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BuzZz_WG
08-09-2004, 12:49 PM
I did a few missions online which involved fighting against Finland. I wondered why the Finnish airplanes had German symbols (different colours though) on their wings. I never took the trouble to look it up, but I find it quite interesting how Finland struggled between Germany and the Sovjet Union. If I sparked your interest, look here:
Finland in WW2 (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWfinland.htm)

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BuzZz_WG
08-09-2004, 12:49 PM
I did a few missions online which involved fighting against Finland. I wondered why the Finnish airplanes had German symbols (different colours though) on their wings. I never took the trouble to look it up, but I find it quite interesting how Finland struggled between Germany and the Sovjet Union. If I sparked your interest, look here:
Finland in WW2 (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWfinland.htm)

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THBF109
08-09-2004, 01:30 PM
As you probably found out our blue swastika has nothing to do with Germans, we started using it earlier and suprisingly to many still do today in many official insignia.

We had a thread about this couple of weeks ago, have a look:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=916101865

http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/thilakari/Kuvat/sekal/MT460.jpg

[This message was edited by THBF109 on Mon August 09 2004 at 12:40 PM.]

F19_Ob
08-09-2004, 01:50 PM
Thnx for the link....
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWmannerheim2.JPG

Actually I'm very interested in the photograph with hitler and mannerheim.
Maybe taken in Finland, perhaps even "Putikko" station where they actually met once.( Putikko = small town/village in Finland)
My mother was there (10 or 11 years old) and saw mannerheim and hitler. She told me about this a few months ago.......She was a tiny bit afraid of german soldiers , really only one particular officer, since this angry officers dog attacked her at the station ( at an other occasion) and he was very irritated because it pulled his arm when it bit her......thats why she remembered things that happened near that place.

In putikko she and a bunch of other kids secretly brought food to russian prisoners in a camp, when the guards didnt see ( fun game).
They used to pay back with songs and balalajka playing. They also waved and winked their eyes to the kids when the marched to dig trenches, it was a "joke"thing between them and the kids...it seems.

Putikko was a small place with a station, not far from the front. It was the trains last stop and the finnish soldiers marched to the front from there,. My father was one of those soldiers.
Its not totally unlikely that the photo in that link may be taken in putikko.


I'll see what I can find out about the photo...thnx again. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[This message was edited by F19_Ob on Tue August 10 2004 at 03:01 AM.]

(FIN)-Cowboy
08-09-2004, 02:20 PM
The picture is indeed taken in Finland, on Mannerheim's 75th birthday in 1942 when Hitler visited Finland. Some info about the visit (and the flight of Hitler's personal FW-200) can be found here:
http://www.geocities.com/finnmilpge/fmp_4_6_1942.html

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Finland Red, Egypt White

F19_Ob
08-09-2004, 02:34 PM
Many thanks (FIN)Cowboy..
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My mother also said they went into a Trainboxcar on the end of the rail.....Some kid "had" to give him flowers.

I'm not too familiar with the Finnish localities but I will try to find out.
It doesnt exactly say where, and I dont know how many railways there were, or if they visited more places.

But maybe.

Freycinet
08-09-2004, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by (FIN)-Cowboy:
The picture is indeed taken in Finland, on Mannerheim's 75th birthday in 1942 when Hitler visited Finland. Some info about the visit (and the flight of Hitler's personal FW-200) can be found here:
http://www.geocities.com/finnmilpge/fmp_4_6_1942.html

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Finland Red, Egypt White
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hitler-intercept/escort would be a great single mission in FB!!!

F19_Ob
08-09-2004, 02:50 PM
He he..Intercept mission http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif
Its actually a bit strange they didnt shoot at them from the ground . The Finnish antiaircraft gunners were famous for shooting first and ask questions later. Ilmari juutilainen frequently had to dodge own flak when returning from a mission.

Capt_Haddock
08-09-2004, 03:22 PM
Great story Ob. Thanks for sharing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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BuzZz_WG
08-09-2004, 04:53 PM
A Swedish count Erich von Rosen wanted to support the White Army and presented the first aeroplane - Thulin (Morane-Saulnier) Parasol - to it. The aircraft was flown from Sweden to Vaasa. Actually the first aircraft arrived to Pietarsaari from Sweden on the 26th of February, but it got engine failure and was delivered later to the White Army. The Chief Commanding Officer of the White Army, General C.G.E Mannerheim, named that Morane-Saulnier Parasol -fighter as the Finnish Air Forces aircraft number One.


Count Erich von Rosen was a notable expeditor who had used a swastika as a personal good luck symbol painted to his aircraft during his journeys in the Orient and he let the same symbol be painted to the given aifcraft. The blue, horizontal swastika became on the 18th of March 1918 the official insignia of the White Army aircrafts and when the Freedom War ended, the official national insignia of the Finnish Air Force. The same insignia was also used later on the Finnish Army armoured vehicles, for some misunderstandings at the beginning, some swastikas were painted mirrored, actually they should be painted clockwise.


The blue swastika was used in the Finnish Air Force until the Second World War ended and as You have now read, it has nothing to do with the Nazi symbol - tip pointed black swastika, which was actually a "party"-logo.

BREAK! BREAK!
Nevermind...

Taylortony
08-09-2004, 05:36 PM
Good on your mother F19_Ob I hope you now see her in a new light, for what she did was not only VERY brave but Very dangerous............

Among my many links I have found one for the Finnish Airforce showing the schemes used for all of the Aircraft in the war along with details of them, I have not posted it anywhere and I hope you will find them interesting, now if you scoot over to the requests forum at www.il2skins.com (http://www.il2skins.com) give them a few links and ask, you might be blessed with some of them to fly......
Enjoy the link and remember there is possibly people alive today telling a story to their grandchildren of an incredibly brave little girl that kept them alive when there needs were so dire..........

the link

http://www.sci.fi/~ambush/faf/faf.html

F19_Ob
08-10-2004, 03:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Taylortony:
Good on your mother F19_Ob I hope you now see her in a new light, for what she did was not only VERY brave but Very dangerous............

Enjoy the link and remember there is possibly people alive today telling a story to their grandchildren of an incredibly brave little girl that kept them alive when there needs were so dire..........

the link

http://www.sci.fi/~ambush/faf/faf.html&lt;HR&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; (http://www.sci.fi/~ambush/faf/faf.html<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>)



Thnx for the link and kind words.

........The kids at that time did pretty dangerous things...more out of curiosity I think. My mother also thinks the guards watching the Russian prisoners "looked" the other way many times, and they were many kids.
Anyway, many enjoyed listening to the Russian POW's songs and musik, soldiers too.
I'm not sure, but in this camp (not sure of its location or how big) perhaps the prisoners werent badly treated because many of them stayed after the war and got families.
Maybe they would have been executed for "surrendering" if they returned home?

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One of the things the kids did was to go and watch the Finnish soldiers at the station on their way to the front to be "slaughtered" as the elders said. The kids always wondered about that...why did they go to be slaughtered? so they looked at these men...to see what they looked like...on their way to that slaughter.

My father always joked with my mother about this. He was born in 1913 and she in 1931 , so he was one of those young men going to the "slaughter" from this station, and she was just a child at that time. ( they met long after the war)
He used to tell her that he "seemed" to remember a skinny, snotty nosed girl with ponytails hanging around the station, eyeballing him. "it must have been you" he said.( I though that was kind of funny...he he).

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I'm not sure of the accurasy in my mothers recollections but I will keep on interviewing her. Fortunatly she dont mind telling about the things that happened in those days.....and sometimes she goes on for hours. What surprizes me is the ammount of humanity in her stories and episodes.

[This message was edited by F19_Ob on Tue August 10 2004 at 03:09 AM.]

F19_Ob
08-10-2004, 04:11 AM
Thnx BuzZz... I didnt know about the mirrored svastikas. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

THBF109
08-10-2004, 11:23 AM
&gt; The blue swastika was used in the Finnish Air Force until the Second World War ended

And the swastika is still used by the airforce in many of their insignia and decorations. And like somebody posted in the previous thread it is also on the Presidents flag (well, its actually the Cross of Liberty thats on the flag but it includes the swastika).

I find it very cool that we didn't give it up just because of the international ignorance about the meaning of it (ie. all the swastikas became a tabu after the war). It after all symbolises Finnish freedom.

Ps. i've also seen the swastika painted so that it points left way but only on tanks.

BuzZz_WG
08-10-2004, 12:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THBF109:
Ps. i've also seen the swastika painted so that it points left way but only on tanks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is why (see my previous posts):

The same insignia was also used later on the Finnish Army armoured vehicles, for some misunderstandings at the beginning, some swastikas were painted mirrored, actually they should be painted clockwise.

BREAK! BREAK!
Nevermind...

THBF109
08-10-2004, 02:02 PM
Yes, I understood that. I was confirming it on my part saying that i've seen it too.

F19_Orheim
08-10-2004, 04:24 PM
Ob.. thanx for sharing... a joy to read...

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