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FWdreamer
02-05-2004, 05:35 PM
S!
I have been playing FB for quite some time, mostly in the 109, and have recently decided to try and make my new ride the 190. I just have always loved the plane, problem is i cant fly this beast at ALL! I know the basics of the plane and can get her in the air and such. What i need to know how is basic offensive moves that work or defensive techs like the rolling scissors and such like that. Any and all info would be great. If it is pssible if anyone has tracks of using various techniques that would be most beneficial. I have the 1.22 patch currently. Right now i am starting in the a4 and will move on eventually. So please gentelmen and ladies if you have any tips tricks and movies on how to use this butcherbird i would be really grateful.

Thank you
FWdreamer

FWdreamer
02-05-2004, 05:35 PM
S!
I have been playing FB for quite some time, mostly in the 109, and have recently decided to try and make my new ride the 190. I just have always loved the plane, problem is i cant fly this beast at ALL! I know the basics of the plane and can get her in the air and such. What i need to know how is basic offensive moves that work or defensive techs like the rolling scissors and such like that. Any and all info would be great. If it is pssible if anyone has tracks of using various techniques that would be most beneficial. I have the 1.22 patch currently. Right now i am starting in the a4 and will move on eventually. So please gentelmen and ladies if you have any tips tricks and movies on how to use this butcherbird i would be really grateful.

Thank you
FWdreamer

VW-IceFire
02-05-2004, 06:03 PM
Trust me and move on away from the 190A4 and take the 190A5 instead. From what I hear the FW190A-4's shipped to the eastern front were underrated compaired to the ones used on the western front (such was the respect garnered by the Spitfire) so you aren't going to experience the same speed advantages you will in an A-5. SO yeah take the A-5 and here's some tips:

1) Don't get into a turning fight. Use wider circles around the combat area and sweep in looking for targets.

2) Compaired to other planes, you have the advantage in most cases for head on attacks. Its not a recommended tactic but if you find yourself in one...the FW190 has the firepower to sometimes make a difference.

3) Altitude advantage and speed advantages are a must against all opponents.

4) Defensively use scissors (rolling scissors probably works but I've never really tried it) and Split-S to get away from your opponents. Some aircraft will not be able to follow due to your superior roll rate...by the time he's compensated you can roll again and again to keep him off balance.

5) The view is sometimes a little difficult out the front so get used to where your guns are going and you'll be able to shoot without actually seeing your opponent. It'll become natural eventually...

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Korolov
02-05-2004, 06:04 PM
Well, you pretty much use it in the same manner of BnZ as the 109; cept the 190 has better high speed controls and a higher dive speed.

One key thing: never turn. The 190 just won't turn whatsoever. Snaps and stalls if you look at it funny. So, keep going fast and do headon attacks and dead six shots.

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Maj_Death
02-05-2004, 06:33 PM
Never climb in combat either, the Fw-190's are among the worst climbers in FB. If you keep the fight above 500km/h TAs then you should hold the advantage. If you drop below that speed then you're asking for trouble. As has been said, never turn. If you must change heading to avoid enemy AAA or reinforcements then do a very wide turn. This will prevent the enemy from pulling lead on you and catching you quicker. In an emergency, do a split-S, most planes can't roll as fast and even fewer can turn as fast when flying at 550km/h+. Just beware the blackout, that can be a killer.

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kyrule2
02-05-2004, 08:50 PM
Myself and others posted about flying the FW-190 awhile ago, hope this helps.

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kyrule2
02-06-2004, 01:08 AM
...and one bump for FWdreamer.

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michapma
02-06-2004, 01:22 AM
Here is another thread on the 190:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=51110714

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FWdreamer
02-06-2004, 06:43 AM
S!
Thanks gentlemen for the help so much, i have started reading everything. Does anyone have tracks on doing the scissors and split S please, i am a visual learner.

Thanks
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michapma
02-06-2004, 07:11 AM
There are some tracks here:
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/tracks.htm

Don't be discouraged if you don't understand all of them, some involve advanced tactics.

Cheers,
Mike

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JG14_Josf
02-06-2004, 09:14 AM
FWdreamer,

I could us some help too.

I read.

Did you ever hear about the Nowotny Schwarm?

These guys knew how to fly combat with the FW190.

Walter Nowotny, Karl Schnorrer, Anton Dobele and Rudolf Rademacker flew the FW190 and accounted for 524 enemy aircraft destroyed.

I have not found much information on what tactics the Nowotny schwarm employed or which were their favorited maneuvers but something can be learned from these words found in one book: "inseperable companions".

If you really want to learn how to fly the FW190, if you are serious about it, then posting here is a good idea. Reading instructions can help too. Watching tracks may be very helpful. But I have a suggestion for you and only you on this one time basis http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Note the smiley face.

O.K. So maybe my advice is a little better than my humor.

Advice.

Go online.

Hyperlobby is a good way to find other people flying IL2/FB on-line:

Hyperlobby is free thanks to Jiri Fojtasek (http://hyperfighter.jinak.cz/)

Find a good dog fight server sporting a low ping with a lot of players like this one:

Greater Green is free thanks to Sammie (http://greatergreen.com/il2/)

Set a primary goal to keep flying as long as possible.

This is very important. Consider your state of mind. Know and control it.

Fill the gas tank full and be determined to keep flying.

Don't let anyone or anything end your flight early.

If your flight ends early for whatever reason then write that reason down, or better yet use the track recording feature.

Don't repeat mistakes.

On the runway, engine started, look for enemy action in the area before rolling.

Take off and orbit the home base in a climb and continue looking for enemy action.

Continue orbiting home base looking for enemy action until either you reach 3000 meters, find enemy action, or you find another player on your side.

Now comes the important part. This is where you will learn the most.

Follow the other players.

Attack only when everything is in your favor.

Remember the primary objective?

Follow friendlies.

Be inseperable if you can.

Record the tracks and replay them to find out just what went wrong.

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The Maps change too often on the Greatergreen server for me, but that is only because I follow the primary goal objective with serious determination.

FWdreamer
02-06-2004, 09:34 AM
S! Thanks Michampa for the tracks and the great threads. I have one question for anyone who might know, were there any huge changes to the 190 upto version 1.22?

Thanks again!
FWdreamer

FWdreamer
02-06-2004, 09:34 AM
S! Thanks Michampa for the tracks and the great threads. I have one question for anyone who might know, were there any huge changes to the 190 upto version 1.22?

Thanks again!
FWdreamer

Cardinal25
02-06-2004, 09:44 AM
There are some false statements in this thread about the 190.

He is my set of tips:

Alt and speed are tactics for all fighters, the roll rate use is textbook.

Speed is a huge advantage in the 190, as other users have said, keep your speed up.

Should you fail that or get bounced or be fighting an Uber-VVS plane you still have a chance. Although the 190 turns poorly at speed it's low speed turning is fantastic. You can not fight a continuous low speed fight as you'll run out of E but you can fight for a short period. You'll have to be able to nail snap shots and gather your kill quickly but at low speeds in a short time span the 190 is a great DF plane.

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FW190fan
02-06-2004, 09:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG14_Josf:
Did you ever hear about the Nowotny Schwarm?

These guys knew how to fly combat with the FW190.

Walter Nowotny, Karl Schnorrer, Anton Dobele and Rudolf Rademacker flew the FW190 and accounted for 524 enemy aircraft destroyed.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Possibly the deadliest group of four pilots ever put together in a single flight.

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FW190fan
02-06-2004, 09:56 AM
You can hang with any fighter at practically any speed through the first 100-125 degrees of a turn, and often that is all you need.

If you don't turn the bad guy into a cannon induced ball of fire then roll out of the turn in the opposite direction, extend and set up for another pass.

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Huxley_S
02-06-2004, 10:00 AM
How come the Fw190 series all look so different from each other?

JG26Red
02-06-2004, 10:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huxley_S:
How come the Fw190 series all look so different from each other?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ummmm diff engine configs i believe? A1-A4 had the shorter or engine placed back more?

A5-A9 - longer or further up place engine?

Dseries having that inline.... ?? is that correct?

FW190fan
02-06-2004, 10:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huxley_S:
How come the Fw190 series all look so different from each other?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's the difference between the A and the D series.

The A series has the "short" nose with the air cooled radial engine.

The D series has a liquid cooled inverted V-12 in-line piston engine, which is longer than the Radial engined Antons. Hence the term "long-nosed" Focke-Wulf. The D series also had a section added in the rear fuselage that "stretched" the aircraft to offset the center of gravity change created by adding the longer Jumo 213 inverted Vee.

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Zen--
02-06-2004, 10:46 AM
I think we need a sticky on FW flying, a couple of those posts are almost books http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Patience is key for the FW...it's not a great plane to take off and leap immediately into a furball with and if one flies it in the manner of a VVS plane, it will definately be a disappointment.

I like this comment alot:

"Now comes the important part. This is where you will learn the most.

Follow the other players.

Attack only when everything is in your favor.

Remember the primary objective?

Follow friendlies.

Be inseperable if you can."



Well put Josf, that came out very nicely.

S!!

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kyrule2
02-06-2004, 04:07 PM
Agreed Josf, good additions. I like the part about spiral climbing at takeoff around your base, I forgot to put this one in. Spiral climb, grab altitude, then hunt (preferably in packs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ).

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BS87
02-06-2004, 05:07 PM
I fly the A5s just like i fly my P47s. You just cannot dive as fast in the A5, she usually starts to break up around 860 kph.