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BaldieJr
06-01-2004, 12:22 PM
If you were to build a replica cockpit, which plane would you copy?

Personally, I'm liking the P40 because of its simplicity.

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My Specs (read 'em and weep):
* Automatically grinds whole beans before brewing
* Fully programmable 24 hours in advance
* Brew Pause feature lets you enjoy a cup before brewing has finished
* Automatically shuts off when brewing is complete
* Grind-off feature for brewing ground coffee
* 1-4 cup feature to accommodate coffee for one
* 10-cup double-wall insulated thermal carafe to keep your coffee hot long after brewing
* Gold tone commercial-style permanent filter eliminates the need to buy coffee filters
* Charcoal water filter removes impurities from the water
* Separate grinder chamber and filter area allow for easy cleanup
* Limited 3-year warranty
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BaldieJr
06-01-2004, 12:22 PM
If you were to build a replica cockpit, which plane would you copy?

Personally, I'm liking the P40 because of its simplicity.

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
My Specs (read 'em and weep):
* Automatically grinds whole beans before brewing
* Fully programmable 24 hours in advance
* Brew Pause feature lets you enjoy a cup before brewing has finished
* Automatically shuts off when brewing is complete
* Grind-off feature for brewing ground coffee
* 1-4 cup feature to accommodate coffee for one
* 10-cup double-wall insulated thermal carafe to keep your coffee hot long after brewing
* Gold tone commercial-style permanent filter eliminates the need to buy coffee filters
* Charcoal water filter removes impurities from the water
* Separate grinder chamber and filter area allow for easy cleanup
* Limited 3-year warranty
</pre>

Black Sheep
06-01-2004, 12:37 PM
Spits are comparatively simple, so are Hurricanes. And they're Brit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You're not actually contemplating such a thing are you ? Might make for an interesting project; just tracking down suitable gauges would be time consuming.

Along with making FB talk to them. It'd work for MSFS, but no combat alas.



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Zen--
06-01-2004, 12:37 PM
FockeWulf 190

Imho just an all around practical cockpit, everything right where you need it and all in the simple base 10 formula of ... the metric system, which for military operations is quite handy.

And it has that nifty vertical rate indicator which is invaluable to the enterprising E fighters among us.

-Zen-

Werre_Fsck
06-01-2004, 12:44 PM
109 G/K models are the best.
Everything is big, clear, and in logically positioned. Color coding.

109, E/F models, come next. Sadly, coolant temp and fuel gauges are less readable.

190, all variants, comes next (including Ta). Same reasons as above but the gauges look smaller on my screen, hindering readability.
Then the japanese, all models. Clear, logical layouts. The Ki cockpit rules.

Then Fiat G.50. The plane is crappish in many respects but the gauges are clear. Any idea why speedometer is doubled?

Then Americans (althought I find the units awkward).

Then british. I have to comment on these. The cockpits are a mess: pipes, wires everywhere, these things were not designed, the gauges and what not were crammed wherever they fit, as an afterthought. Or so they look like.

Then the rest.

Russians score last: the gauges are small and blurry and positioned by picasso. Combine this to almost british messy organizing. Especially lack of artificial horizon and a proper compass in most planes, weird fuel gauges and no color coding to speak are real turnoffs.

I excluded jets and fantasy planes from this comparison. Otherwise the top5 would be all-german.

Werre_Fsck
06-01-2004, 12:46 PM
Sorry, didn't really read the question, and started ranking the cockpits.
If I were to build one, G2, or 190A5. FW's smooth panels and very modern look are winners, but G2 holds more nostalgic value for me.

Huxley_S
06-01-2004, 12:48 PM
P39... looks aweful, but everything is right where u need it.

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BaldieJr
06-01-2004, 12:48 PM
Moo.cow: Yeah, I'm going to do a replica pit after I've busted my knuckles on a general aviation pit.

I'm asking because I will be building a CNC mill in a few months. This will allow me to reproduce almost anything with exact precision. In order to return some of my investment, I thought I would make a side business of milling custom parts for cockpit builders, but for far cheaper than most fabrication shops. The catch is: knowing what to build. If I know that a lot of people are interested in spitfire odds and ends, it would be worth my time to focus on those.

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My Specs (read 'em and weep):
* Automatically grinds whole beans before brewing
* Fully programmable 24 hours in advance
* Brew Pause feature lets you enjoy a cup before brewing has finished
* Automatically shuts off when brewing is complete
* Grind-off feature for brewing ground coffee
* 1-4 cup feature to accommodate coffee for one
* 10-cup double-wall insulated thermal carafe to keep your coffee hot long after brewing
* Gold tone commercial-style permanent filter eliminates the need to buy coffee filters
* Charcoal water filter removes impurities from the water
* Separate grinder chamber and filter area allow for easy cleanup
* Limited 3-year warranty
</pre>

SeaFireLIV
06-01-2004, 12:51 PM
I`m actually expecting to see a fully workable aircraft soon, BaldieJr. You won`t need FB! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Black Sheep
06-01-2004, 01:07 PM
I just loaded up the P40 and you're right, it is a very simple, straightforward pit.

What might work really well is aiming to produce a generic set of allied gauges - I figure these would be the easiest to start with as you're familiar with the units, i.e. mph as opposed to kmh - and then move on to axis.

I figure these would still have a lot of appeal as, when it comes down to it, warbird gauges really aren't that different.

Certainly, generic U.S. / Brit / German sets would cover all bases I think. How much appeal these would have I'm not certain, though I think all hardcore simers of all types eventually end up building a pit of sometype.

Certainly, there are companies out there making a tidy living out of supplying general aviation gauges to pit builders.

Good luck, should be a lot of fun.

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-01-2004, 01:13 PM
I have to agree with Zen on this one. The 190 pits have to be the best laid out/ designed pits of the war. This wasn't only the general concensus of the Axis pilots, but the allied ones that got to fly/test it as well. It was described as a "pure pilot's" design.

On a second note. If I were to pick a pit in FB, I would choose the 109...simply preference. Kinda funny coming from someone who flies the P-39 most of the time eh?



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Atomic_Marten
06-01-2004, 01:19 PM
I like LaggS4 cockpit, it's pretty simple(although it's on cyrillic http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif). And Bf109G2 cockpit is nice too. LaGG will be my choice.

BuzzU
06-01-2004, 01:19 PM
P-51 of course.

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F19_Orheim
06-01-2004, 01:24 PM
hmm the one you fly the most I gues... so in my case the J8A or the Chaika...

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horseback
06-01-2004, 01:31 PM
Are you going to do "working" pits or replicas? If you design it to accept both working & static dials, you might cover a wider customer base.

The working pit could be wired to accept the inputs of the controls and take data for the dials & indicators from a 'real' simulator system, while the static pit could be modified to accept a monitor, keyboard drawer, & mounts for joystick or HOTAS for a PC.

In any case, the types mentioned are all good , but the nostalgia buffs will go for generic Spitfire, Warhawk, Mustang, and FW/Messerschmitt pits in about that order. Throw in an old parachute to sit on, and you could name your price!

cheers

horseback

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GAU-8
06-01-2004, 01:51 PM
nm... after re-reading the post , i see his intention, and my questions were answered http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

good luck baldie, wish you the best. im doing what i can to break into the same "sim" field but, different area. luyckily, sounds like youve all ready got the capital....i still have to deal with financial middle men..and interest is great..but response is "no".. LOL

for a cockpit, id say generic. detailed generics do really well

[This message was edited by GAU-8 on Tue June 01 2004 at 01:01 PM.]

BaldieJr
06-01-2004, 02:08 PM
GAU-8,

CNC machines are simple to make, and not as expensive as you think. I've seen one made from printer parts and junk-box motor controls... The guy invested a grand total of $170!

My budget is $600, and as you know, it will pay for itself in no time. If I can't make replica cockpit parts for pit builders and profit, I can always engrave awards and plaques for amatuer sports leagues http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
My Specs (read 'em and weep):
* Automatically grinds whole beans before brewing
* Fully programmable 24 hours in advance
* Brew Pause feature lets you enjoy a cup before brewing has finished
* Automatically shuts off when brewing is complete
* Grind-off feature for brewing ground coffee
* 1-4 cup feature to accommodate coffee for one
* 10-cup double-wall insulated thermal carafe to keep your coffee hot long after brewing
* Gold tone commercial-style permanent filter eliminates the need to buy coffee filters
* Charcoal water filter removes impurities from the water
* Separate grinder chamber and filter area allow for easy cleanup
* Limited 3-year warranty
</pre>

GAU-8
06-01-2004, 04:56 PM
wow!

thx for the info on that. i NEVER woulda thought it COULD come down to such a low price to build your own CNC.

i have some searching to do!

JG5_UnKle
06-01-2004, 04:57 PM
For layout Bf-109

Best artwork in FB goes to the Bf-110 - great pit imho

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Red_Russian13
06-01-2004, 05:01 PM
I'd build a 109 pit. Cause I love that plane. But with the job done on the Gladiator pit, the beauty of the work almost makes me nominate that one.

Red Russian

Red_Russian13
06-01-2004, 05:02 PM
JG5_UnKle;

Yes, I almost forgot about that one! Bf-110 is also nominated! Great pit.

Red Russian

crazyivan1970
06-01-2004, 05:08 PM
ME-110

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heywooood
06-01-2004, 06:08 PM
Ivan - you beat me to it...

I'll even wait the extra 'two weeks' to get it!

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heywooood
06-01-2004, 06:10 PM
Seriously though....

The J8 'pit and this time with a really big 'shop' fan mounted on the front and with a speed control rheostat slaved to the throttle lever in the 'pit ! Yeah.baby yeah. no doubt - and you could fly the I-16 or the Cr42 and be none the less immersed.

Picture it - a big 3' diameter electric fan out in front.. whats left of Heywoooods hair being blown straight back.. remaing cool on hot summer weekend afternoons whilst simming the hours away... Baldie ! heres my pre-order.

[This message was edited by heywooood on Tue June 01 2004 at 05:45 PM.]

Agamemnon22
06-01-2004, 07:22 PM
Pe-2, early series with the glazing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

heywooood
06-01-2004, 07:48 PM
Seriously Baldie Jr... the open cockpit with a big ol' Hampton Bay ceiling fan out in front.. hahaha oh man - you'll need those pneumatic bags that the lowriders use and slave 'em to the force feedback delio majiggers you know to kick the seat of your pants when you land - take off - take fire - stall buffet etc...

meh_cd
06-01-2004, 08:12 PM
Bf-110, even though it's a nightmare compared to others at first. It's just sooo purdy!

Flightvector
06-01-2004, 09:59 PM
I like the P-47 if only for its G-meter, fun for aerobatics http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Otherwise, the Fw190, Mustang, Bf110 are some of the most well renditioned panels in the game.

TheGozr
06-02-2004, 02:18 AM
The plane that attrack me a lot in real life is the I-16 open cockpit
I would love to own a real one.

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LEXX_Luthor
06-02-2004, 02:31 AM
Yes, I~16, and heywood's fan would cool the monitor too. One of those HUGE shop fans that blow a storm.

...CR.42 has the most sexy instrument lighting, and when lit would make great night light for the Home.


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JG27_Dacripler
06-02-2004, 05:16 AM
Fair Warning before the moderators show up: NO PORN !!

Black Sheep
06-02-2004, 06:07 AM
For a cheap and easy force feedback seat, attach the base unit from any surround sound system to your seat and set the base unit to high.

Fire the guns, start the engine, take hits etc and you sure know about it, along with the neighbours http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I don't use this system myself (bass unit is elsewhere in the room)but have seen it done and it works remarkably well.

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Zayets
06-02-2004, 07:35 AM
P-63,although is hard to decide for me.
Bf109-G's, Bf110 , they could also be my faves.

Zayets out

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BaldieJr
06-02-2004, 07:55 AM
Cheap easy force-feedback seat:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=49230&item=8108965860&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


Tear the backpack apart and remove the bass transducer. Mount it to the base of your seat.

You can purchase the bass transducers alone and use your own amp also.

Search for: Aura Interactor
There is a guy who has a warehouse full of the things. He sells them for $20 per unit. They're all brand new in the box.

They work quite well. You stop watching your tachometer after a week or two because you can feel the rpm.

Seems a lot of people like german pits.

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
My Specs (read 'em and weep):
* Automatically grinds whole beans before brewing
* Fully programmable 24 hours in advance
* Brew Pause feature lets you enjoy a cup before brewing has finished
* Automatically shuts off when brewing is complete
* Grind-off feature for brewing ground coffee
* 1-4 cup feature to accommodate coffee for one
* 10-cup double-wall insulated thermal carafe to keep your coffee hot long after brewing
* Gold tone commercial-style permanent filter eliminates the need to buy coffee filters
* Charcoal water filter removes impurities from the water
* Separate grinder chamber and filter area allow for easy cleanup
* Limited 3-year warranty
</pre>

Yellonet
06-02-2004, 07:56 AM
P-40 pit, nice and clean, everything you need in front of you.


- Yellonet

Freefalldart
06-02-2004, 08:15 AM
TIE interceptor, by far XD

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tsisqua
06-02-2004, 08:27 AM
Well, this USED to be my favorite pit. I haven't seen her i so long, that I probably have forgotten how to fly her. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Slechtvalk
06-02-2004, 08:41 AM
BI-1 "Rocket.

Red_Storm
06-02-2004, 10:43 AM
FW-190 hands down. Perfect lay-out.

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