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Chuck_Older
06-23-2004, 10:17 AM
Are there any books on Ernst Udet's life? I have read two conflicting snippets of his career in the Luftwaffe. One says he was surprised at his own incompetence as an administrator in the Luftwaffe but Goering wouldn't releive him, and another says that Udet was blackmailing Goering to keep his post despite his incompetence!

I would also like to read about his WWI exploits, and his between the wars experiences, such as crash-landing a prototype Bf109 during an air race.

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The hillsides ring with, "Free the People",
Or can I hear the echoes from the days of '39?
~ Clash

Chuck_Older
06-23-2004, 10:17 AM
Are there any books on Ernst Udet's life? I have read two conflicting snippets of his career in the Luftwaffe. One says he was surprised at his own incompetence as an administrator in the Luftwaffe but Goering wouldn't releive him, and another says that Udet was blackmailing Goering to keep his post despite his incompetence!

I would also like to read about his WWI exploits, and his between the wars experiences, such as crash-landing a prototype Bf109 during an air race.

*****************************
The hillsides ring with, "Free the People",
Or can I hear the echoes from the days of '39?
~ Clash

Jenny_B
06-23-2004, 11:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
I have read two conflicting snippets of his career in the Luftwaffe. One says he was surprised at his own incompetence as an administrator in the Luftwaffe but Goering wouldn't releive him, and another says that Udet was blackmailing Goering to keep his post despite his incompetence!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

According to an Udet documantary by historian Guido Knopp, the first version is true.

http://books.stonebooks.com/cgi-bin/foxweb.exe/base/subjects?1003244

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:The hillsides ring with, "Free the People",
Or can I hear the echoes from the days of '39?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To paraphrase another title of that double album, by saying "Udie can't fail" would only be true up to the point where he took that Luftwaffe job.

--Jenny

Chuck_Older
06-23-2004, 11:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jenny_B:
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To paraphrase another title of that double album, by saying "Udie can't fail" would only be true up to the point where he took that Luftwaffe job.

--Jenny


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jeroen_R90S
06-23-2004, 11:47 AM
Hi Chuck,

I have a copy of his autobiography. At first I was sceptical about it's contents, but on WWI boards i've been told it's not that bad. I have a Dutch 1943 translated version called "Mijn leven als Vliegenier", which roughly translates into "My life as an Aviator".
The original German title is Mein Fliegerleben.

Maybe you already know it, maybe not. Anyway, it deals with WWI, his interwar years and stops roughly with the rise of Adolf to power.
It's quite a nice read, if not a *bit* of propaganda.

The thing that made me suspicous, is the last page, which reads, translated again:

GENERALOBERST UDET KILLED

Berlin, 18th November 1941. (DNB) - The chief of military aviation, Generaloberst Udet, while testing a new weapon, has been involved in a serious accident. While on the way (to the hospital, added by me) he died of his injuries.

By decree of the Führer he, who tragically died while fulfilling his duties, will be given a state funeral.

In the previous war he was an aviator and victor in 62 aerial combats.

In recognition and honor of his extrordinairy (sp?) services and merits while building up the Luftwaffe, the Führer has named 'JG 3' after Generaloberst Udet.

Not the most unbiased and does not detail at all with the build up of the Luftwaffe, but still a fun read.

Jeroen

PraetorHonoris
06-23-2004, 11:59 AM
A very nice piece of literature is Carl Zuckermayer's "Des Teufels General" (devil's General) from 1946. It is a drama about the General Harras, who begins to have moral doubts concerning Hitler's regime.

It bases on Udet's story dealing with Moral and Guilt in Hitler's Reich and the historical background is always present. (You should know something about WWII and Germany during that time to understand this drama)

I am not sure, wether it was translated in English or not...

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7306/Aermelband.jpg
Jagdgeschwader 71 "Richthofen"

The Wehrmacht is the term for the German armed forced from 1935 to 1945. It included three Teilstreitkr¤fte.
1. The Heer, which is the term for the army included several Waffengattungen like the Panzer (tanks) or the Gebirgsj¤ger (mountain troops).
2. The Luftwaffe included not only the Fliegende Verb¤nde (flying troops) but also the Flak and several ground troops like the Fallschirmj¤ger (paras).
3. The Kriegsmarine, the navy. The navy formed some ground troops as well.

p1ngu666
06-23-2004, 01:43 PM
think he killed himself.
he was a GREAT pilot, saw some old film, how he didnt die 298349834894389753 times i dont know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif.
the lufty job wasnt for him, and it didnt go well
his interwar airshows and films where great flying tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

oh i call him a great pilot for his airshow stuff, not the 62 or whatever kills

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jeroen_R90S
06-23-2004, 01:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
think he killed himself.
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Yeah, hence my suspect-feeling at this last page... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jeroen

Timex62
06-23-2004, 02:10 PM
In addition to "The Devil's General" there is also a book I read as a kid that I believe was titled "Ace of the Iron Cross".

Close to the Edge

jeroen_R90S
06-23-2004, 02:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Timex62:
.... "Ace of the Iron Cross".

Close to the Edge<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, that's the English translation of Mein Fliegerleben. Forgot the title... -writing it down right now. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jeroen

JG52_wunsch
06-23-2004, 02:53 PM
yeah,he was a great pilot,hopless administrator
started drinking and took his own life.should have never been put in that situation.at least thats my understanding.

After it was refeuled i climbed in.With many manipulations the mechcanics started the turbines.I followed their actions with the greatest of interest.The first one started quite easily.the second caught fire.In no time the whole engine was on fire.Luckily as a fighter pilot i was used to getting quickly out of the cockpit.The fire was quickly put out.The second plane caused no trouble - Adolf Galland (first time in a ME262)

p1ngu666
06-24-2004, 06:36 AM
ya, think he was right on some things and wrong on others in admin

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ploughman
06-24-2004, 08:12 AM
I once saw some footage of him showing off in a bi-plane when the engine quit. He immediately turned the plane on its side, slipped vitually all the way to the ground and before levelling the wings and puttting the plane down onto a track. Must have taken him about ten seconds to go from "Oh f@ck" to "mine's a Martini, please." Amazing.

F19_Olli72
06-24-2004, 08:27 AM
IIRC one of the reasons of his suicide was the intrigues and plotting by Erhard Milch who also was a friend of G¶ring.

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