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Greenwidth
05-24-2004, 04:52 AM
I'm having some trouble landing the P63. Even @ c.150 the nose rears up alarmingly on touching the ground, any faster and it bounces like its on a trampoline.
Although I'm not the best pilot in the world, I have no trouble landing anything else, any tips?
Thanks!

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Greenwidth
05-24-2004, 04:52 AM
I'm having some trouble landing the P63. Even @ c.150 the nose rears up alarmingly on touching the ground, any faster and it bounces like its on a trampoline.
Although I'm not the best pilot in the world, I have no trouble landing anything else, any tips?
Thanks!

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S1.Tempest
05-24-2004, 04:57 AM
Try to keep the nose tire up when you first touch the ground. Then lower it.

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Huxley_S
05-24-2004, 05:03 AM
The P63 and P39 are different to all the other a/c in the game as they have a tricycle landing gear configuration.

You need to come in to land gently and judge your airspeed so that you drop onto the runway with all three wheels at the same time. Unlike the other a/c you don't pull back on the stick, rather you leave it neautral and you can start applying the brake generously because there is less chance of the plane tipping over thanks to that front wheel.

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Greenwidth
05-24-2004, 05:33 AM
Thanks for the help!
I appreciate that the P39 and P63 are different in terms of gear, but I have no trouble landing the P39....
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p1ngu666
05-24-2004, 06:04 AM
drop gear at over 400, the rear ones rip off, and its much easier to land

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Art-J
05-24-2004, 07:07 AM
Loooooong nose gear strut causes lot of trouble to ex P-39 & P-38 drivers. You must get used to make a approach with higher angle than in other tricycle planes. This will prevent you from hitting the ground with nose wheel first and as a result - bouncing like crazy. It's tricky and annoying 'cause the only thing you must see in front of you before touchdown is sky only http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, but after some training You'll do just fine.

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VW-IceFire
05-24-2004, 07:56 AM
I always crash this thing...very tough to land. I guess you have to put the rear wheels on the ground first and let the main wheel come down onto the ground. In practice very difficult.

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Greenwidth
05-24-2004, 08:39 AM
Ah!!!
Long nose gear! That would explain it.
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Tully__
05-24-2004, 09:00 AM
Landing demo track available here (http://members.optusnet.com.au/tully_78th/p63landing.zip)

It took me three tries, and the flare was still too early/high on the 3rd try. You have to get the nose way high to get the 3 pointer and even higher for rear wheels first.

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LuftLuver
05-24-2004, 09:24 AM
Landing all 3 is not right.

Land as if you only have standard 2 gear. Float the nosewheel as long as possible while riding the back two. The nose will drop on its own when it's good and ready. Slam on the brakes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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BpGemini
05-24-2004, 11:01 AM
The P-63 is less forgiving than the P-39 on the angle of touchdown. In the P-63 come in almost flat without letting the front wheel touch the ground on touchdown. Then let it gently fall to the ground.

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Greenwidth
05-24-2004, 11:11 AM
Thanks for the track! S'gonna take some getting used to tho!
I only fly 'no externals' - so I hadn't seen just how big the front gear is!
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p1ngu666
05-24-2004, 11:48 AM
rip the gear off, u wont bend ur prop cos of nosewheel http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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mortoma
05-24-2004, 12:32 PM
I start my flare a little high after an approach of between 190 and 200Kph indicated. I slowly pull back...back...back, so as to touch down on my mains at about 140 to 150Kph. Just make it a more gradual flare than normal. Some other guys were suggesting touching down on all 3 gear at once. While this is ok in a sim, it is NEVER recommended in RL in any tricycle gear plane. It does seem to work ok in this sim but it's better to touch down at the slow speeds I recommended so as to land on the mains first. At any time I touched my nose-wheel down first or at the same time as the mains, my flight instructor would raise fits during my private pilot training. That was in a '77 C172 Skyhawk II and my instructor said it applies to all trikes. I live by that rule. Just realize that the landing speed for the P-63 is not modelled right so you have to touch down at speed more similar to a I-153 or I-16!!! The nose should be high enough to land mains first at more like 170 or 180 Kph but they screwed up the FM with this bird.

GEO-oNe
05-25-2004, 07:11 PM
really? whats the correct touchdown airspeed of the P-63

LeadSpitter_
05-25-2004, 09:14 PM
Land on the back two wheels then ease the nose down very gently and apply short brake taps, also rudder right and left along with break slow you down quicker.

And never go on the grass with 2.01 in the 63 or 39 oleg decided to add the stupid bounce off runway that throws your plane 500m in the air.

Its killed me a couple times in warclouds on final wheels touch then a new spawner guns it headed straight for you. you do a slow move out of the way one wheel of the 109 hits the grass and sends you 50m in the air that explodes your aircraft when hitting the ground again

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Hawg-dawg
05-25-2004, 10:46 PM
WHEEL BARROWING will make it bounce.

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LeadSpitter_
05-25-2004, 11:45 PM
well for me landing on all 3 wheels is what makes it bounce and usually stikes the prop

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SUPERAEREO
05-26-2004, 02:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mortoma:
(...) Some other guys were suggesting touching down on all 3 gear at once. While this is ok in a sim, it is NEVER recommended in RL in any tricycle gear plane. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am no RL pilot, but I was going to say the same thing: tricycle gear planes never do three-point landings because the correct procedure (and the healthy option if you want to remain in one piece or at least not to wreck your crate) is to touch down with the rear wheels first and then to let the nose gear come down.

Not sure about the FM of the P-63 though, but I know very little about the aircraft itself.

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