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IKG26Redcoat
08-16-2004, 11:06 AM
This has probaly been mentioned here before, but if it has I havent read it, so here goes....
How dificult would it be to have heights and speeds changible from metric to imperial? 1000m means very little to me, and the speeds are worse! Now although Im English, and were supposed to be part of Europe, sort of, I cannot get my head around metric, (and Im not sure I want to), Im sure lots of the americans have the same problem. I belive it was switchable in cfs, so why not here? it would make life a damn sight easier...
ok flamers, do your worst..lol

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IKG26Redcoat
08-16-2004, 11:06 AM
This has probaly been mentioned here before, but if it has I havent read it, so here goes....
How dificult would it be to have heights and speeds changible from metric to imperial? 1000m means very little to me, and the speeds are worse! Now although Im English, and were supposed to be part of Europe, sort of, I cannot get my head around metric, (and Im not sure I want to), Im sure lots of the americans have the same problem. I belive it was switchable in cfs, so why not here? it would make life a damn sight easier...
ok flamers, do your worst..lol

There are a lot of people, who say, that bombing can never win a war. Well, my answer to that, is that it has never been tried yet, and we shall see.
Sir Arthur Harris
CinC Bomber Command

Bearcat99
08-16-2004, 11:17 AM
It wont happen in the sim.. not in FB anyway. What I suggest is go to the Sturmovik Essentials thread in my sig below and look for a metric to imperial conversion utility. Once you get the basics down it wont be too hard to keep it in mind. Of course you can always close the pit and read the gauges.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif That is actually an interesting exerecise.

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Soak_
08-16-2004, 06:32 PM
Metric isn't hard to grasp.
Although some guys in this forum claim they shoot with there gun convergence at 1000m...lol
thats 3280 feet 3/4 of a mile.

http://www.sciencemadesimple.net/EASYlength.html

OldMan____
08-16-2004, 07:05 PM
Well now you know how we feel when playing american games in feet and miles. These are DAMMIT weid measuers.. at least ours are related to each other (alt and speed)

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

heywooood
08-16-2004, 07:10 PM
switch off the HUD and read the steamguages bro.



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IKG26Redcoat
08-17-2004, 12:06 PM
first off, what hud? dont use it. second, i dont want to learn metric, and imperial aint wierd, its been used quite happily for a long time. also i realise it wont be here in FB, thats not what i meant, i was talking about pacific fighters and BOB. Thanks bearcat, im about to grab that conversion thing, but what i really meant was i am hopeless with numbers. its like dyslexia or somthing, i have to do maths on paper or on my fingers, lol. Thanks to all those who replied, for the help, and missing the point http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif lol
~S~

There are a lot of people, who say, that bombing can never win a war. Well, my answer to that, is that it has never been tried yet, and we shall see.
Sir Arthur Harris
CinC Bomber Command

p1ngu666
08-17-2004, 01:41 PM
happens to some ppl, get locked into imperial.
imperial is more, hmm, manly or beefy. metric is easy to work stuff out.
imperial is actully quiet odd m8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Korolov
08-17-2004, 02:19 PM
Fly the US fighters and use the in-cockpit guages - they're in imperial units. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Atomic_Marten
08-17-2004, 02:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Soak_:
Metric isn't hard to grasp.
Although some guys in this forum claim they shoot with there gun convergence at 1000m...lol
thats 3280 feet 3/4 of a mile.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed... I would add that "Imperial also are not so hard to use..." since I use metric exclusively in my everyday life. So I don't care much -- in fact I would like to see 'em both in "Comic Gauge" (pit off).

Also I reccomend those guys with 1000m gun convergence to set them on 500m if they fly fast (BnZ and such) and to set it on even less distance like 180~250m when flying wing mounted multiMG(CN)-equipped A/C's like Hurri. It isn't really wise idea to set your conv. to 1000m (with an exception for rockets -- I always have them on 1000m -- works really nice) since when travelling on such distances your projectiles will be mucho effected with mother Earth's basic force - gravity... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

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Atomic_Marten
08-17-2004, 02:49 PM
And yes, since some of you guys really don't know how much is 1m approx. is (in RL), the best way is to compare it with average man's height. In metars it should be around 1,80m.

And for NBA players... well start your count with 2,00m http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif. For instance Isaiah Thomas 1,82m, Willis Read 2,08m, Kareem AJ 2,18m, J.Stockton 1,85m. Hope this helps a little bit in a perception of this unit in a real world.

LEXX_Luthor
08-17-2004, 03:27 PM
At one time I laughed at the idea, but only cos I am militant Metric Fundamentalist. A speedbar with feet and miles per hour would be ideal for simmers who fly USA and Brit planes. And if FP is being at least somewhat aimed at teh USA dogfighter market, they should make speedbar units Optional.

I personally feel ~very~ lucky that J8A is Swedish and has metric cockpit. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

What I'd really like is speedbar compass in radians--either decimal or in fractional multiples of pi.
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OldMan____
08-17-2004, 07:28 PM
radians would be really cool.

I would also ask for speed being measured in WARP factors.. and I hope they make the CV Enterprise in PF reach WARP 9.3 as is historically correct

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

tfu_iain1
08-18-2004, 02:41 AM
If i were you mate i should keep a conversion chart or a calculator to hand, just multiply mph by 1.6 for kph, m x 3.33 for feet.

other handy reference

60kph = 40mph
100kph= 60mph
160kph= 100mph
340kph= 200mph
500kph= 300mph
640kph= 400mph

you can do the arithmetic accurately enough in your head pretty quickly with those 6 conversions.

Erkki_M
08-18-2004, 05:56 AM
I cant undrestand Imperial units, Why are there different units in height, speed and weight? Whats the use? I really cant understand how you can compare knots,miles,miles/h feets to each others, wouldn't it be SOOOO much easier to use same units everywhere?

But in temperature Iam not at the side of Fahrenheit (wich I think is needless ) or Celcius, I think that we all should use Kelvin,,,

Obi_Kwiet
08-20-2004, 10:46 AM
Yeah. It's like English money. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

slarsson
08-20-2004, 11:21 AM
"English" (sic) money has been metric since the 1960s!

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Matz0r
08-20-2004, 11:30 AM
http://www.metricsucks.com/

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Abbuzze
08-22-2004, 05:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matz0r:
http://www.metricsucks.com/

8) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.pfy.nu/tmp/fw3.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This site's purpose is to explore all of these issues in detail. Our goal is to make clear the many advantages of the English Standard system, which is clearly responsible for the finer things in life, including but not limited to:
* Linux

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TheJackalx2k
08-22-2004, 05:25 PM
I live in the US and I actually think the metric system is so much easier.

I seriously cannot understand why people cannot grasp how it works. It CAN'T get any easier.

heywooood
08-22-2004, 10:56 PM
this (http://www.slonet.org/~rloomis/metric2.wav) will clear things up.



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LEXX_Luthor
08-22-2004, 11:47 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://www.metricsucks.com/metric_land.html


Good point about 12 divided by more numbers than 10. But the problem of 7/8 inch or 9/16 is still rather embarassing.

They also equated Intel with Metric, AMD with English, should be other way around. Same with Windows as English and Linux as Metric--mixed up. Sometimes, mistakes are made, an error occurs.


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IKG26Redcoat
10-22-2004, 05:58 AM
Two months later, PF is here and guess what, changable to imperial, metric and knots. hate to say I told u so...........but I will anyway. lol

geetarman
10-22-2004, 08:33 AM
As a Yank the Metric gradiations in the game were a hassle in the beginning. But now, I just rough everything out in my head by rounding. For a simple primer for those using Imperial:

MPH = 60% of KPH (i.e. I'm flying at 400 kph.
Multiple 4 x 6 and add the zero = about 240 mph)

Alt in feet = about 3 times more than alt in meters. (i.e. flying at 2000 meters. Multiple by 3 = 6,000 ft. give or take a few hundred feet.

Not exact but gets you close enough.

WB_Outlaw
10-23-2004, 07:17 PM
I love it when people use kg to express weight. Dummies they is!

-Outlaw.

NS38th_Aristaus
10-24-2004, 02:11 AM
~S~
Knots is a nautical method of measuring speed. During the days of sail sailors tied knots in rope at certain entervals and draged the rope over the side. In this way they could measure the ships speed. In PF, at least on the U.S. side Naval avaitors measured alt and speed in feet and knots. There is a conversion chart for knots, mph, and kph on the following web site. When entering the main page look to far left to the list of links in alphabetical order scroll dwn untill u hit speed conversion and clk link ~S~.....www.boatingincanada.com

IKG26Redcoat
10-25-2004, 06:25 AM
Thanks for the replies and the information, appreciated, but my point has still been missed. I dont want to learn about kmh. I know how to do it, but I dont like it, lol. And I understand about knots mate thanks.

BinaryFalcon
10-25-2004, 07:41 AM
I vote knots for speed, nautical miles for distance, imperial for height, and celcius for temperature.

Makes the most sense to do it that way. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It's nice that we can set for personal preference in PF, but as far as the sim goes none of it really matters. Just memorize the numbers for the aircraft you're flying and go with those.

The universe doesn't care what system you're using, things will happen when certain conditions are met no matter what scale you measure by. Ultimately any method is basically arbitrary and was selected because it was a convenient method for the time or situation.

fherathras
10-26-2004, 12:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Abbuzze:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matz0r:
http://www.metricsucks.com/

8) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.pfy.nu/tmp/fw3.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This site's purpose is to explore all of these issues in detail. Our goal is to make clear the many advantages of the English Standard system, which is clearly responsible for the finer things in life, including but not limited to:
* Linux

Norway is using the imperial system? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



no, we use the metric system...



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zaelu
10-28-2004, 07:17 AM
The darn meter was obtain by bogus calculations... ok. But... 1 cubic metter of distiled watter has a tone (1 000KGs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) so there u have the kilo-gram, Distilated watter boils at 100 degrees Celsius and freezes at 0 so there u go u have a temperature scale. Other good thing with metric scale is easy to invent multipliers and submultipliers... kilofeet per hour... anyone?
The metric system was borne from a good ideea... many are against it no problemo... do you know that many people refuses to trust the Gregorian Calendar (the one most of you use)and its modifications? If not... ask Oleg.
Anyway... the imperial system sounds cool. MPH especialy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif... for a sym ofcourse is good to "sym" everithing including imperial measuring system.
S! all.

BinaryFalcon
10-28-2004, 02:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But... 1 cubic metter of distiled watter has a tone (1 000KGs Big Grin ) so there u have the kilo-gram,
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At what temperature? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Distilated watter boils at 100 degrees Celsius and freezes at 0 so there u go u have a temperature scale.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At what pressure? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Okay, I'm just messing around, because I know there are assumed standards, but my point is that the reference used is hardly a constant itself.

At some point someone had to just pick a convenient set of conditions and decide that's how it was going to be, which makes no one system any more inherently correct than any other. More suitable for certain tasks, definitely. But not more correct. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bearcat99
10-29-2004, 04:14 AM
Yeah Im pulling the laces out of my mouth on that one.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I wish there was a way in the Cinf file to make one otr the otner the default speedbar view. I looked but caouldnt find it.

julien673
10-29-2004, 04:39 AM
Well... all the world is on metric ( exept the USA), maybe u may know the metric http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif