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Mitlov47
06-15-2004, 01:55 AM
Spent a couple days trying it out, and I'm really impressed. With the right tactics, it's pretty good against other fighters. But it absolutely brutalizes bombers and ground targets. One of the best fighter-bombers out there, no question. With Mk103s, I'd say it rivals the P-47 and P-38 as best ground attack craft in the game.

So what's your favorite model and loadout?

(This thread is dedicated to Franzen)

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Mitlov47
06-15-2004, 01:55 AM
Spent a couple days trying it out, and I'm really impressed. With the right tactics, it's pretty good against other fighters. But it absolutely brutalizes bombers and ground targets. One of the best fighter-bombers out there, no question. With Mk103s, I'd say it rivals the P-47 and P-38 as best ground attack craft in the game.

So what's your favorite model and loadout?

(This thread is dedicated to Franzen)

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WTE_Galway
06-15-2004, 02:01 AM
against bombers ??

a8 .. in wing mk108's

hughlb2
06-15-2004, 02:12 AM
it can carry mk103's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

I had no idea it could, I'm going to go try it out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WTE_Galway
06-15-2004, 02:29 AM
the a8 can take a pair of mk103's in gunpods

i have found in game they do not give the extra punch over the mk108 you would expect (see pic below for the difference) .. possibly less accuracy .. not sure why

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HellToupee
06-15-2004, 02:37 AM
the 4 20mms are perfectly adquate :P, cant see why you would need the mk108s unless for bombers.

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Franzen
06-15-2004, 02:40 AM
Hi EMitton,

I like the 190 with the 103's as long as I don't get stuck in a TnB situation. I find the weight of the 103's to really slow the plane down. It is great when you score a couple of hits though. I love their accuracy, of course I'm comparing them with the 108's. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I can't seem to hit too much with the 108's.

My favorite ride is still the 109G2 or the F4, both with default settings

BTW, when did you change your name?

Fritz Franzen

jurinko
06-15-2004, 02:42 AM
my favourite is A-6, doing very well in 44 servers against Spits and P-51s.

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JG77_Tintin
06-15-2004, 03:38 AM
With the A8, the Rustsatze 2 (R2) replaced the outboard 20mm MF 151/20E cannons with 30mm MK103's each with 55 rounds. The Rustsatze 3 (R3) had an improved (longer barrel) 30mm MK103 in a pod beneath each wing. Saw limited use and was not popular due to extra weight and drag. Personally prefer the F8's for jabo work. Extra bombload and armour plating for survivability on low level operations. Any word on the earlier F2 and F3, which were based on the A5, or are the U3 and U17 versions available on the standard A series of Focke-Wulf?

ASM 1
06-15-2004, 05:05 AM
Default Loadout This one (TA 152) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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Franzen
06-15-2004, 05:28 AM
Yes, I tried the Ta152 online the other night, with default settings. Very lethal weapon. No one could touch me. One pass and they were history. Nice ride. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

Fritz Franzen

Red_Storm
06-15-2004, 05:34 AM
Check my sig to see my favourite ride. Been flying nothing else for years. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FW-190D-9 '45 all the way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Dammerung
06-15-2004, 05:54 AM
I can't fly the FW. At all. I try to make a Turn, and I'm yanking on the stick with a single finger, It moves no more than 3mm back. FW Does a snap roll which turns into a flatspin. Lovely. Slightest elevator pressure you can see vapor trails, any more you spin out. I gotta be doing something wrong.

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ASM 1
06-15-2004, 05:55 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif very nice RS.... did you just change your sig recently - I seem to remember you with another one when we were last talking.... love the D9 too, but the TA is my current fav.

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NorrisMcWhirter
06-15-2004, 06:19 AM
Hi,

The 190 is back on song with the LW cannons fixed; even the offline campaigns can now be played with some degree of success.

You are right, the 190 is brutal and, even though the view is restricted, you have enough ammo and firepower to do a '.50cal' spray and pray on your opponent.

My old fave used to be the A9 with 2x30mm wing cannons but I'm liking the D9 and Ta152 (the latter makes real easy work of P47s) a lot more now they have been "fixed". For '42-'43 servers, I still like the 109G2 but the A6 is very effective.

Cheers,
Norris

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DeBaer.534
06-15-2004, 06:27 AM
jup FW190 is a nice plane. but its quite different to fly than all other planes in il2 i feel (and its my main ride since the old original Il2:Sturmovik). man, it was one of the worst planes these days. I like all A versions, especially the 8 and the new 6 is cool, too. I usually fly the default loadout, sometimes with mk108 when there are bombers or everyone flies newbie planes. The D's are ok, too but i dont fly them very often.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
06-15-2004, 06:28 AM
try the patch V2.02 in a FW they corrected the E bleed and stall speed and the connons and Mgs fire tighter together ,less spread

its a brutal machine now and can pick a fight without a large alt advantage IMO

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Red_Storm
06-15-2004, 06:34 AM
Changed it yesterday-night just before I went to bed ASM. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dammerung, all I can say is to keep practising! It's a very rewarding plane once you know how to fly it! It has an extremely high learning curve, but it's great fun to fly. Good luck! If you have any specific problems, don't hesitate to ask. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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ASM 1
06-15-2004, 07:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:
Changed it yesterday-night just before I went to bed ASM. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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@Norris + DeBaer

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'm liking the D9 and Ta152 (the latter makes real easy work of P47s) a lot more now they have been "fixed". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what did they "fix" - the TA or the P47?... either way sounds good http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif but am gonna wait for the "Official" release http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cheers for this


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HeinzBar
06-15-2004, 07:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:
Check my sig to see my favourite ride. Been flying nothing else for years. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FW-190D-9 '45 all the way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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S!,
Storm, why do you prefer the 45'D model over the 44'D? I find the 44D more capable in my hands. Perhaps, you could enlighten the rest of us FW drivers w/ some tricks to the 45'D?

I waited a long time to see the A6 modeled in FB. Very nice plane, but it didn't gain much over the a5 IMO. Also, they didn't include the mk108 loadout nor the ability to exclude the outer wing cannons w/o adding the bombrack.

HB

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jurinko
06-15-2004, 07:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dammerung:
I can't fly the FW. At all. I try to make a Turn, and I'm yanking on the stick with a single finger, It moves no more than 3mm back. FW Does a snap roll which turns into a flatspin. Lovely. Slightest elevator pressure you can see vapor trails, any more you spin out. I gotta be doing something wrong.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dammerung use different joystick profile in you conf.ini. I have MS Sidewinder 2 and in original IL-2, I was not able to turn anything save Russian planes. All German stuff stalled. Then got the Oleg´s conf.ini and figured out I was missing few lines in the stick profile.. dunno why.

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Locust_
06-15-2004, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:
Check my sig to see my favourite ride. Been flying nothing else for years. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FW-190D-9 '45 all the way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Storm why do you fly 45 model when 44 is much better imo ? Enlighten me!!!???

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
06-15-2004, 08:41 AM
D9 44 is much better where do you got that from ?

the 45 is faster and i think it climbs a bit better

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WUAF_Boxer
06-15-2004, 09:12 AM
The D9 is my main ride and I have only done 1 test between both models. The 45' is 5kph faster at sea level than the 44'. And it does seem to climb slightly faster also. But in IL2 compare, it says that the 44' is superior to the 45' at 3000m plus. But I could not really tell you if that is the case.

Mitlov47
06-15-2004, 09:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
BTW, when did you change your name?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just recently. I've been phasing out the use of my real name on internet forums--too many wackos out there.

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NorrisMcWhirter
06-15-2004, 10:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASM 1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:
Changed it yesterday-night just before I went to bed ASM. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

@Norris + DeBaer

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'm liking the D9 and Ta152 (the latter makes real easy work of P47s) a lot more now they have been "fixed". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what did they "fix" - the TA or the P47?... either way sounds good http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif but am gonna wait for the "Official" release http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cheers for this


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Andrew

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Hi,

They are fixed in terms of the cannon strength, if nothing else; rather than 3x10^8 30mm hits to down a P47, it now only takes a few.

The Ta152 seems a bit more nimble now, too.

Cheers,
Norris

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ASM 1
06-15-2004, 10:30 AM
Oh goody http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif I DO like the sound of that so I do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

S!

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CRSutton
06-15-2004, 10:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dammerung:
I can't fly the FW. At all. I try to make a Turn, and I'm yanking on the stick with a single finger, It moves no more than 3mm back. FW Does a snap roll which turns into a flatspin. Lovely. Slightest elevator pressure you can see vapor trails, any more you spin out. I gotta be doing something wrong.

Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
The whole damn place is full of queers, navigators, and bombadiers...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I had the same problem for years and thought the FW 190 was a total pig and that I was a total idiot (still debating that), but when I switched my Logitech Wingman for a Saitek EVO the 190 became a sweet pussycat. Check your joystick. Post the model here and somebody will help you with the settings. If it is a Wingman-throw it in the trash.

Manreaper
06-15-2004, 11:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red_Storm:
Changed it yesterday-night just before I went to bed ASM. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dammerung, all I can say is to keep practising! It's a very rewarding plane once you know how to fly it! It has an extremely high learning curve, but it's great fun to fly. Good luck! If you have any specific problems, don't hesitate to ask. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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If you don't mind me asking, what do you do when someone gets on your six?
Thanks.

NorrisMcWhirter
06-15-2004, 11:14 AM
Hi,

I could fly the 190 with a Logitech Wingman alright; in fact, I often used to fly it better than with my MS FFB2 if my online kill rate was anything to go by.

You have to be gentle with the *****. Let her vent her fury not with a stalled wingtip but with 2x30mm + 2x20mm + mg combo on some unfortunate victim.

Cheers,
Norris

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ASM 1
06-15-2004, 11:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:

You have to be gentle with the *****. Let her vent her fury not with a stalled wingtip but with 2x30mm + 2x20mm + mg combo on some unfortunate victim.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have to agree http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif got an FFB2 here so cant say much about the logitech - I use PF_Coasties profiles and find my stick makes a difference to my flying now that it is properly set up...

all I can do is repeat what Norris said - be gentle, adding - stay fast!

Enjoy - I do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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WUAF_Boxer
06-15-2004, 12:15 PM
This will almost always work to shake someone off your six if you have a bit of alt. Just dive straight down and at the last moment roll 180 degrees and pull out. The high speed manouverability of the 190 means that no plane will be able to follow it trough that manouver if you push the 190 to its limits. After you pull out, stay on the deck and fly to safety. The other plane will have to manouver to get back on your six and will have lost its E advantage. Simple as that, always works http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

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ASM 1
06-15-2004, 12:21 PM
Good advice - will bear that in mind.....

Nice Sig btw http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Gibbage1
06-15-2004, 02:09 PM
I like the FW-190's. They make better targets then the 109. Bigger, not as fast, not as nimble. Head-ons suck. The Ta-152 is a special target. 95% of the people who fly it online are just dumb and keep it low and try to turn fight. The big wings make nice jucy targets for my P-63's 37mm.

You need to keep them high and fast. Low and slow and your meat unless your in an early version using flaps and employing the famous "FW Flop" were you just jerk the stick around and do impossible flopping manuvers to spoil aim, but only for so long http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I do like the 190 A series myself. Fly it when I fly LW side. I just find that if you get in a situation were you dont have an altitude advantage, there is no getting out unless you have a friend. Also landing them is a bit of a pain. They just dont wanna slow down!!!!!!

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DeBaer.534
06-15-2004, 02:14 PM
well, theyre easy to slow down, just spin it and get out again alive http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
and getting it out of trouble is quite easy, just run making some nice rolls and jumps and rocks and yaws and anything you can do whilst heading home. if shot at from behind it takes a lot of damage. just be careful with the evasives if you have some wing damage. if the enemy plane has no fast firing heavy cannon and is further away than 400 meters youre almost out of danger, if you dont fly straight ahead (or the enemy does a luck pilot kill).

Gibbage1
06-15-2004, 02:23 PM
Thats the FW Flop. No other aircraft in the game does this. Its because the FW-190 is so incredably easy to pull out of a spin. I have had people fly 100M off the ground doing no more then 150kph flopping about like a fish. Stall, recover, stall, recover, stall, you get the hint. All only 100M off the ground and going so incredably slow. I remember trying to stay on the tail of one. I had landing flaps down and I could not fly slow enough and not stall, but this FW-190 in front of me was flopping like a fish and not loosing controle. Its the most lame, fustrating exploit I have ever seen. I have gotten very good at hitting a flopping FW with my 37MM, but its still fustrating.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DeBaer.534:
well, theyre easy to slow down, just spin it and get out again alive http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
and getting it out of trouble is quite easy, just run making some nice rolls and jumps and rocks and yaws and anything you can do whilst heading home. if shot at from behind it takes a lot of damage. just be careful with the evasives if you have some wing damage. if the enemy plane has no fast firing heavy cannon and is further away than 400 meters youre almost out of danger, if you dont fly straight ahead (or the enemy does a luck pilot kill).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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faustnik
06-15-2004, 02:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
The Ta-152 is a special target. 95% of the people who fly it online are just dumb and keep it low and try to turn fight. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought you said good pilots only turnfight? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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DeBaer.534
06-15-2004, 02:28 PM
well, thats lame, never seen it anyway. no reasonable fw pilot would do this, if you bleed your energy in a FW youre dead. are you sure they didnt do it by accident? and hitting a 150kph plane at 300kph isnt that hard, its like hitting a 300kph with 600kph (which i do quite often when im bouncing) only that you have much more time to aim and a larger firing window, more maneuvrebilty.

SuomiPilotti
06-15-2004, 02:29 PM
Fw-190 is great plane, and I think it´s aces plane! So hard to fly, but when u learn right tactics, u are invicible! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Krhm, I like specially A-6 most, when fighting against fighters or bombers, those four 20mm cannons are killers! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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WUAF_Boxer
06-15-2004, 02:31 PM
Actually Gibbage, the 190's are faster than the 109's. That and their high speed handling is 2 of their main advantages over the 109.

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Gibbage1
06-15-2004, 02:36 PM
Turn fight and B&Z are for simpletons. They keep a 3D arial combat in a 2d form because its less complicated. Were a dogfight uses all 3 degrees of freedome flight gives you. This also includes energy fighting. I can regularly out-fly Ki-84's in my P-38 because its a great energy fighter. Im not talking dive down, take your shot and run away like a little girl if you miss. Im talking getting down and dirty and employing combat manuvers with him. A Ki-84 can clearly out-turn me. So for me to take a Ki-84 toe-2-toe I need to out fly him. That takes skill. T&B is more reliant on the aircraft then the pilot. You get into a turn fight and the better aircraft will win, not the better pilot. Of corse a better pilot would not enguage an a turnfight he cant win. I would never be so foolish as to take my P-38 down, match speeds with a slow flying zero, and try to turn fight him. I would keep my speed high and do high slashing moves.

Thats the differance. If you limit your combat to T&B or B&Z, your limiting yourself as a pilot.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
The Ta-152 is a special target. 95% of the people who fly it online are just dumb and keep it low and try to turn fight. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought you said good pilots only turnfight? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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faustnik
06-15-2004, 02:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Im not talking dive down, take your shot and run away like a little girl if you miss. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow! I guess all those P-51 and P-47 pilots were girls back in the war. You learn somthin' new every day. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


The "190 flop" you describe is rediculous. Anyone using that maneuver would be completely out of energy and a sitting duck.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
06-15-2004, 02:53 PM
dont mind garbage ..uhm gibbage sry .... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

hes a troll a Amiwhiner first rank do i need to tell you more ?

Hes the kinda guy that is biased and blaming all the guys with a 109 190 in thier sig cus they all luftwhiners

Im thankfull for what he did but i dont mind him banned together with all Ami/Luftwhiners


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faustnik
06-15-2004, 02:57 PM
Sunburst,

I'm just giving Gibbage a hard time. He jumps in quickly and can get out of hand but, is a reasonable guy after everything is said and done. Don't label him too quickly.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
06-15-2004, 03:04 PM
Ok faustnik this will be my last comment about gibbage
but he did the labeling yesterday about luftwhiners so now its my turn fair enough ill keep it shut http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Gibbage1
06-15-2004, 04:28 PM
I have read many pilot stories and they did not B&Z unless it was a Me-262 landing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif They had to stick with the bomber formations and that ment staying in the fight, not running from it. A great portion of the Luftwaffa kills were "bounces" were the 109's and 190's would dive down on a formation, get there shots in, and dive for the deck. Hartman got almost all his kills in bounces and in his own words he never enguaged an aircraft unless he had an advantage.

The people had REAL life's at stake, and strict orders to follow. If I was in there shoes, I would do the same. But THIS IS A GAME! Running from a fair fight in a game is just chicken. Who cares if you die?

When im online, a dogfight to me is about the pilot. B&Z and T&B take out the pilot factor and its all about the aircraft's ability to dive/climb or turn.

As for the FW-Flop. You only see it whem the pilot is hopeless. He knows he cant run, and he cant fight. So they get low, slow, and flop about twards there base in hopes he buys enough time for his friend's to see his plight and help him out.

Its almost impossible to hit these people when they are doing it. They are so slow, flopping around so much, its just insane. I dont see it nearly as much as I did back before FB. But every now and then I see little spirts of it when I meet a FW up high. I get on them, they flop, stall, and I overshoot. I look behind and they have alread pulled out of the stall and are on my tail spraying wildly. Its more of a desperation move then anything.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Im not talking dive down, take your shot and run away like a little girl if you miss. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow! I guess all those P-51 and P-47 pilots were girls back in the war. You learn somthin' new every day. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


The "190 flop" you describe is rediculous. Anyone using that maneuver would be completely out of energy and a sitting duck.

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Gibbage1
06-15-2004, 04:33 PM
I call people who constantly whine about Luftwaffa aircraft and constantly whine against US aircraft Luftwhiners. I call people who use the adcantages of the 109 and 190 and actually fly them pilots. Luftwhiners are the most vocal group here. When ever a post about a Allied aircraft crops up, they tear it down. They cry like baby's about having the P-80 added to the game, but chear for joy for the Go-229.

I dont remember calling you spacifically a Luftwhiner. I did not say everyone with a 109 or 190 in there sig is a Luftwhiner. I just said Luftwhiners always have a 109 or 190 in there sig.

I say what I feel. That does get me into trouble, but thats who I am. If you dont agree with my point of view, fine. But never say I am wrong without proof of it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sunburst-97th:
Ok faustnik this will be my last comment about gibbage
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faustnik
06-15-2004, 04:37 PM
Gibbage,

Some of us are trying to fly FB as a sim.

Have fun gaming (and yes dogfighting is fun!). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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06-15-2004, 04:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
I call people who constantly whine about Luftwaffa aircraft and constantly whine against US aircraft Luftwhiners. I call people who use the adcantages of the 109 and 190 and actually fly them pilots. Luftwhiners are the most vocal group here. When ever a post about a Allied aircraft crops up, they tear it down. They cry like baby's about having the P-80 added to the game, but chear for joy for the Go-229.

I dont remember calling you spacifically a Luftwhiner. I did not say everyone with a 109 or 190 in there sig is a Luftwhiner. I just said Luftwhiners always have a 109 or 190 in there sig.

I say what I feel. That does get me into trouble, but thats who I am. If you dont agree with my point of view, fine. But never say I am wrong without proof of it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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I don't whine about one aircraft or the other - I fly and enjoy ALL planes although I have a few select faves http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I am grateful we have such a great sim and it gives me the opportunity to try out all these different aircraft - P80,109Z, Go229, whatever - I don't care. It doesn't really bother me if one FM is better than another, or the &lt;censored&gt; of the &lt;censored&gt; cals is wrong http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif at least not to the extent that I biatch and moan about it like some others do - not that I am bashing them either, they are entitled to state their opinions as they see fit.

I have a TA152 in my sig... what does that make me?!?! On second thoughts, maybe I shouldn't ask..... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Gibbage1
06-15-2004, 04:48 PM
They did a LOT in the Pacific because the Jap aircraft were a lot more nimble then there own. Plus the Jap pilots were well trained.

My expeances are primaraly online. 90% of the FW flywers when confronted 1 on 1 will turn tails and run, even when they have the advantage! They dont consider there aircraft to be good enough! Thats sad. The FW-190 is more then capable of staying in a fight. When I fly it, I find the biggest furball I find and dive right on in. Sure I dont make it out alive some times, but I will take 3-4 of them with me!!!

The FW is great when you find someone at the apex of there loop. Just tear into them and watch the parts fall off. The new 2.02 P-47 will have almost as much firepower as the FW-190 without Mk-108's and will do the same. I dont fly that because its an aircraft you must do B&Z. The moment you try to stay in a fight is the moment you sight your life away. But at least it will have firepower now to get the job done on the first pass, not the 3rd or 4th.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
Gibbage,

Some of us are trying to fly FB as a sim.

Have fun gaming (and yes dogfighting is fun!). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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faustnik
06-15-2004, 04:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:


My expeances are primaraly online. 90% of the FW flywers when confronted 1 on 1 will turn tails and run, even when they have the advantage! They dont consider there aircraft to be good enough! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you are flying in servers with some really bad 190 pilots. Either that or you don't know what you are seeing. Find new servers.

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Gibbage1
06-15-2004, 04:59 PM
It means your a pilot who likes to fly a V-12 glider.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASM 1:
I have a TA152 in my sig... what does that make me?!?! On second thoughts, maybe I shouldn't ask..... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

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ASM 1
06-15-2004, 05:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
It means your a pilot who likes to fly a V-12 glider.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! And whats wrong with a V12 glider? &lt;innocent&gt; http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif it has guns too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LOL!

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Gibbage1
06-15-2004, 05:21 PM
To me, those wings just look wrong. They took a good looking aircraft (A series) and made it fugly by putting a long nose V-12 in it. Then they made it even fuglier by streatching the wings! I feel the need to clip the Ta-152 every time I see one, and I typically do. Like I said, most people who fly it online are dumb and fly low and try to turn in it. They think the big wings give them UBER turning and then wonder why they got clipped by a P-63 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I have flown it a few times and when used proper its a great aircraft. But its boring flying it proper. Lol. I would rather be low in the dirt having fun then earning my orbit badge.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASM 1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
It means your a pilot who likes to fly a V-12 glider.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! And whats wrong with a V12 glider? &lt;innocent&gt; http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif it has guns too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LOL!

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"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
06-15-2004, 05:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:


My expeances are primaraly online. 90% of the FW flywers when confronted 1 on 1 will turn tails and run, even when they have the advantage! They dont consider there aircraft to be good enough! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did i say labeling ? how ironic
Besides gib this simple reply shows your knowledge about the FW190 and her pilots
E bleed comes to mind and the no change to build an adavantage except for running away and come back to fight or to pick another target
maybe its about saving my virtual life instead of killing 2 and dieng once ?
maybe you should fly on the full difficult server more often even if that means you have to spend more time looking for a target

I did it and never looked back no matter how boring it can be sometimes

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Gibbage1
06-15-2004, 05:53 PM
I fly full-real all the time. You can catch me in GreaterGreen on most nights. But "full real" is sort of an oxy-moron. If you want "full real" put a gun with a single bullete next to your monitor. When you die, use it. Its that simple.

I understand that this is a game with some great simulation qualities. I fly it as a game. I fly it to have fun!!! Chasing a FW-190 around the map for 15 mins is not my idea of fun. Running away from a fair fight is not my idea of fun. You may have your own idea of fun, that thats just it. YOUR idea.

This forum is all very much a sharing of knolege and openions. Not a forcing of one. I am sharing my openion, and you are saying I am wrong. Openions are never wrong unless you convey it as fact. I gave my openion on the threads topic and everyone is disputing it. ITS JUST MY OPENION! Dont like it? Fine. But leave it at that. Im not here trying to change your openion, am I?

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JV44Rall
06-15-2004, 05:54 PM
Sorry, Gibb, old bud, but you ain't makin' sense.

First you assert that the FW superior roll rate and low speed handling is unrealistic (the "flip-flop complaint"). Then you claim that online B&Z tactics, which are very realistic, are silly because it's just a game and you shouldn't be so concerned about staying alive.

Seems to me you're parsing your arguments with Clintonesque precision. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Anyhow, FWs are my favorite. The advantages are well known. It just takes plenty of practice, and patience and intelligence while hunting.

Obviously, when an pilot turn fights in a FW, he's easy prey. So don't be annoyed when he runs away. Hartmann did it a lot, and he flew 109s.

Then again, you can never be sure about a turn fighting FW. Is he another noob in a FW or is he pretending to be a noob to sucker you into a low speed "flip-flop" fight that a P-38 or P-39 can't handle? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Franzen
06-15-2004, 05:57 PM
Gibbage, I don't understand. You said some guyz in their 190's slow down forcing you to overshoot their position, then they blast your 6.

And? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

I'm sorry but I haven't read the "Gentlemen's Rulebook to Air Combat" or "Etiquette is Survival". To me this is no different then those that whine about BnZers.

I have used the "FW Flop" before but not in a 190, rather a 109, and won. When I'm out of ammo I like to fly very low, on the edge of a constant stall, cause I'm sure my enemy will crash. It always happens. I could never understand why.

If my enemy tries the "FW Flop" I just start doing low alt BnZ. You don't need 650KPH to Bnz.

My point is, the game regulates what is fair and what isn't. All these tactics people whine about are within given limits. Trust me, if you and I were in combat and I could through a chunk of Lindberger cheese at you, I would, and you'd be going down smelling pretty. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The guy using the FW Flop beat you fair and square.

So, my question is "What's the problem?" Besides being shot down in combat.

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faustnik
06-15-2004, 06:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:

This forum is all very much a sharing of knolege and openions. Not a forcing of one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah hah, that was priceless. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

You crack me up Gibbage!

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Gibbage1
06-15-2004, 06:15 PM
Did I miss the joke? Maybe your poking fun of the .50 cal stuff? I was not forcing my openion, but trying to correct an innaccuract. Differance.

If I said "The P-51 was better then the FW-190" thats a statement. You better bring some proof for that one! If I said "I think the P-51 is better then the FW-190" thats an openion. Everyone is entitled to that! Im guessing your openion is opisit, but I am using that as an example. "I think the P-51 should be better" and not prividing proof as to why is forcing your openion. "The .50 cal M2 is undermodeled, and here is 3 pages of proof" is a statement.

I may have failed english and spelling, but even I know the differance between an openion and a statement. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif To jump over someone for his openion is just dumb. To correct a statement is OK.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:

This forum is all very much a sharing of knolege and openions. Not a forcing of one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah hah, that was priceless. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

You crack me up Gibbage!

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BS87
06-15-2004, 06:34 PM
Online, p47s usually destroy Ta152s, simply because most ta pilots have no idea how ot fight up high. But when you get a pilot that knows what they're doing in a ta, man, watch out p47.

Dammerung
06-15-2004, 08:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CRSutton:


I had the same problem for years and thought the FW 190 was a total pig and that I was a total idiot (still debating that), but when I switched my Logitech Wingman for a Saitek EVO the 190 became a sweet pussycat. Check your joystick. Post the model here and somebody will help you with the settings. If it is a Wingman-throw it in the trash.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Mitlov47
06-15-2004, 09:34 PM
To think that I started this thread to restore civility after the Hartmann thread and the patch threads. JAYSUS.

TO DAMMERUNG--try the Dora. It has a lot more stability because of the long fuselage, yet it turns at essentially the same rate. I have the same problem with the A-series in any sort of high-adrenaline combat maneuvers.

TO ALL THE DORA ACES--A few questions:

1) The boost (something with a long, very German name...something like Eimagonnageta Notherbeerortwo). Wow, it's powerful. And I've run it for about 10 minutes with no apparent problems. Any reason I shouldn't turn this on when the mission starts and keep it on the entire time?

2) What do you set convergence to? Do you link all the guns to one trigger, or do you use them separately?

3) Any pointers on hunting bombers? A single hit to the nose always seems to completely stop my engine, or wound my pilot, or both. The Dora's tough, but she seems to have a glass jaw at twelve o'clock.

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Dammerung
06-15-2004, 09:59 PM
I've never brought a 190 into combat. Never could. My turning radius at crusing speed is the size of Wisconsin and it shakes like green private getting shelled with 88s. Any more than the slightest pull sends it into a nasty snap roll which leads into a flatspin.

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Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
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WUAF_Boxer
06-15-2004, 10:07 PM
1. You can run that boost non-stop and never have to worry about engine damage. If you start to overheat, turning off the boost does not affect cool down time.

2. I set my convergence at 250m. But I am usually much closer when I pull the trigger (less than 200m). And I shoot all guns at the same time.

3. As for bombers the same rules apply as with all other fighters. Stay fast, and BnZ. When you get lazy and hang behind a bomber, the gunners will make you pay for it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

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WTE_Galway
06-16-2004, 12:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mitlov47:
3) Any pointers on hunting bombers? A single hit to the nose always seems to completely stop my engine, or wound my pilot, or both. The Dora's tough, but she seems to have a glass jaw at twelve o'clock.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the dora suffers the same problems behind bombers the 109's do

but the Dora has the advantage of that stunning role rate ..

my preferred technique in all 190's is somewhat unconventional but it works .. Starting high I like to dive below the bomber to pick up speed, come up under it, pop off a shot from below at say 400m , zoom above it and loose some E roll inverted and get a second closer shot upside down from above at 100-200 metres, before diving away to one side

it sounds suicidal but it seems to work

hughlb2
06-16-2004, 01:06 AM
I had a fly of the 190 again since I found out you could use mk103's (took me this long to realise!http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif) Still my favourite cannon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I was surprised at the amount of ammunition, only like five seconds, but then again I was surprised the 190 could even carry the significantly heavier 103, not to mention two of them!

One question I have is why the mk103 cannon wasn't used in the TA152 we have. Was it ever used in a 152 in the war, if not what was the reason. If a 190 can carry two, then a Ta should have no problem in terms of weight. Perhaps it was due to the material shortages and just all-round problems for Germany at the end of the war?

Anyway, back to flying the Spit IX when the official patch is released, flying the 190 with my Dogitech is a nightmare (way too oversensitive on pitch axis) and yes I have tryed changing the settings, but only helps so far. Anyway a CH is a planned replacementhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WTE_Galway
06-16-2004, 01:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hughlb2:
IOne question I have is why the mk103 cannon wasn't used in the TA152 we have. Was it ever used in a 152 in the war, if not what was the reason.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As far as i know the planned serial production Ta-152C-3 would have had mk103's but it never got made

hughlb2
06-16-2004, 01:49 AM
"planned serial production Ta-152C-3 would have had mk103's but it never got made" - WTE_Galway

Pity, I mean the 108's are devestating, but the muzzle velocity of the mk103's would have been nice and really put the icing on the Ta.

Imagine what Germany could have done with a few more years.

(FIN)-Cowboy
06-16-2004, 03:20 AM
With the A6 being my new favourite pet, I would like to echo the sentiment that FW-190 really kicks those sitting muscles.

But the reason I really love the plane is that it taught me to fly better; in original IL-2 it was so unforgiving that you really had to guide her with smooth, controlled stick movements - or else! I started playing with other planes first but I had always wanted to fly FW-190 well so I started using it as my main training crate.

After a lengthy period of uttermost suckage I finally managed to fly her with some skill and even scored kills with it. I was happy with my progress, but my biggest sense of joy came when I tried some other aircraft; they were suddenly very easy to fly - I could retain energy with them for much longer than before and thanks to training high speed attack passes and deflection shooting with FW-190 I could even hit something in furball.

So thanks for mentoring me, mon amour http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif

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Finland Red, Egypt White

Mitlov47
06-16-2004, 03:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by (FIN)-Cowboy:
Finland Red, Egypt White
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is that a Sisterhood reference I see there, or are you just an ammo aficionado?

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/387_1087375867_dorasig2.jpg

(FIN)-Cowboy
06-16-2004, 04:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mitlov47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by (FIN)-Cowboy:
Finland Red, Egypt White
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is that a Sisterhood reference I see there, or are you just an ammo aficionado?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well if I was just quoting the AK-47 manual, I would have included the words "Germany black" in there... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Finland Red, Egypt White

Afreaka
06-16-2004, 08:14 AM
Ohhh so its hours of fun shooting down bombers ehh? Not a single word of praise to us brave bomber pilots in this entire thread. It's just sooo much fun sending a couple of mk108 rounds right through our tidy kept cockpit. To ruthlessly blast skillfully crafted pieces of ebony and teak from our wings while fighting back the blurring tears of joy. Day and night we pound your airfields from above with words of reason and some still dare call it vulching. Guess none of you in this thread have flown the entire length of the finland gulf in a TB3. So to all you fw190, grey goblins of the sky and enemies of logic, see you at a airfield near you at 8000+. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

Rex Kramer(Airplane, 1980): Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked... in the head... with an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does. It never happens. It's a dumb question... skip it.

Franzen
06-16-2004, 08:29 AM
Geeeez! And I thought all bomber pilots were AI. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif The talking ones will be much more fun to kill, even at 8000m http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Fritz Franzen

DeBaer.534
06-16-2004, 08:48 AM
heh, now there are two non-ai bomber pilots, you and my brother. my brother really likes those evil fw190 pilots (me) because they usually provide him cover in his He111.

oh and this german WEP thingy is "Erh¶hte Notleistung" which means "increased emergency power".

Mitlov47
06-16-2004, 12:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DeBaer.534:
oh and this german WEP thingy is "Erh¶hte Notleistung" which means "increased emergency power".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I don't know a lick of German, so I've had no luck in memorizing its name. Even if I did know how to make an umlaut on my keyboard, which I don't. So until I memorize how to say and spell it, and until I learn how to type umlauts, it shall officially be known as "Eimegonnegete Notherbeer."

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/387_1087375867_dorasig2.jpg

DeBaer.534
06-16-2004, 01:06 PM
na i just said this for your info, not to show of my great german knowledge (heck, im german http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif).
"Eimegonnegete Notherbeer" is just fine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Prost! then. (cheers...)