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Dawg-of-death
08-14-2004, 10:09 AM
I think a well exicuted vulch dose.
What do you think?

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Dawg-of-death
08-14-2004, 10:09 AM
I think a well exicuted vulch dose.
What do you think?

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2004, 10:12 AM
Not really, but it's a job to be done, and it's historical. And, if somebody on the ground can't be bothered to check around before he rolls, that's his problem. Vulch away. It's a virtual form of Darwinism.

Personally, I avoid it. It's not worth the risk of exposing yourself to AAA and ground fire...unless, as I said, that's the mission you've been given.

Indianer.
08-14-2004, 10:48 AM
Depends what mood i'm in. If I cant find the fight and the enemy base is near then away I go. Also consider that I use the BF110, and get killed as soon as i'm airbourne so pls allow me this one pleasure in life.

As for skill....I would say yes, but not as much as most other aspects of this game.

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triggerhappyfin
08-14-2004, 10:58 AM
Yes it does!!

If you want to get back to base alive. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Dwelling around after you made your attack is leathal. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif



In real life it was one of the most dangerous tasks a pilot could get involved in.

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ZG77_Nagual
08-14-2004, 11:02 AM
Yes. I was on the TX oc3 server the other night and it's setup with missiong goals - so you really kinda have to vulch. I was stuck alone over a german base in my IL2 - I'd unloaded my ordinance on parked planes, and was vulching frantically trying to keep em from taking off and shooting me down! Ended up with three 109s on my six - but got quite a few of em. Not easy - depending on circumstance it takes as much skill as anything else

ASH at S-MART
08-14-2004, 11:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dawg-of-death:
I think a well exicuted vulch dose.
What do you think?

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Big Time Skill! But it is usally a byproduct of a base closer.. That is when we load up to go attack a base and take out the AAA so we can attack planes taking off (vultching) and live.. That takes skill and team work.. For a good example.. Next time you see me and Avair online in P-38s tag along with us and watch how it is done.

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Atomic_Marten
08-14-2004, 01:35 PM
If they make Pe-8 flyable I would join the vulching club. Because then it would required only start engines, take off, press "release bomb" button, survive bomb blast and land skill. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

WUAF_Badsight
08-14-2004, 02:08 PM
the skill is in crippiling your victim instead of merely landing hits

takes a while to spin round & take another pass (unless your in a Bip of course)

& the guy in the air can distract you from the respawner !

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VW-IceFire
08-14-2004, 10:16 PM
Against the typical dogfight server setup...no vulching isn't much of anything at all.

Against a proper setup like TX-0C3 or a similar setup where the bases are either a decent time away from your base (thus meaning that the team cannot sustain a cocerted attack throughout the duration of the map as I have seen) and/or the base has sufficient flak defense (light flak tends not to bog the system down too much and can be used effectively to keep vulchers plenty busy) in order to discorage all but the most determined and make the vulching a less common and more difficult to pull off manuver.

With 6 or 8 AAA batteries (with sandbag or cement protection!) flailing away at a enemy fighter or fighter-bomber attempting to shoot people on the ground...there won't be much time over the target.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2004, 10:28 PM
Ash, if you're gonna try to vulch a base in a P-38, let me know; I wanna be there to light you up and send you onto the tarmac in a flaming fireball. I'll show YOU how it's done. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Seriously, though, there aren't many planes that can PLAN to make repeated runs over an enemy base, if there's any kind of flak defense there. The Sturmovik, of course, would be one of them. Others would take the "one pass and haul ****" approach and bring enough planes to do a thorough working over of the base in that one pass.

tascaso
08-14-2004, 10:49 PM
I agree i got vulched today in the WC server while attempting a takeoff in a me262. The idiot got to close and flew through the fireball that had been the fuel tanks ..... oooooops....what a noob and an infidel. Then while attempting to kill a p51 i had a crash with a fw and was immediately kicked off the server I still do not know who flew into whom!

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Sturmtrooper
08-14-2004, 11:11 PM
Dumb question .
ANY kind of aerial gunnery requires some form of skill . (even in a sim)
The whole question is can you vulch without becoming a lawn-dart,without getting shot by flak,without getting shot by an enemy aircraft,and without missing your target,and still make it back to base alive and in one piece ?
What do you think ?

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ASH at S-MART
08-14-2004, 11:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Ash, if you're gonna try to vulch a base in a P-38, let me know; I wanna be there to light you up and send you onto the tarmac in a flaming fireball. I'll show YOU how it's done. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's a date! As long as I can have Avair shaparon us! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Seriously, though, there aren't many planes that can PLAN to make repeated runs over an enemy base, if there's any kind of flak defense there. The Sturmovik, of course, would be one of them. Others would take the "one pass and haul ****" approach and bring enough planes to do a thorough working over of the base in that one pass.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>We talking in real life or sim life? Because in sim life me and Avair have closed MANY a base's AAA and contined on to vultch the H out of the enmy aircraft.. ie many Many MANY passes.. Trick is to take out teh AAA first! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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VMF513_Sandman
08-15-2004, 01:31 AM
with light aaa, droppin a bomb on the parking lot close enough to kill is a bit of an artform, but to try to strafe the strip without dealin with the aaa first is foolhardy. in war, it's obviously differnt. war is of attrition. kill them before they can kill u. if u were to destroy planes on the ground, that's 1 less plane u'd have to deal with later. unless the base was heavily defended, i dont see much skill in vultching with guns. u just might need that ammo to get home in 1 piece, so i prefer to just drop an egg on em.

Lord-Raptor
08-15-2004, 03:12 AM
If we ever get a tempest, it will be vulchers heaven http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Dolemite-
08-15-2004, 03:20 AM
I never fly bombers, so when I vulch (rarely) its in a fighter. If I actually plan on bombing an airbse I'll load up my fighter (P-51) with a couple of 250 lb. bombs. I'll climb to altitude, 6000m, pass over the enemy base...go into a brief dive and release the bombs, while still around 6000m. I always hit my targets... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Does it take skill? I dunno, my bombs are laser guided.

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Tully__
08-15-2004, 05:26 AM
No less skill than any other ground attack mission, maybe a little more.

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SeaFireLIV
08-15-2004, 05:45 AM
Only a little skill. I would have said none once, but I`ve seen enough people plough straight into the ground after a mad vulch attack even though they`ve not actually been hit to convince me that a little skill needs to be involved.

I`ve vulched targets (on and offline) and find you must have a PLAN ready BEFORE you attack (pull out time, exit, etc). Not much skill required, unless you`re the impatient, excitable type.

LeadSpitter_
08-15-2004, 07:26 AM
in warclouds it does something like 12-16 aaa batteries http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Safer to just stay away, even flying over an enemy base at 8000m the flak will get you

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Nubarus
08-15-2004, 07:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord-Raptor:
If we ever get a tempest, it will be vulchers heaven http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Will it ever, hehehe. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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VW-IceFire
08-15-2004, 07:43 AM
With that many AAA batteries, it would take exceptional skill to vulch a base and shutting it down would take a rather large contingent of fighters. Honestly, any team that lets that many aircraft through their CAP deserves to have their base vulched.

Tempest and vulching could be fun...450 mph high speed attack run! Woo!

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Platypus_1.JaVA
08-15-2004, 07:48 AM
In Icons-off servers, it pays-off to take off in a fully laden Il-2, take a detour, flying very low so, you won't be detected. (that means navigating with your map) The you approach the enemy base in the back and you can make two or three vulching runs before anyone notices what's going on, and be gone along the same route you came. You can land back at your base with very little damage. The point is that everyone flies directly to the enemy base so, no-one will expect a Vulcher, coming in from the opposite side http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LW_lcarp
08-15-2004, 09:52 AM
NONE! There is no skill required to vultch. Any noob can do it.

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ASH at S-MART
08-15-2004, 10:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
With that many AAA batteries, it would take exceptional skill to vulch a base and shutting it down would take a rather large contingent of fighters. Honestly, any team that lets that many aircraft through their CAP deserves to have their base vulched.

Tempest and vulching could be fun...450 mph high speed attack run! Woo!

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badatit
08-15-2004, 11:43 AM
I think so...If I cant find any airborn targets, I'll head for an enemy base, and start out by strafeing AAA, usually before I can kill all of them enemy A/C show up to do me harm &lt;grin&gt;.

Very tough to pull this off succesfully.
Badatit is definitely a vulcher!

Dawg-of-death
08-15-2004, 02:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
NONE! There is no skill required to vultch. Any noob can do it.

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Not true a well exicuted vulch is like a good bomb run..... seasoned vets are best. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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