait, no, not poor Oleg they say, he's a meglomaniac who's out of control, not doing what they say, they've paid there money, and he's obligated for life, he must abandon his 'capitalist' ways and slave away producing free addons and whatever sims they demand.

They must surely see that no amount of moaning, self indulgent cr*p will deflect Oleg.

If he were week enough to listen to people as irrational as them , he'd never have made IL2 in the first place.

The world of flight sims is not a democracy and it's really very sad to see people thrashing about having tantrums because they thought they had rights no reasonable person could imagine.

Oleg did'nt give us rights over his creativity, he gave us IL2 and at a very reasonable price too.

If he decides to jack in Flight sims and make a theme park sim, that is his right, his absolute right and we have no right to launch sarcastic threads about him, or insult him, or call his integrity into question.

So I was looking forward to a Med sim, so I get BoB instead. Well the world has'nt ended, I'm still closer to the Med sim than I was before. I'd wait another year on top if I could have IL2 FB really totally finished with some flyable Russian bombers etc. In the end I will probobly get most of what I want and Oleg is still the best bet to deliver.

Zayets
10-08-2003, 10:17 PM
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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 10:25 PM
Well put! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 10:37 PM
a) current democracy sucks
b) capatalism is destroying the world

i hope bob will expand rapidly /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Buzz_25th
10-08-2003, 10:50 PM
How did you squeeze so much sarcasm in one post?

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 10:59 PM
il2 and fb are the best flight sims around and bob will be great a sim that is fought ov ma country it will be great bob will be great and if i have got a comp that will run it i will buy it

unless you have certified, verified data and proof of this or have actually flown the planes that stop your whineing!

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 11:14 PM
So much controversy over a game. Remember whos decision it is and who is trying to make a living and let the poor team get on with their work.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 11:24 PM
Thanks for that rousing bit of stone casting.


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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 11:25 PM
I will buy any flight sim Oleg produces, to date there very good! Run reasonably well, and provide emersion I've not found in any other sim. But if there's a since of democracy here than it's Olegs fault! Stop having polls asking what theater of operations we want in the next sim! Stop asking what planes we'd like to see in the next sim! We've been given the since that our input was important! When in reality I think less than 5% of anything here is ever acted on by Oleg, other than flight models. And I look forward to B.O.B,

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 11:29 PM
people say 'not another' BoB sim

but this will be 'the' BoB sim

and anyway whatever he makes, i like

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 11:30 PM
I'ld prefer BoB in 2005 (which is 2007 in GMT) than Uber-FB next year.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 11:32 PM
p1ngu666 wrote:
- a) current democracy sucks
- b) capatalism is destroying the world
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- i hope bob will expand rapidly <

This is one of the more interesting posts here on this entire board. Interesting and probably true. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

For all those that did not know Democracy does not = Capitalism. BTW, democracy died a long time ago. Most so called democracies are Capitalist nations with very limited democractic ideals. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 12:45 AM
Hmmmmmmmm

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 12:50 AM
Since everybody is giving their opinion, I'd say it's a pretty stupid post if you ask me.

Whatever the reason why it's gonna be BoB instead of the med I'm just as disappointed.

And you're closer from the med than before? Says who? At best your a year farther away (2005+1/2 years), the time they make the first add on. And that's if you believe there'll be an addon, and that it'll come only a year after BoB, and that it's actually the med.

Nic

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 02:27 AM
This thread sucks.

Regards,

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 04:15 AM
Funny Post OBOE, lots of great sarcasm. It's almost as fun to read as the sour grapes...

Los

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 04:16 AM
aww come on SkyChimp

hes got a too funny post up the top

I personally was soooo BADLY hopeing for a Korean War sim , but BoB when it gets here will be a Totally Awesome game as well


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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 04:35 AM
I think Oboe has a point. At the end of the day, Oleg's gotta make a living just like the rest of us. And it's up to him what theatre of operations he chooses to portray in his next flight sim.

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 04:56 AM
I think its a pretty decent post too... and says what a lot of people are thinking.....I am one....

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 05:20 AM
I dont care what he makes it should be addons of il2fb a standalone will cut the community in half and most likely be the final nail in fbs coffin like with il2 sturmovik. But then again what does maddog droopy eyes mustach maddox care hes making money on new products

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 08:36 AM
Oboe

Well said!

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 09:37 AM
BlackPhenix wrote:
- p1ngu666 wrote:
-- a) current democracy sucks
-- b) capatalism is destroying the world
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Capitalism inspires creativity for the love (greed) of money. Make a better product, put your competition out of business, hog up the market.... Until someone comes along and does it to you... Truly, that's how things get better.

Without capitalism, you would still be pitching hay into your great-grand-father's horse drawn cart.

You can thank capitalism for being the catylist that ultimately delivered to you the ability to type on a personal computer for others to see on an internet. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Makes me Laugh Out Loud! Kinda like the people that fly in jets, drive around in cars, utilize plastics in everyday life, and throw trash into a bag to be hurried off to a landfill; yet complain about how poorly everyone else treats the environment.

Current democracy doesnt suck.. Agenda and attention seekers that dont hold the same values as the majority, or refuse to bend to the will of that majority, even when in disagreement, are the ones that suck.

Incidently, the United States may have democratic views now, but it was originally formed as a Repulic.. a totally different thing.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:06 AM
The community have expressed many wishes regarding planes, maps and whatever.

Really....wouldnt u say that we already got a lot more than any flightsimcompany have given their customers if u compare with microsoft and others?

After FB I'm unwilling to fly the rest(waste of time)

If oleg is participating in a sim project I'll buy it.

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:16 AM
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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 03:41 PM
Democracy in the modern world is dead and capitalism rules. How? It's easy. See the western world today, the people in power, so-called democratic elected people, are protecting their own home-markets with taxes on foreign products, subsidicing their own export, protecting export with the use of financial policy (de-valuating and so on), putting lower taxes on companies than ordinary people! Okay, tell me that we live in a fair and democratic world?! I thought that capitalism and development included "the lowest bidder wins" choice, but no, it doesn't... We export subsidiced goods to the third world, often goods they could produce cheaper and more efficient but becourse of our modern "democraties" are unable due to unfair competition..
Oh, and I love it!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 05:23 PM
Nonsense.

The reason people are puzzled BOB is the next 1C effort is we already have many of the planes which would be featured in that sim. Where's the novelty in revisting 40-41? From the customer's standpoint, where's the value proposition? OK, technology may improve, making this next simulation orders of magnitude better than what we currently have but that's a theoretical abstraction. And no noubt to realize this new performance level people will nedd to shell out major $$ to upgrade their systems. Not a very appealing prospect.

Beyond those issues, many have expressed interest in the MTO or PTO, certainly more than in BOB, yet Oleg and team have ignored the marketplace, once again.

I'm sick of this "poor Oleg he has to put up with rude whiners crap."

Sure, there are some in here are who rude and ill informed. But there are also lots of extremely knowledgeable posters who have contributed valuable information on a wide range of subjects -- aerodynamics, FM physics, cockpits, engine performance, propeller pitch, projectile ballistics, etc. You name it and there's a decent to excellent thread on it somewhere. So the "man this Forum has gone to the dogs" argument really doesn't hold up.

The crux of the problem is simple -- 1C doesn't take constructive feedback well. Intially, things are decent but then in short order Oleg gets moody and defensive, says "you is wrong" without fully proving his point, then disappears from the forum. There are several instances where this is happened so I won't rehash them.

As a loyal IL2/FB customer, I feel let down. FB never lived up to it's promise. The oft mentioned fixes which were supposed to have happened through patching haven't materialized or have been slow in coming. Now we hear news of a new project. How can one get excited about a new product when the one they just bought remains a work in progress?

1C seems to follow a pattern of moving on to the next thing before perfecting what they've already done or delivering features -- take off dust is a great example -- which fail to address the community's core concerns. Then when customers complain in the forums, Oleg and his team feel unappreciated, get alienated and disappear.

There's a serious disconnet between developer and current customer base on numerous issues -- I wish there were a way to arrest this unvirutous cycle.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 08:56 PM
If Ubi shut down these forums, I would only be happy about not being able to read crap like feiz wrote.

Without getting into everything he wrote, I will just take the following.

QUOTE:
"1C doesn't take constructive feedback well"
"without fully proving his point"

See, this is what too many of you cannot get through your dense, childish, spoiled brains... 1C does not have to listen to us, or answer to any of us.

And do not spout that crap that if they did not listen, they would have no business and go bankrupt. They know what makes a good sim, and they provide that, and they could continue doing so without these forums.

If you did not even know his name, or know who he was, and liked these types of sims, you would still own the original IL-2 and FB. But, if you want to contradict that and say, NO, you would not, then make it easy on yourself and just do not even worry about any future products by Maddox. Of course, we know that will not happen, don't we?

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feiz, and the people like him, are the one's screwing things up. Not 1C. The incestant whining, and stupid anti-Oleg/Ubi/1C remarks, and the beating of the dead horse, even after it is nothing but bones, THAT is why Oleg does not participate here like he use to.

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Some of you act like you run the company and no one is listening to you.

WAKE UP!

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 09:28 PM
jmmoric wrote:
- Democracy in the modern world is dead and capitalism
- rules. How? It's easy. See the western world today,
- the people in power, so-called democratic elected
- people, are protecting their own home-markets with
- taxes on foreign products, subsidicing their own
- export, protecting export with the use of financial
- policy (de-valuating and so on), putting lower taxes
- on companies than ordinary people! Okay, tell me
- that we live in a fair and democratic world?! I
- thought that capitalism and development included
- "the lowest bidder wins" choice, but no, it
- doesn't... We export subsidiced goods to the third
- world, often goods they could produce cheaper and
- more efficient but becourse of our modern
- "democraties" are unable due to unfair competition..


Two things that have never existed:
A) A fair world.
B) A true democracy.

And one thing that will never exist: Fair capitalism.

Does that mean we just throw up our hands and bemoan the awful state of affairs in the world? See the quoted post above for that. No, what it means is that we look at things to see how well they have improved and do our best to continue to improve them.

What was the voting system like in this country a hundred years ago? Was it better than it is today? Do you think there was more regulation of corporations then? Or is there more now? Do you think that there are fewer people who are active participants in capitalism today than there was then?

I'd think that anyone looking at the developement of those things over the last century would have to say that they are greatly improved.

It's easy for people to sit down and dream up the requirements for a Utopian world and put them down in books or "manifestos" or in speeches. And then sit there and whine about how the world isn't perfect. The hard part is dealing with the real world. That means looking at reality and still working to make it better.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:56 PM
I just don't understand, what the blazers some people are on about???

I was talking about democracy not some Americacentric political cr*phttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Capitalism, what the * is that?

What is so hard to grasp? We are talking about someone who simply took the skills he had, went out on a limb as it was hardly a surefire seller and made a product hoping it would sell thus making him relatively well off, with any luck.

So he ran a few polls, so what, since when was that a contract?

People were making things and selling them thousands of years before any moron came up with a word like capitalism.

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Presumably Olegs crew have to certify that they don't feel alienated in their work, that Oleg officially gives the company away so they own their means of production.

You make me laugh, not.

So Oleg made a sim representing a theatre most of you would have sneered at as a boring backwater just three years ago and now you feel he's tied contractually only to do the less well covered theatres.

Now what if Oleg had approached IL2 with a different idea all along.

So he is Russian and it would seem natural for him to make an eastern front sim and he did, but he probobly also considered other theatres and ruled them out.

The eastern front suited his purposes from the start.

Low altitudes (he never did get IL2 to represent high altitude that well did he?)

Small scale engagements obviously require less work to implement etc.

As for this winging about having to go state of the art power wise. I have never had a system that can cope with half the graphics options avilable in new sims I've bought, I take it for granted that a year or two down the line I will upgrade and finally get to see these things anewhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In a year or maybe two, I will finally get to see this fancy water I've heard about, why don't I start dribbling childish insults all over Oleg, why don't I send him a bill for the cost of a Radeaon9800?

Pathetic, pathetic..