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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:46 PM
Hallo,

yesterday I did it - I got my a** kicked online for the first time.

I must say, this is a great feeling, to be able to interact with people rather than AI pilots...

Well, first I spent 1.5 hours trying to connect to ubi.com before I discovered which of the IP adresses my computer bradcasts I should use.

Then got to a server and manned my I-16. Well, most of the people fly thing like La-7 or Bf 109k so I did not expect to parry them, nevertheless taking into account the excellent maneouvrability of I-16 I hoped to be able to outturn those planes. Forget it. Suddenly I felt I was flying a brick, no acceleration at all, and most things I tried to do ended in a stall, which is a very bad thing in an I-16. Ended up being shot down twice, but stalled more than 10 times.

Then I got up, but I conncted to another server. I don't know why but the physics was much different there - my I-16 felt familiar again. I got into a 2-on-2 dogfight and survived it, urrrraaah, although I cannot claim a single hit. Then I wanted to know where I was but forgot that the [p] key was not intended to work online, so I flew stright ahead for quite a while, when I looked before my nose again there was a hill approaching me, so I pulled my stick a little strong back and, your guess, stalled (and died).

All in all, it seems that I am still too fresh for a serious online experience. I must practice the control of my plane under stressing conditions, I must practice my situational awareness, and I am very bad at shooting. Fighting offline did not offer many possibilities for training the deflection shooting, this is very much different to try to stay on the 6 of the alive pilot (well, if he has a Bf 109k and I haven I-16 this is even harder, haha).


Any comments, criticism (and maybe a little encouraging) are welcome...

H.K.

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:46 PM
Hallo,

yesterday I did it - I got my a** kicked online for the first time.

I must say, this is a great feeling, to be able to interact with people rather than AI pilots...

Well, first I spent 1.5 hours trying to connect to ubi.com before I discovered which of the IP adresses my computer bradcasts I should use.

Then got to a server and manned my I-16. Well, most of the people fly thing like La-7 or Bf 109k so I did not expect to parry them, nevertheless taking into account the excellent maneouvrability of I-16 I hoped to be able to outturn those planes. Forget it. Suddenly I felt I was flying a brick, no acceleration at all, and most things I tried to do ended in a stall, which is a very bad thing in an I-16. Ended up being shot down twice, but stalled more than 10 times.

Then I got up, but I conncted to another server. I don't know why but the physics was much different there - my I-16 felt familiar again. I got into a 2-on-2 dogfight and survived it, urrrraaah, although I cannot claim a single hit. Then I wanted to know where I was but forgot that the [p] key was not intended to work online, so I flew stright ahead for quite a while, when I looked before my nose again there was a hill approaching me, so I pulled my stick a little strong back and, your guess, stalled (and died).

All in all, it seems that I am still too fresh for a serious online experience. I must practice the control of my plane under stressing conditions, I must practice my situational awareness, and I am very bad at shooting. Fighting offline did not offer many possibilities for training the deflection shooting, this is very much different to try to stay on the 6 of the alive pilot (well, if he has a Bf 109k and I haven I-16 this is even harder, haha).


Any comments, criticism (and maybe a little encouraging) are welcome...

H.K.

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:49 PM
Hi

DL the Hyperlobby client, most of us are flying there, also the handling and joining of servers is very easy.

Browse to Downloads and install the Hyperloppy client
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Message Edited on 07/26/0312:50PM by KIMURA

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 01:03 PM
Stick with it you will get used to it,also I think the reason it feels slugish or heavy is becuase without knowing it you are pulling to tight a turn to often in a attempt to stay alive.Work on your energy managment and you will have a good starting point.

Stay fast stay alert

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Tully__
07-26-2003, 01:13 PM
Sounds like a better start than my first online excursion /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

Keep at it. work on staying alive rather than making kills. The victories will come by themselves in time.

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Salut
Tully

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 01:19 PM
It`s good to practise with AI (and I still fly the AI Campaign alot). But I understand about all the stalls. This is because Human pilots will PUSH you to your flying limit forcing you to do harder turns and manoeuvers- therefore more risk of stalling. It probably got easier cos you were flying against slightly less skilled pilots on the other server. You may now need to readjust your stick to cater for this.
But welcome, and join HL, some of us will try to help if you let us know. (Just ignore juvenile behavour, if you get it and try other server). /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



Message Edited on 07/26/0312:21PM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 02:22 PM
Are you sure the realism settings were the same in those servers?

On my very first online dogfight there was this teamkiller guy in a bomber on my airbase killing me some 10 times before i got airborne. I was bit of confused for I didn't know if this was the way online. Luckily I didn't follow his ways /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 04:06 PM
You cant ever go back now you realize.

Look for a squad to fly with. That can give you little protection and some training to make your experience online even better.

http://www.vfa25.com

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 05:41 PM
Hans, go to hyperlobby. I found UBI was too intrusive to my computer and I had to re install the game. Never hand any probs with HL.

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caccia buon!

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 06:17 PM
I've never had problems with UBI, either.


So i haven't tried HL, although I think i will d/l it soon because moer people play there.

if you see a Yak-9K, (you will know it by its gun) it will be either me or another of the small 9K enthuisiast party. I-16's are slow and make good 45mm cannon shell recepticles.

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 06:42 PM
Hyperlobby is where lots of people are and is easy to use.

(1)Practice offline against AI aircraft at Ace level, who are in planes at least as good, if not better, than yours.

(2) Practice against multiple opponents, in order to excercise your SA (situational awareness)

(3) Use realistic settings for everything except maybe Map icons and padlock. That way, nothing online will surprise you.

(4) Forget high deflection shots at medium and long range. With realistic gunnery and ltd ammo you'll just waste ammunition unless you're a dead accurate shot, which is very rare. What you need to do is get in really close so you definitely hit, and shoot in short 1-2 second bursts.

(5) Get to know the main performance characteristics of the planes you encounter, and plan your fight to exploit their weaknesses, while flying to your plane's strengths.

eg, 109....use its climb, Yak...pull that stick back!

(6) Use tactics to gain advantage over your opponents. Make sure you see them first. Don't engage unless you've got an altitude and/or speed advantage. It's very very hard if they hold those cards. Then...manage your energy, don't bleed all your speed or give away all your height unnecesarily particularly if there are other hostiles around. Think about what the situation will be AFTER your current fight.

These tips will help you survive in the first instance, and by so doing, you'll start to get kills.

These are just standard fighter tactics as used since WW1

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 06:52 PM
Welcome to the club !

Shot only two times ! You did great !

I think I got shot down some 30 times the first night.

In the meantime I got better...only 15 times per night. I fly half the time ROFL (Rolling On the Floor Laughing).

The Hyperloby HL is the place you want to be. You will love it !

Watch the guys in the 109K / 109G. If the fly high, bad news (for you). No chance to beat a 109 if it has high energy lavel (high speed) and moves on the vertical.

The only way to play against such guys is at servers with no complex motor management.
Maybe you get lucky and you find a server without complex motor management. Try it first.

Do not fly with 100% fuel. 50% will do. If you get shot too often even 25% will be enough.... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The most important key if you fly online is the F6 (relative position between you and the enemy, external).
Only at the servers where this is allowed (external views on).

And Deflection shots ! Oh yes ! You need to spend a couple of weeks practicing FB in single mode before even thinking about it. But it pays of:
FIRST.
Use a text editor and open the file conf.ini (you may want to create a back up first). It is on the main directory of IL2FB.
Change the line [game] Arcade=0 to Arcade=1
This will help you watch where your bullets hit (Thanks uncle Oleg...)
SECOND.
Set up a quick mission, select many bombers. Blendheim, TB3, PE8. Set up your plane with unlimited fuel, ammo, and -not forget- invulnerability (the PE8s are not fun).
And fly a couple of hours practicing deflection shots.
After the first week you may want to practice deflection shots against fighters too.

Having mastered the above in perfection, you can start playing and getting your a.. kicked !
There are guys flying around who hit bullseye with deflection shots with a single cannon shot !!!

If you get VERY frustrated remember one thing: There are no cheats in FB. All guys fly the same airplanes !!!! Even if their 109Ks are turning circles around your 109K !!!


Energy = Speed = Life (yours). You will learn this very fast.

You are right in saying that flight models and gun damage models (you will realise that early enough) are different online than in single mode.

And a last tip: Do not fly FW190s.

Welcome to the community and good luck !

PS. and if we ever meet in HL please tell me, so I can offload some of my frustration once ! He, he...

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 07:35 PM
hehe, I love reading stuff like this.. makes me think back when I was just like that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif oh, I still am :P

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 08:00 PM
Hi Hans

I bet you're glad you took the plunge. I know I am. Actually, you've done better than me. I couldn't get Ubi to work so I fly HL. Never looked back.

I guage my online success by my kill/death ratio. When I started (2 months ago) it was 1:20. Now I'm down to like 1:6.

But the quest for a better connection continues/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Enjoy it. Find a good server.

Regards

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 09:12 AM
Ok, thank you all for these truly encouraging comments.

So, on saturday I refreshed my courage and connected to HL. there I got that expected beating. I was able to shoot some bombers down, but forget about fighters... I don't count times I was shot down, I think it was in the range of 20.

First I flew the I-16, bt this is really an unmoving target for a late war plane. then I tried an airacobra (with which I got some kills) and La-5, with which I could finally catch with the other guy what concerns the speed. Nevertheless, I do not feel familiar with the plane.

My biggest problem was to tell the friend from foe, so initially I shot some russkies too, kakii zhal. How can I distinguish when there are no icons?

Of course I still cannot hit anything if it does not fly straight ahead. And still I do not know where I am and where I should look. I think I will practice offline during the week and try the HL next weekend again. And yes, I will look for a squadron, even though I am too old to enlist http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif)

Concerning the flying model, I use the same settings online as offline, i.e. realistick (with stalls, torque, blackouts, etc). So my problems in the first trial could have been related to a slow response of the server that made my manoeuvres too abrupt.

BTW. ubi.com.... UIt always want something from me, it complains when I disconnect the cable, even if I don't want to play... Should I uninstall something?

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 09:32 AM
sometimes when flying the same plane for a while , i go to another DF room with similer settings & i find that plane ive been flying Handels slightly different

go figure ....

HL is just as good as UBI

if you disconnect from the Internet without leaving UBI then UBI will detect the Disconnection & will ask to re-connect
just exit UBI first then disconnect the Internet connection & you wont have UBI trying that

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 03:02 PM
Shot down 20 times. Could be worse...

- My biggest problem was to tell the friend from foe,
- so initially I shot some russkies too, kakii zhal.
- How can I distinguish when there are no icons?
Aha!
1. a good pair of glasses
2. high resolution (>1024)
3. Zooming in and out the view
4. Sometimes these servers allow the possibility to "track enemy" vs "track friendly" button (padlock). Then you know...
5. Know the enemy airplanes. And hope you play on servers which only allow the countries' airplanes (if you have the red side flying ME109s you're done). 90% of the players fly ME109s, LA5/7, Yaks, Aircobras, Hurricanes. It's not difficult to distinguish them.
6. Do not make people nervous by flying directly behind them. Fly always parallel to them at a distance when approaching.
7. Try to play in games where the icons are on (the best method!!!)

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 03:23 PM
Oh yes, I can distinguish a La from a Bf... but there are people who fly the "false" planes, i.e. I saw a La-5 flying for the blue team and a FW for the red one. Now, how can I distinguish which team the guy I approach belongs to? I just kept flying over my airbase and tried to make out which of the planes are targeted by the AA, and to attack them.

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 03:29 PM
He He !

well either

these servers allow the possibility to "track enemy" vs "track friendly" button (padlock). Then you know...

or,

ctrl-F2 vs. shift-F2 will help you (external views on)

or,

do not bother playing on this server.

The idea with the AAA flak is good, I will remember that next time.

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 03:50 PM
Manos1 wrote:
- well either
-
- these servers allow the possibility to "track enemy"
- vs "track friendly" button (padlock). Then you
- know...

ah so 'was...

-
- or,
-
- ctrl-F2 vs. shift-F2 will help you (external views
- on)

naja, gut...

-
- or,
-
- do not bother playing on this server.

ugh... how do I know that the server does/does not allow those interchanges?

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 04:01 PM
- ugh... how do I know that the server does/does not
- allow those interchanges?

Ganz einfach (in HL) ein klick auf dem Host Namen und... you see all available options like:

complex motor management = watch out for ME109s zooming from above (LOL = lautes lachen)

cockpit on = not FW190s flying around (LOL)

external views off= no ctrl-F2 / shift-F2

icons off

Map icons

etc etc.

With some practise you will learn to distinguish...

Viel spass !

Leimboy
07-28-2003, 04:04 PM
HansKnappstick wrote:
--
-- do not bother playing on this server.
-
- ugh... how do I know that the server does/does not
- allow those interchanges?

Unfortunately there is no good way to find this out before you have loaded the map and read the briefing (or chosen an airfield) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
My experience is that if you choose servers with the words "realistic", "scripted" or "Full Real" in their description you have a pretty good chance of joining a server with 'correct' planesets...

Good luck! Be seeing you in the virtual skies /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

-Ron

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 05:35 PM
Hi Hans !!!

Wellcome to the wild word of IL2-FB !!!

My first time on-line........well , i got shot down so many times that I cant even remember !! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
No probs......try to stay alive and the kills will came when its time.
Try the YAK-3 its a good plane to be handled. (I got my first kill on one of these planes ) and doesn't stall so easy.


Brazil Salutt !!!

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 06:03 PM
In Hyperlobby if you right-click on a dogfight game it will list all of the realism settings before you join... try it.

Also if anyone tells you that Hyperlobby is spyware, adware, hacked, a trojan or contains bad code then ignore them. Hyperlobby is an excellent piece of software that is safe and utterly reliable. All of these rumours stem from an insane, babbling idiot with a grudge whose name is **gaakkk! NO! the GT Police! No I wasn't going to say it - honestly - please don't - no arrrrggghhh!**

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