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Xiolablu3
01-24-2004, 07:12 AM
I always preferred the cooler Empire in Star Wars to the poxy rebels and I am somehow drawn to the Luftwaffe side in FB too.

To me Tie Fighters,FW190's and Me262's will always be so much cooler than X-wings,Lagg 7's or Yaks.

Am I doomed to go to hell????

PS. U don't understand the power of the dark side....

Xiolablu3
01-24-2004, 07:12 AM
I always preferred the cooler Empire in Star Wars to the poxy rebels and I am somehow drawn to the Luftwaffe side in FB too.

To me Tie Fighters,FW190's and Me262's will always be so much cooler than X-wings,Lagg 7's or Yaks.

Am I doomed to go to hell????

PS. U don't understand the power of the dark side....

Heavy_Weather
01-24-2004, 07:23 AM
yep, you're doomed. just kiddin http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

its just a personal preference, nothing wrong with that.

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p1ngu666
01-24-2004, 07:37 AM
guess who oleg is similer too :O http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
for a time it was good, then he started making strange disisions, but it was still mostly good.

Astaldo711
01-24-2004, 08:11 AM
You just saw a connection between the Third Reich and the Empire? I remember seeing Star Wars in the theatres back in '77. My friend and I were like "wow! The Empire is German?"
I mean the uniforms look sooo much like German ones. There is something appealing about the Empire and Luftwaffe. Consider it a guilty pleasure....nothing wrong with it.

Hecht234
01-24-2004, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Astaldo711:
You just saw a connection between the Third Reich and the Empire? I remember seeing Star Wars in the theatres back in '77. My friend and I were like "wow! The Empire is German?"
I mean the uniforms look sooo much like German ones. There is something appealing about the Empire and Luftwaffe. Consider it a guilty pleasure....nothing wrong with it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anybody seen "Starship Troopers"? They have really cool german uniforms http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Hecht234

Afreaka
01-24-2004, 09:14 AM
There is also a great book by Michael Hardt, Antonio Negri called Empire. Where the usa is compared to the empire(star wars). Great book. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

SeaFireLIV
01-24-2004, 09:46 AM
I saw Star Wars as a kid in the 70s and thought it was great. A friend of mine was always the Rebels, but I loved the Empire! Especially the later Biker scouts!

NEVER, ever, did I compare them to the Reich of WWII though. And I never will.

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Oso2323
01-24-2004, 10:11 AM
The rebels never had cool hats. The empire always had good headgear. Those guys who ran the big laser on the deathstar? Oh yeah.

Choose the dark side? Cool fashion, but the pit of all evil. Tough call.


I always liked that destroyer captain with the english accent- I always thought he was misunderstood. He would have done better if he had joined an organization with a flatter structure - perhaps employee empowerment and multi-tasking would have improved his transferable skills.

Afreaka
01-24-2004, 10:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oso2323:
Choose the dark side? Cool fashion, but the pit of all evil. Tough call.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif lol

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01-24-2004, 10:51 AM
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BaldieJr
01-24-2004, 02:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Afreaka:
There is also a great book by Michael Hardt, Antonio Negri called Empire. Where the usa is compared to the empire(star wars). Great book. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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-HH-Dubbo
01-24-2004, 03:15 PM
I always thought Vader's helmet looked German. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
(The TIE fighters and so on belonged to the Imperial Navy. I don't think the Empire had an air force)



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Mentatassasin
01-24-2004, 04:32 PM
I think Vaders helmet looks like a Samurai helmet... but the officers do look very Wehrmacht like.

"I don't think the Empire had an air force"

They probably send down some TIE-bombers/fighters to support the groundtroops sometimes... or use the Star Destroyers for orbital supressing fire(ouch).

Speco
01-24-2004, 05:26 PM
It's no secret that George Lucas found ALOT of inspiration for the Empire in the nazi regime, I think he even addmited to that.

I alveys liked those Stormtroopers beter than the rebels, it must be the shining white armor http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ,

HarryVoyager
01-24-2004, 06:18 PM
In the books and games Star Destroyers were used for orbital bombardment. Let's just say, you didn't want to be there when it happened.

Harry Voyager

Xiolablu3
01-24-2004, 08:24 PM
I totally agree that the Germans uniforms are by far the coolest looking in WW2. See how the US and Britain have adopted the helmet shape too as they obviously decided it looked so much cooler than theirs :P (surely nothing to do with the fact it gives more protection around the neck! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

Also the German equipmant 'looks' efficient and cool.

Me 109's LOOK like killers, MG42's LOOK deadly.
Compare the MP40,MP44 and the Sten or Thompson, they just look so much cooler.

ANd dont even get me started on the King Tigers compared to the cromwell or Shermans...

Did the Nazi leaders have a condition of german equipment, that it must look deadly and cool?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hehe...you'd think so...

bakkan
01-24-2004, 08:42 PM
after reading this post, i remembered that a german friend once told me that german uniform was designed by Hugo Boss (don't know if is true http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif).
Any way... i found this site with very interesting material about german uniforms during WWII.
http://www.angelfire.com/sk2/germanuniforms/

Regards

Afreaka
01-24-2004, 10:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Also the German equipmant 'looks' efficient and cool.

Me 109's LOOK like killers, MG42's LOOK deadly.
Compare the MP40,MP44 and the Sten or Thompson, they just look so much cooler.

ANd dont even get me started on the King Tigers compared to the cromwell or Shermans...

Did the Nazi leaders have a condition of german equipment, that it must look deadly and cool?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hehe...you'd think so...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Some of the design ingenuity did survive the bombing. BMW engines(note the propeller logo), prosche engines and the chassis on these, like their ancestors, don't look bad either. "efficient and cool" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Menthol_moose
01-24-2004, 10:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bakkan:
after reading this post, i remembered that a german friend once told me that german uniform was designed by Hugo Boss (don't know if is true http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif).
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes... Ive read thats true. Some uniforms though, not sure about all of them. Some of uniforms were made with forced labour.

But really.. whats with all the SS skulls on the hats ?

I dont know if it was true, but lucas was aparently a BOB fan.

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Menthol_moose
01-24-2004, 10:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Afreaka:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Also the German equipmant 'looks' efficient and cool.

MG42's LOOK deadly.:<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And sound even more deadly ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

The basic design is still being used today !

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V_Flatspin
01-24-2004, 10:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Speco:
It's no secret that George Lucas found ALOT of inspiration for the Empire in the nazi regime, I think he even addmited to that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seems to me he found inspiration for the Trade Federation in Japan as well, esp the accents. And of course, the Japanese are the best businessmen in the world. Adapt Sun Tzu to business -- brilliant!

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Vipez-
01-25-2004, 05:29 AM
German uniforms may look like from Star Wars, but the planes are Imho the opposite way.. I-16 = Tie Fighter (same deadly green laser-plasma, same flight characterics).. and X-wing and BF-109 have very similar cockpit:

http://www.kenneth-norris.co.uk/xwing/images/cockpit.jpg

http://www.gew51.de/bilder/Hobby/Bilder-Flugsim/Cockpit-BF109G6-g.JPG

Tie Fighter = I-16, X-Wing = BF-109, Y-Wing = BF-110, Tie Advanced = La-5/La-7

George Lucas definately copied some of the designs from WW-2 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


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Jo_Schi
01-25-2004, 05:54 AM
Hi,
the Story of Combat on STAR WARS is the fight between the Zero and the Hellcat.

FettBratza
01-25-2004, 06:54 AM
I don' t know if it was mentioned earlier but George Lucas used the MG42, MG3 as a reference for designing the Strom Trooper Blaster Rifles. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

boohaa
01-25-2004, 07:14 AM
I agree about the Empire being modeled after Nazi's.George Lucas being a jew probably took that idea and ran with it for the bad guys in star wars.

Now I also agree that the germans had better looking equipment too.But what really gets me is when you get a medla in FB.The germans had the coolest medals also.The first medal I got in the BOB campaign I was very dissapointed.It looks like an old beat up coin comapred to the very kool Crosses and swords stuff.

huggy87
01-25-2004, 07:33 AM
The Empire as NAZIs?! Then why are all the imperials running around with British accents. They are cleary the 'British Empire' and the rebels are upstarts pissed off about correlian tea taxes or some such business. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
01-25-2004, 07:51 AM
On this Jerry stuff looked better in WWII, I have to admit that as a kid I was always thought German stuff looked better.

Compare nearly everything to the British and the USA and the Germans win everytime!

Uniforms: Clearly smarter.

Aircraft better lookinghttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gifexcept for Spitfire http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

Tanks can`t be denied. They had amzing looking tanks, they really said ` Don`t mess with me!

Guns. The mp40 Schmeisser. mg42.

Everything seemed designed to be dramatic and scarily attractive. I used to draw that stuff all the time as a kid. I can without reference draw just about any Jerry WWII thing accurately because the amount I drew them then!

Then I discovered what they really stood for, and my view radically changed.

But I can see why some people would compare them to the Empire.

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Oso2323
01-25-2004, 05:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
On this Jerry stuff looked better in WWII, I have to admit that as a kid I was always thought German stuff looked better.

Compare nearly everything to the British and the USA and the Germans win everytime!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was almost about to agree with you, but then I thought....

Pilot uniforms? The scruffy Brits with their colourful scarves looked much cooler.

He-111? Evil looking, but not cool. Now the Mosquito....

Trucks? Score one for Uncle Sam. My favorite is a Canadian one though: the 15cwt. My grandad drove a nice diamond Reo wrecker. And of course the jeep was cooler than the Kubelwagon.

I must be bored....

Platypus_1.JaVA
01-25-2004, 05:47 PM
Pffiouw.. Luckily we didn't have Hitler, shooting streaks of lightning out of his hands. And Goering didn't have to swordfight with his british son. Altough the latter case might have ended the war sooner, wich is good.

Well, what WWII character is Jabba the Hutt then? Maybe it is Goering too. Then we will have to pick a diffrent WWII figure for Dath Vader. Maybe Heinrich Himmler?

BTW, "Vader", like in "Darth Vader" means father in Dutch. So, I had a sneaking suspision that Dart Vader was the father of someone.



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Steaky_361st
01-25-2004, 06:51 PM
Gimme an A-Wing and ill be happier than a hog with a mouthful of slop http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

r_c
01-25-2004, 08:57 PM
http://www.x-plane.org/users/me262dude/Go229Medium.jpg
http://www.x-plane.org/users/me262dude/ayb.jpg http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JG53Hunter
01-26-2004, 12:56 AM
from the official Bundeswehr site:
http://www.bundeswehr.de/pic/wir/bilderbuch/mg3.jpg

Its the old design adapted to modern calibers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Btw, i as a German citicen see "some" tendencies to give the bad and cool guys a little german alike look and sound (voices). In the good movies like Star Wars thats no problem but there are quite some ugly films out there that nearly completly depend on that point. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif Dont like that ones.

Friendly_flyer
01-26-2004, 06:13 AM
Ah, good to se the old MG3 from my army days! Norway uses them too, rechambered for the 7,62 X 51 NATO (= .308 Win). The bolt in the ones I occationally cleaned still bore a lot of little eagels.

The Empire in Star Wars is a bit of most "highlights" from history. The politics are the Roman empire (with the shift from republican to imperial rule around the times of Augustus). The uniforms (and a lot of the equipment) are typically 3.rd Reich. The "stormroopers" is typically based on the "Sturmtruppen" from WWI, complete with "Kugelschpritze" (the guns are actually British Sterling MPs with the stock folded in) and the nazi units "based" on them (later the basis for the SS). The Imperial officers are soooo Pax Britannica. All in all Lucas has taken the most typical bits of a few empires and put them together, so that no-one can miss the point.

Lucas also saved money by using a lot of millitary surplus:

- The bandoliers of the jawas are British Boer War equipment.

- The gun that stunn R2D2 is a De Lisle carabin, a silenced gun built from a shortened Lee-Enfield SMLE.

- Han Solos gun is a Mauser M-96 with a scope and a flame surpressor.

- The Stormtroopers in Mos Aisly have MG42s, while the snowtroopers in Return of the Empire try to mount a Lewis MG of WWI-design.

- Leia is brandishing an BB-gun

etc.

But yes, I'll say the 3.rd Reich is the closest in style. When the Go-229 kome out, I expect an Imperial skin for it. There's a TIE-fighter pilot skin on IL2skins.com allready http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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JG26Red
01-26-2004, 10:29 AM
Do you guys also notice the similarities between Romans and Nazis...?

NegativeGee
01-26-2004, 11:16 AM
I'm surprised no one has pointed this one out with all the talk of guns used to make SW weapons http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The standard blaster weapon (which, incidently is supposed to be a rifle) carried by the Stormtroopers is built out of the British designed Sterling SMG. Check out these links:

Stormtrooper Blaster:

http://members.aol.com/yodashous2/anh.htm

Sterling SMG:

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg28-e.htm

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Freycinet
01-26-2004, 03:10 PM
The direct inspiration for the Tie fighters was the B-17 ball turret.

I think the smaller defence guns on the death star look a lot like US navy capital ship AA-guns. The big round helmets of the gunners are also inspired by capital ship gunners. The death star lasers ludicrously have a back-and-forth movement as they fire, as though they were throwing lead and not laser light.

Star wars play a lot on cliches from various war movies. Otherwise we wouldn't connect so much with the movies.

Petter, in the navy of Denmark where I served, we also had ex-german equipment. The periscopes on the danish submarines are Carl Zeiss scopes from German WWII subs. Good optics. We also used machine gun barrels and smaller items, such as the compass on the ship where I served. Yup, little eagles and swastikas everywhere...- on NATO ships!

Oblt.Emann
01-26-2004, 04:30 PM
I've always been a huge Star Wars fan(well, the original trilogy at least http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) and I've always noticed similarities between the Empire and the 3rd Reich.

The Imperial officer's uniforms look almost identical to standard Wehrmacht tunics, and actually, Darth Vader's helmet was inspired by the ones worn by the Tokugawa-era Samurai. There is also almost an uncanny similarity between the black uniforms worn by the Imperial Naval/Death Squad officers and the black garb worn by the SS.

George Lucas even said that he always took great pride in integrating elements from WWII into Star Wars, since George Lucas and Steven Spielburg have always been WWII nuts, despite both being Jewish. Heh, by the way, I've also noticed similarities in the flight characteristics of the TIE Interceptors and a few VVS planes in FB. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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SodBuster43
01-26-2004, 05:54 PM
I was sitting at work one day and suddenly heard my buddy who was sitting behind me talk into his coffee cup to immitate Darth vader. we shall rule the company!!!"

I almost fell out of my chair and everyone had a good laugh as there had been complete silence before this http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

As for Star Wars "Empire" resembling WWII German attire, I fully agree. But you will have to admit that Germany did have some of the best looking uniforms and head gear of any country. There was a purpose to this of course as their military dress gives one the impression of order, efficiency, power and discipline. This had some psycological impact on their foe as well.

Best regards,
SodBuster43

[This message was edited by SodBuster43 on Mon January 26 2004 at 09:19 PM.]

michapma
01-27-2004, 10:51 AM
Red 2, bandit, 7 o'clock low, it's a 109!

Roger, transferring full shields to rear quarter....

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StihlCanuk
01-30-2004, 02:28 AM
I learned how to fly in X Wing.Geez,does anybody even play that anymore?

Rodger,go with throttle up...

Platypus_1.JaVA
01-30-2004, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Everything seemed designed to be dramatic and scarily attractive. I used to draw that stuff all the time as a kid. I can without reference draw just about any Jerry WWII thing accurately because the amount I drew them then!

Then I discovered what they really stood for, and my view radically changed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL I used to draw bf-109's when I was a kid. One day on sunday's school, I drew another 109 with a Swastika on it. The teacher (nice lookin young lady, altough I didn't knew that at the age of 10) was really scared about me and told me to stop it instantly!! As far as I know, Swastika's aren't forbidden in Holland but, I was so scared by her reaction that I didn't dare to draw another swastika for years afterwards http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I was afraid she was going to tell my parents http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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HangerQueen
01-30-2004, 02:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Speco:
It's no secret that George Lucas found ALOT of inspiration for the Empire in the nazi regime, I think he even addmited to that.

I alveys liked those Stormtroopers beter than the rebels, it must be the shining white armor http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yeah, but you can't see a damn thing out of those helmets http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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jeroen_R90S
01-30-2004, 09:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:

LOL I used to draw bf-109's when I was a kid. One day on sunday's school, I drew another 109 with a Swastika on it. The teacher (nice lookin young lady, altough I didn't knew that at the age of 10) was really scared about me and told me to stop it instantly!! As far as I know, Swastika's aren't forbidden in Holland but, I was so scared by her reaction that I didn't dare to draw another swastika for years afterwards http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I was afraid she was going to tell my parents http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL as well, I used to draw Focke-Wulfs and Lightnings at that age as well... My teacher apperently liked my skills and the Mustangs, but didn't excactly enjoy the balkenkreuze and swastika!

Being Dutch as well, maybe we had the same teacher http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

While applying for a job at the Navy office in Den Helder, in a bored moment I accidentially drew a Hammer and Sickle on my fill-in paper. Later they took me apart and asked whether I was a commie or so..! Oh, and they didn't want me for a ship deck job, maybe that had to do with it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jeroen

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2004, 10:14 AM
Hmmmm Rebels or Darkside

Thats like asking should the good guy alwayes win..... Im a Badguy Fan I hate the goodguys in the Movies

I alwayes chear for the BankRobbers the Indians and the Psychokillers like Freddy Cruger & Jason... So of Corse I cheered for Darth Vader & the evil empire, I wish the empire would have won but they never do, I guess,, I alwayes go with the underdogs after all the goodguys have plenty of fans, the bad guys need some love too you know !!!

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Platypus_1.JaVA
01-30-2004, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jeroen_R90S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:

LOL I used to draw bf-109's when I was a kid. One day on sunday's school, I drew another 109 with a Swastika on it. The teacher (nice lookin young lady, altough I didn't knew that at the age of 10) was really scared about me and told me to stop it instantly!! As far as I know, Swastika's aren't forbidden in Holland but, I was so scared by her reaction that I didn't dare to draw another swastika for years afterwards http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I was afraid she was going to tell my parents http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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LOL as well, I used to draw Focke-Wulfs and Lightnings at that age as well... My teacher apperently liked my skills and the Mustangs, but didn't excactly enjoy the balkenkreuze and swastika!

Being Dutch as well, maybe we had the same teacher http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

While applying for a job at the Navy office in Den Helder, in a bored moment I accidentially drew a Hammer and Sickle on my fill-in paper. Later they took me apart and asked whether I was a commie or so..! Oh, and they didn't want me for a ship deck job, maybe that had to do with it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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That's hillarious!!!! Was it like you wanted to join the navy or were you called for duty? (dienstplicht) I was young enough for not having to serve in the millitary. and It gave me almost an heartattack when I received an envelope of the ministry of defence when I was about to turn eighteen. It turned out to be a message that I was in a database so that they could call me up when I was needed. My uncle is now Colonel in the army so, that's pretty high and my father went for a three-day selection for F-16 pilots but, was thrown out after three hours, because of his eyes.

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2 For with what judgment ye judge,
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SeaFireLIV
01-30-2004, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:

LOL I used to draw bf-109's when I was a kid. One day on sunday's school, I drew another 109 with a Swastika on it.
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Well, as a kid, I did that all the time. Even at school I drew Germans always winning all the battles (cos I couldn`t understand why they always kept losing no matter what), in a way it was a bit like Tom and Jerry, I always wanted Tom to win cos he always kept losing!

I even drew the Swastika http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Anyway, I recently visited my Dad and he keeps everything! I found an old biplane I made in woodwork class that I`d been telling my daughter about. To my horror it had swastikas all over it!

I carefully edited my wooden plane before showing it to my daughter.

Thing is I`m all for the Swastika in FB cos it reminds me what i`m fighting against and also historical accuracy and realism, but I can`t understand why noone at home or school stopped me or at least spoke to me about the significance. There are possibly 2 reasons:

1.My entire neighbourhood, including my Father are fascists. (Which I know he`s not).

2.They just saw me as a dumb kid drawing what he didn`t know and it wasn`t worth getting worried about it ie `He`ll grow out of it.`

SeaFireLIV...

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[This message was edited by SeaFireLIV on Fri January 30 2004 at 09:49 AM.]

jeroen_R90S
01-30-2004, 11:20 AM
@Platypus:
Quite hilarous indeed! I just turned 18 when they stopped conscription. When I was 16/17 or so, I wanted to join the Navy, so I applied for a deck job at their office voluntairy after already being turned down for a job as train driver at the railroad.
Apperently, the real reason for not accepting me, was that they would only allow ethnic minorities and women for that specific job. (Indeed the recruiting officer thought it was discrimination as well as I did!) I could become a radar operator or so, but had no math, and was quite bad at math as well, so I got turned down. Or was it the hammer and sickle after all? They were rather interested as to why I'd drawn that, but I didn't even know that myself, it just occured. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

@SeaFire:
Strange they didn't notice or take action with you drawing swastika's et all. Over here, kids are tought history and WWII quite soon, I don't know how that is where you live. Maybe it could have something to do with it, though?

Oh and....... I've just uncovered on of my precious artworks (please don't laugh, I had no Lightning sitting next to me... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) drawn into one of my old school organizers in 1994/1995.

I was about 16 years then and, although it may have taken about a minute to make, I remember this one quite well because the music teacher sent me out of class because I only made small drawings and didn't sing or even take interest in singing.
On the other hand, I can remember getting a 9 out of 10 rating for my MiG-23 painting a year later when I was 17. I'd always wanted to be an artist, but everyone advised me not to do so and seek an education/job in my other hobby, computers... Maybe I just don't have the talent for it, but at least I'd have known for certain then. I've since joined an evening course, so I can at least spend some time entrusting my mind-pictures to paper...

Oh well, enough OT-ing for now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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Jeroen

PS SeaFire, I like your signatures. Guess that's what happens if you draw (too) much at a young age: you become very good if you get older http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
(not me, though, see my He-219 sketches I posted some time ago. I did them after my first course lesson and a long time of not having drawn anything...)

[This message was edited by jeroen_R90S on Fri January 30 2004 at 10:35 AM.]

Piaggio108
02-04-2004, 02:34 PM
I would have to agree with you, Axis aircraft are so much cooler.