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NN_EnigmuS
03-21-2004, 05:34 AM
hi just buy aep and playing it first i want to say a big thanks the new loadout and planes are fantastic but it seems to me that the mk108 is less powerful

i must put 3 or 4 of them in order to destroye a ennemy fighter and i think it s unrealistic because it's the amount for destroye a B17 in reallity lol

anyway it kill a bit the B&Z ability of the german plane because you cannot kill most of the time the ennemy plane in one time so after taht the surprise effect is dead and it s harder to kill it

with 2 mk108 or 3 you ve just a fuel smoke or black one but some plane can keep catching you after that

perhaps am i wrong but we must put more of all ammo on all plane for kill them
some of you said it s more realistic in view of gunfilm but those gunfilm are from american plane most of the time and to me it s normal that .50cal make smoke a plane and take time to kill it but not with a mk108

just my 2 cents(sorry for my poor english)

NN_EnigmuS
03-21-2004, 05:34 AM
hi just buy aep and playing it first i want to say a big thanks the new loadout and planes are fantastic but it seems to me that the mk108 is less powerful

i must put 3 or 4 of them in order to destroye a ennemy fighter and i think it s unrealistic because it's the amount for destroye a B17 in reallity lol

anyway it kill a bit the B&Z ability of the german plane because you cannot kill most of the time the ennemy plane in one time so after taht the surprise effect is dead and it s harder to kill it

with 2 mk108 or 3 you ve just a fuel smoke or black one but some plane can keep catching you after that

perhaps am i wrong but we must put more of all ammo on all plane for kill them
some of you said it s more realistic in view of gunfilm but those gunfilm are from american plane most of the time and to me it s normal that .50cal make smoke a plane and take time to kill it but not with a mk108

just my 2 cents(sorry for my poor english)

CaptainGelo
03-21-2004, 06:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NN_EnigmuS:
hi just buy aep and playing it first i want to say a big thanks the new loadout and planes are fantastic but it seems to me that the mk108 is less powerful

i must put 3 or 4 of them in order to destroye a ennemy fighter and i think it s unrealistic because it's the amount for destroye a B17 in reallity lol

anyway it kill a bit the B&Z ability of the german plane because you cannot kill most of the time the ennemy plane in one time so after taht the surprise effect is dead and it s harder to kill it

with 2 mk108 or 3 you ve just a fuel smoke or black one but some plane can keep catching you after that

perhaps am i wrong but we must put more of all ammo on all plane for kill them
some of you said it s more realistic in view of gunfilm but those gunfilm are from american plane most of the time and to me it s normal that .50cal make smoke a plane and take time to kill it but not with a mk108

just my 2 cents(sorry for my poor english)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Jabo_Tex
03-21-2004, 06:48 AM
Sorry Oleg86 NN_Enigmus did not ask you how to kill a fighter in IL2FB.
(thanks fot your wise tip)

Actually NN_Enigmus asked why in IL2FB fighters use to survive 3 mk108 hit
where in realife one was enough to put it out of action.

NN_EnigmuS
03-21-2004, 07:02 AM
it s strange sometime i hit a plane with mk108 and with one shout i kill him and sometimes i fire on the same piece of the plane and make just poor damage

if you want i ve made a track vs a mustang and i can sand it to you one on 2 on tail,1 on wing and the last on wing too but broke it this time

VW-IceFire
03-21-2004, 08:18 AM
I'm pretty certain fighters have come back from being hit with 30mm cannons. Its not a one hit kill wonder weapon. Its explosive power is impressive but a single hit is surely not enough to destroy a fighter every single time (and sometimes one hit IS enough - just not the falling apart devastation some are looking for).

Not that we can directly apply this but F-86 Sabre's came back with battle damage from Korean MIG-15's...which had a 30mm cannon of sorts. I'm not an expert in the field but all the discussions I've seen suggest that there are no certanties.

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crazyivan1970
03-21-2004, 08:30 AM
Enigmus, on line or off line? That`s the big question.

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JG53Harti
03-21-2004, 08:39 AM
no big differencen betw. on and offline.


i think you speek about PL or delay but same strange things happen also in offline-playing.

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NN_EnigmuS
03-21-2004, 08:52 AM
i flow 99,99% online

i think that with the new german gunsight and the new DM you cannot shoot from middle and far distance with mk108 because you must put 3 or 4 of them in a plane and the new sight just good for close situation

when you are close one mk108 is enought but when you shoot at normal distance it s not enought it wasn't his way before and as i already said it s a bad thing for B&Z abilities

crazyivan1970
03-21-2004, 09:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Harti:
no big differencen betw. on and offline.


i think you speek about PL or delay but same strange things happen also in offline-playing.

MfG Frank<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

butch2k
03-21-2004, 09:03 AM
According to Report 30 from Luftwaffe "Schiesschul" :
2 exploding 30mm round necessary to shot down a fighter
3 exploding 30mm round necessary to shot down a twin engined aircraft
4 exploding 30mm round necessary to shot down a four engined aircraft

Also according to this report :
@100m expenditure of 11 30mm rounds where required to shot down a fighter
@200m expenditure of 34 30mm rounds where required to shot down a fighter
@300m expenditure of 64 30mm rounds where required to shot down a fighter

WWMaxGunz
03-21-2004, 09:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by butch2k:
According to Report 30 from Luftwaffe "Schiesschul" :
2 exploding 30mm round necessary to shot down a fighter
3 exploding 30mm round necessary to shot down a twin engined aircraft
4 exploding 30mm round necessary to shot down a four engined aircraft

Also according to this report :
@100m expenditure of 11 30mm rounds where required to shot down a fighter
@200m expenditure of 34 30mm rounds where required to shot down a fighter
@300m expenditure of 64 30mm rounds where required to shot down a fighter<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

S! Butch!

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Those are averages, right? Like not a formulae?


OT:
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I wonder if it'd be possible to make a really simple table-driven sim with great graphics but absolutely predictable FM, guns and damage? Something with DM logic that says; hit in this spot with X rounds from this gun OR total Y hits from same OR role-playing hits total &gt; Z = kill.

That kind of logic. I mean, it'd have to sell, wouldn't it? Just have different tables for different fan clubs and it'd be whatever is expected?

The FM would always do what is expected, no actual skill involved to get in the way. The tricky part would be special parts to make absolutely sure the wrong planes never ever does anything that would be thought of as outperforming the right plane... I can see that would be a tough one to set up.

Yup, it would have to be a whiner winner and I've seen that at least 100 copies could be sold!


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ajafoofoo
03-21-2004, 11:21 AM
Wow, I didn't know the la7 and yak3 were 4 engine bombers. Learn something new every day.

clint-ruin
03-21-2004, 11:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ajafoofoo:
Wow, I didn't know the la7 and yak3 were 4 engine bombers. Learn something new every day.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is a statistics course in your future.

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LLv26_Mikko
03-21-2004, 09:28 PM
i have noticed that gun effective range is better now. in 1.22 you could easy shoot down any plane from 500m. not anymore. you have to be closer than 200m then the shooting is as powerful as it was in 1.22. This is very realistic. In real life kills beond range 200m were very lucky ones and rare. You can shoot any plane down just whit 1-3 Mk108 hits if you shoot under 200m range.

GvSAP_Dart
03-21-2004, 09:38 PM
I think ALL cannon rounds have been lightened up.

Tonite we hit a 109 with three cannon rounds from a P-39 before it went down.

A 190 can take as many as four or five, if you're not hitting it in the right spots.

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Luftcaca
03-22-2004, 12:01 AM
I have no probs with the 37mm cannon in the Airacobra...just shot down 9 planes in my last mission...

Although I admit the 111's can take several hits before crashing...

as for the Mk108...its still very powerful, maybe a lil less than b4

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Kurfurst__
03-22-2004, 05:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by butch2k:
According to Report 30 from Luftwaffe "Schiesschul" :
2 exploding 30mm round necessary to shot down a fighter
3 exploding 30mm round necessary to shot down a twin engined aircraft
4 exploding 30mm round necessary to shot down a four engined aircraft

Also according to this report :
@100m expenditure of 11 30mm rounds where required to shot down a fighter
@200m expenditure of 34 30mm rounds where required to shot down a fighter
@300m expenditure of 64 30mm rounds where required to shot down a fighter<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is this 50% or 95% probability, butch ?