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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:24 PM
Im a big airplane buff, so out of curiosity, what is your favorite airplane, glider, helicopter or ultralight?

my top 5 are:

1. F-15E
2. A-10
3. B-52
4. UH-1 Huey
5. A320 family of Airbuses.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:24 PM
Im a big airplane buff, so out of curiosity, what is your favorite airplane, glider, helicopter or ultralight?

my top 5 are:

1. F-15E
2. A-10
3. B-52
4. UH-1 Huey
5. A320 family of Airbuses.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:24 PM
ya, i like the b-52

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:25 PM
The only planes I like are the ones that take off perfectly, stay in the air, and land gracefully w/o any mechanical/pilot/ or other errors or Terrorists!!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:26 PM
U2



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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:26 PM
well terrorist planes don't land perfectly.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:26 PM
oooohh...nice choice spinnaker...

Ill admit i also have a place in my heart for the Cessna 152, as thats the plane i learned how to fly in...

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:27 PM
and they don't like buying there own.

Bin Laden is that thrifty.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:27 PM
i wish i could fly. i wanna get flying lessons soon

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:28 PM
you can, hot glue some feathers and jump of a building.



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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:31 PM
Don't try that at home!!!!!!! LOL

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:34 PM
try it on a 30 storey building instead /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:34 PM
If you want to take flying lessons, get a good job, several of them /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif I was working about 40 hours a week and i still couldnt afford to finish...im kicking myself for that too... I had 3 lessons left before my PPL test, then i would have been a certified private pilot, from where i could start out a career as a pilot... unfortunately i almost missed several car payments my car because i was paying for flying lessons, and the car was more important, and i couldnt afford both... So now i continue to sit at this desk in the noisy, borring warm grocery store, baby sitting a bunch of 16 year old cashiers who are probably going to be here the rest of their lives too...poor kids, i hate having to hire people, because i cant warn the kids about how bad a place to work it is... Had i kept flying i could have had an Instrument and commercial rating by now, proably even a twin engine certification...i could be sitting behind the controls of a beechcraft or something at 3 miles high instead of this desk...*bangs head on desk, takes out bottle of scotch* well, ive got some work to do, ill be gone a few minutes...

I still might change my mind though, ive considered joining the Air Force reserve, but im not sure if they will take me, as when i tried the marines they told me no way beause of my knees.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:34 PM
can I video tape that?

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:35 PM
OUCH!

No really, I like 777's cause they've got a tv screen built into the back of the chair in front of you.... so you each get your own little screen! LOL /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:37 PM
More of my favorites are the the F-14 Tomact (who desnt like that thing, its the sexiest plane out there) the CH-47 Chinook and the good ole 737-300.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:38 PM
Never thought of a plane as 'sexy'.... you're scaring me USA...... LOL /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:40 PM
I've got 2, the facet blue, and the U2

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:40 PM
i kno nothing about planes, i like ones with wings /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:40 PM
personal entertainment TV's are no longer on only 777's, just about every plane has them now adays, it mainly is up to the airline...

I know just about all 777's and about 90% of Airbus A340's and A330's have some type of TV's. Most 767's also have TV's.

I know also that some airlines equip other aircraft with TV's. Jetblue puts TV's with DirectTV in its Airbus A320's, and Legend has em in its DC-9's...

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:42 PM
SEANYBOYT wrote:
- i kno nothing about planes, i like ones with wings

umm,, 1 problem with that.

THEY ALL HAVE WINGS! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:42 PM
planes that are fast, have smooth curvaceous structures and are very high performance (ie good climb speed, high Angle of Attack, tight turn radius) and a good paint job are often refered to as "sexy".

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:43 PM
Well that's the only one that I've been on that had a TV at EVERY seat. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:44 PM
not all planes hav wings, the ones u see plumiting towards the sea don't

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:48 PM
umm,, those are torpedos. dropped BY planes.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:52 PM
lol i'm not bein serious, but i genuinly kno nothing about planes, apart from that one where the back fin thing ripped off

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:53 PM
I've got so much temptation to kill you right now. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:55 PM
{checks body for bullet holes} /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:56 PM
:O y kill me?

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:57 PM
y? because you are a no good piece of poo. j/k

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 05:59 PM
poo? well that is harsh, i kno loads about paper planes/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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07-13-2003, 06:00 PM
i could say worse but id get banned /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 06:07 PM
SEANYBOYT wrote:
- poo? well that is harsh, i kno loads about paper
- planes

must,,, end,,, the ,,,,ssshhhtttuuuppiiddd

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 06:11 PM
Eh.. er,..... What is the best built plane, then, USA? Safest? Besides bombers.....LOL /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 06:13 PM
anything from China,,, oh wait did you say best??

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 06:14 PM
Doe!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 06:26 PM
b-2 bomers...

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07-13-2003, 06:56 PM
The Facet Blue

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 10:32 PM
Lets get this topic back on track now./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
last plane post by usa.
planes that are fast, have smooth curvaceous structures and are very high performance (ie good climb speed, high Angle of Attack, tight turn radius) and a good paint job are often refered to as "sexy".

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 10:36 PM
well this is not very interesting thread but ill say a lear jet.......

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 10:47 PM
I like the 777, Cessnas, and the space shuttle. The Shuttle has to go thru a lot more than any other thing that flies, including the stress of take-off and landing, the heat of re-entry, and the pressure changes from land to space.

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07-13-2003, 10:48 PM
of course, that is why the thing goes, what, 30000 miles per hour...

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07-13-2003, 11:57 PM
the B2-Spirit!!!!!!!

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07-14-2003, 12:39 AM
I reckon their is no crash-free plane out there, every plane has its faults... however it depends on the pilots skill and the maintenence recieved. For example, in Africa, one would say a 737-200 could be the most dangerous airplane, as their poor infrastructure and repair facilities, along with a need for trained pilots makes it harder to maintain and operate the airplane.

The same plane however could be the safest plane in EUrope or America, where resources are plentiful and pilots are numerous.

There is no "safest plane"...in combat i would say the B-2, as it is nearly impossible to locate...

As for airliners, they all have their ups and downs. In the end it comes down to the pilot flying the aeroplane and the mechanic who fixes and checks it...not the plane itself.

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 12:47 AM
In regards to how safe airplanes are:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TRAVEL/07/13/airline.safety.ap/index.html

there were only 2 serious commercial airplane accidents in the US this year, neiter had any fatalities... IN somewhere like Africa though they rarely go more than a month without an airplane slamming into a mountain, mainly because of poor maintenence.

Another thing to note, i heard people saying how we lost many planes because of accidents in iraq. yeah, we lost maybe 4 or 5 planes and about the same number of helicopters, but you must also remember that those planes were flying a huge number of hours every day of the war, and the stress of combat puts quite some fatigue on the airframe of the aircraft. When you launch several hundred airstrikes in one day, you must expect that one or two planes wont make it back.

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 05:28 AM
The SR-71 Blackbird is cool, so is the EC-135(and the entire -135 (based on the 707 models). All of these planes are military.

Of course, though, who wouldn't like the F-35. I'm so glad it won over the X-32 in the JSF Competition. Anyone else agree or disagree?

Oh, and Boeing's 7X7 looks interesting, then again, so does the Airbus A380. The A380's gonna be huge! (Only if the runways can support its weight though, which right now only a few can.)

Oh, and anyone know if Boeing is still planning on making the 747 Stretch?

XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 06:01 AM
"I'm so glad it won over the X-32 in the JSF Competition. Anyone else agree or disagree?"

Me too. THe X-32 resembles Jay leno...

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Notice the air intake under the X-32's nose, then look at Jay Leno's chin... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif hehehe... Honestly, both the X-35 and X-32 both had their ups and downs, but in the end the F-35's performance was better, and i reckon less expensive, and of course better looking.

As for the 747 stretch, i think boeing stopped that project and invested more into the 777 and the new 7E7.

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 06:08 AM
1. F/A 18E Hornet
2. Northrop and Grumman B-2 Spirit
3. AH-64A Apache
4. V-22 Osprey
5. F-15E Strike Eagle

XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 06:13 AM
I don't know how I missed it, but I like the F-22 Raptor.

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07-14-2003, 06:20 AM
everytime i look at that photo of the X-32 above a photo of Jay Leno i crack up in laughter...ive never seen an airplane look so much like a man.

Oh and about the F-22 Raptor, they have officially changed its name to F/A-22, as they have expanded its air to ground attack capabilities.

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 09:21 AM
My favourite aircrafts in no particular order:

F-14, F-15, AH-64D, B-2, F/A-18 and the Harrier (mostly for its flying capabilities - it is not a beautiful plane)

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07-14-2003, 03:11 PM
Favorite Modern Day plane -
F/A 18
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07-14-2003, 03:23 PM
I like the X-Wing.....kicks all a**

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2003, 05:26 PM
we are talking about real airplanes, past and present, not space crafts from movies.

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07-14-2003, 05:27 PM
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- I like the X-Wing.....kicks all a**

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07-15-2003, 12:40 AM
Thanks usa320 for correcting me about the 7X7 being the 7E7. I couldn't quite remember, so I figured the X would be fine. Also, thanks for clearing up about the 747 Stretch. The JSF competition was actually quite interesting for me, for now Boeing isn't doing too good, though had Boeing won, Lockheed would have collapsed. My grandma and my aunt work(ed) for Boeing, yet my grandpa was an engineer for Lockheed. He actually helped design the SR-71, supposedly, though he is now schizophrenic and extremely hard to talk to and communicate with, but you can tell he is really brilliant, sort of like John Nash in A Beautiful Mind. Anyways, I do know that my grandpa also worked for several other companies, and with one, I cannot quite remember, but I believe Focke, registered a patent. It is supposedly under my grandpa's name, but there is no way to determine that without calling up the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office because it was registered before 1976, and therefore is not in the online directory. That patent was for the kitchenettes used in commercial airliners.

Does anyone know where I could find a list of engineers involved in the SR-71 project? I would like to find out if my grandpa really worked on it. There's no proof of it now, other than his name. Then again, I cannot imagine the U.S. Government leaving proof of such an aircraft behind.

My favorite classic plane is the P-38J from WWII. "The Fork-Tailed Devil" spent most of its time just above the treetops because the enemy pilots weren't trained as well, so they couldn't fly that low without crashing. (I hear the ground sucks you in, though I've never flown, so I wouldn't know.) Not to mention the P-38 was very stable, for those times.

Oh, and did you guys know that the 747's wingspan is longer than the Wright Brother's first flight!? Seriously.

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 12:43 AM
I really doubt you will find much regarding the construction and design of the SR-71, however i think alot of the material regarding the A-12 is declassified. The A-12 was the attack plane prototype similar to the SR-71. The project was cancelled in favor of more manueverable multi-role fighters, but what was learned led to the finished product SR-71.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 01:20 AM
Thanks USA. I'd really like to believe my grandpa, but I know lots of people claim they've worked on such projects. My gut feeling, though tells me to believe him, and while he's not in the best shape mentally right now, he definitely is brilliant, and then again, definitely suffers from some hallucinations. It is so sad that all our brilliant minds are always affected by these mental disorders.

And USA, didn't you mention something about you wanting to join the Air Force Reserves? I don't know much about it, but my dad was in the Air Force Reserves as a Crew Chief for a KC-135 for 22 years. I can't tell you how much everyone likes to hear his stories, and it's made me think about going to the Air Force Academy in hopes of becoming an Aeronautical Engineer. I hear they're starting to see a drop in the number of students interested in Aeronautical Engineering, so they are consequently expecting a drop in Engineers within the next few years, which will hopefully raise the pay. (Which, contrary to expected, is quite low.)

If you have some questions about the Reserves, though, I can relay them to my dad and try and get some answers.

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 01:47 AM
F-4 Phantom

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07-15-2003, 01:58 AM
the phantom was a great plane...

Still is today.

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07-15-2003, 01:59 AM
correct me if I'm wrong but its a SAM buster now?

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07-15-2003, 02:08 AM
Not in the US... I dont believe there are any phantoms left in US service other than in the testing or target drone role. The Israeli air force, among others, still use them, with a few upgrades they are still a force to be reckoned with.

Back in the 60's and 70's, the F-4 is what the F-16 is today. It was mainly used for Fighter sweeps and air patrols, shooting down N. Vietnamese MiG's, though it also was later fitted to carry the AGM-45 Shrike missile and a heavy bomb load, and it did do alot of SAM Busting. They also used them for strikes against industry and airfields, though that was usually left up to A-6's, A-4's and F-105's. In The 80's most of them were retired, a bunch were transfered to the Reserves and Air National Guard. Most F-4's that werent retired by the Mid 80's were either the latest E and G models, or were C models converted to RF-4C's which were used for photo reconaissance. Many G models were upgraded in the late 80's and equipped with AGM-88 HARM missiles, which gave them an important role in the gulf war of assisting F-16's and A-6E's with the daunting task of destroying iraq's French designed Air Defense and Ground Controlled Intercept system. By 1993 i think just about all the phantoms were retired.

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07-15-2003, 02:22 AM
My first year in the Marine Corps(1988) was the last year the F-4's flew. I worked on a ground crew for an F-4 squadron in 29 Palms, CA for one year. Then the F-18 Hornet's took over.

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07-15-2003, 05:16 AM
usa320 wrote:
- we are talking about real airplanes, past and
- present, not space crafts from movies.


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07-15-2003, 05:22 AM
"My first year in the Marine Corps(1988) was the last year the F-4's flew. I worked on a ground crew for an F-4 squadron in 29 Palms, CA for one year. Then the F-18 Hornet's took over."

There are many a Tomcat and Intruder crew who are saying the same thing, and in due time im sure the S-3 will be replaced by hornets as well...they are already flying most the S-3's tanker missions, and i know they are developing an EF-18 to replace the EA-6B.


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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 01:23 PM
What about this "little" baby? (AN-225)



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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 05:59 PM
Its just a C-5 with two more engines...

*cough*rip off*cough*russia copies everything*cough*

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07-15-2003, 06:02 PM
my "skinny" baby

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 06:04 PM
My fugly baby...fugly, but deadly.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 06:15 PM
the stealth plans like the B-52 bombers are cool!

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07-15-2003, 08:26 PM
The B-52 isnt a stealth, i think you mean the B-2.

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07-15-2003, 08:32 PM
I like choppers. Does that count on this thread??

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07-15-2003, 09:35 PM
i'm diggin' this baby:

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F-22 RAPTOR

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 09:45 PM
freakishly wrote:
- I like choppers. Does that count on this thread??

Do you ever watch "American Chopper" on Discovery Channel? They did a Comanche theme bike based on the Comanche helicopter - sweet! (Couldn't find a pic of it sorry!)

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07-15-2003, 10:34 PM
Yeah, I've seen that. I didn't watch it for long, there was something I wanted to see on another channel.

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07-16-2003, 12:27 AM
Ah, here's my beauty:

http://www.xsi.co.za/A4B4/tankers_kc135_0012-01.jpghttp://www.xsi.co.za/A4B4/KC-135.jpg

The KC-135 Q model (left) and a KC-135 refueling a fellow KC-135 (right).

The KC-135Q is used to refuel SR-71s specifically. The KC-135 is a lightweight (when its not fully loaded with 30,000 gallons of fuel), fast refueler used to refuel all sorts of other aircraft, from fighters, to bombers (excluding helicopters, which use a KC-130). The KC-135 can outspeed a B-52, and can refuel the fast little jets, yet the KC-135Q is the fastest model of the KC-135s and goes slower than the SR-71s slowest speed. To refuel, therefore, the SR-71 approaches the back (the SR-71 is going as slow as it can, the KC-135Q is going as fast as it can), then, after they connect, the KC-135Q (with the SR-71 attached) has to nose down so that it can go fast enough to refuel the SR-71.

Sadly enough, though, it is slowly being replaced by the KC-10 in the Air Force (although there are still many KC-135s in service), due to old age, though the Army has been taking the ones in good condition.

http://www.xsi.co.za/A4B4/70acft3.jpghttp://www.xsi.co.za/A4B4/image5E8.jpg

A KC-135 refueling a B-52 (left) and the KC-135 used by NASA as the "Vomit Comet" (right) wherein astronaut trainees are sent up, and the plane does really steep nose dives and recoveries to give the feeling of weighlessness 30 secs at a time.

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 12:36 AM
Cool. I didn't expect anyone to say a refueling plane, but that's cool. I didn't know that it had to do that to keep up, do you have the exact top speed and lowest speed of the two? (SR-71 and KC-135Q)

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07-16-2003, 12:53 AM
NightCrawler, an interesting report on Aerial Refueling can be found here: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-to-air_refueling

The KC-135 can take off with up to 322,500 pounds (. The speed is 530 miles per hour at 30,000 feet . This information can be found either through the page listed above, or by visiting http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/KC-135_Stratotanker which has some good information about it. I just know this because my dad was a Crew Chief for a KC-135 in the Air Force Reserves. He knows a lot about the Stratotankers, and has several books (and I'm talking big books) on specific KC-135s.

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 04:00 AM
I was nearly enlisted in training to be a KC-135 engine mechanic for the air national guard, but because of my knees i couldnt pass the physical...That was after i stopped taking flying lessons and i still wanted to be around planes.

Anywho, A4B4 said the air force is replacing KC-135's with KC-10's. Thats incorrect. Most KC-135 models are now retired, the only models in use now are the KC-135E, R and Q. They all have had their older turbojets replaced with more efficient and faster Turbofans, and they have had their fuel capacity increarsed. Most R models and some E have also been updated with the PACERCRAG cockpit system, which replaces many old analog gauges with new digital LCD screens, and replaces old Inertial Navigation systems with new GPS systems. The KC-10's were brought into service in the mid-80's to supplement the air tanker fleet, and i reckon they are better for overseas operations because they have longer range.

There is yet to be a replacement for the KC-135, but the airforce is pretty dead set on leasing 767-300's from boeing for a test, and if that works then the KC-135's, which are based on the 1950's 707 will replaced with KC-767's.



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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 05:32 AM
I apologize, I was mistaken. While the KC-10 does outperform the KC-135, (only slightly in speed), and several KC-135s were put out of commission due to old age, the KC-10 was not meant, nor is it replacing the KC-135. I apologize for that, thanks USA for correcting me on it. It sounds like you know quite a bit about aircraft.

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 05:37 AM
Indeed, im an aviation buff...i nearly became both pilot and mechanics, but i couldnt become a pilot because i ran out of money just 3 lessons away from my exam, and i couldnt be a mechanic because i couldnt pass the air force's medical exam.

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07-16-2003, 09:36 AM
usa320 wrote:
- Its just a C-5 with two more engines...
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- *cough*rip off*cough*russia copies everything*cough*
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Yeah - it sure looks a lot like the C-5, but it still is the largest aircraft in the world (although it is not in service)

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 05:25 PM
The AN-225 Cossack is 28 feet longer than the C-5 Galaxy, with a 68 foot wider wingspan, and can take off with 1,322,750 pounds, 482,750 pounds more than the C-5's max takeoff weight of 840,000 pounds. I'd say the AN-225 is definitely bigger (and more powerful) than the C-5. The AN-225, they say, may be put into regular service soon, and will possibly be used "in the Russian space program, as a flying first stage of the proposed MAKS Space Plane, which could fly as early as 2006." (http://popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/2003/1/antonov/)

The proposed Airbus A380 will be near the size of the AN-225, just slightly smaller, I believe.

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 05:30 PM
Ooohhh, I like planes. Specifically fighter planes. There was a time when I was younger, I could run off almost all of the stats for every well known plane out there. *sigh* oh well.

Still some of my favourites. (I have many. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif )

Lockheed SR 71 (blackbird)
U2
F14,15,16,18,22
Harrier
Mig 29.


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07-16-2003, 05:32 PM
is the Harrier still in service?

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07-16-2003, 05:34 PM
yes indeedy. Both in the US and the UK. There are various MK versions of it though.

Blackbird is no longer in service.

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07-16-2003, 05:37 PM
SKULLS_Hawk wrote:
- Ooohhh, I like planes. Specifically fighter planes.
- There was a time when I was younger, I could run
- off almost all of the stats for every well known
- plane out there. *sigh* oh well.
Still some of my favourites. (I have many.)
- Lockheed SR 71 (blackbird)
- U2
- F14,15,16,18,22
- Harrier
- Mig 29.
SKULLS -
Any favorite classics (i.e. Spitfire, Hurricane, Mosquito)?
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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 06:16 PM
Good for you i like the f22

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 06:39 PM
Some stuff on harriers:

The US MArines Fly the harrier II AV-8B+.

THe UK uses F/A-2, GR.7 and GR.5 models.

Spain and Italy both use the AV-8B

India uses a model of the F/A-2 designated the FRS.51

As for the blackbird, it was retired in the late 80's, but was brought back into service in 1990 just in time for the gulf war. After that it was put back into mothballs, however i have reason to believe it has since been brought back into service, IMHO flying reconaissance over North Korea.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 10:12 PM
woodyjohnson425 wrote:
-- SKULLS -
- Any favorite classics (i.e. Spitfire, Hurricane,
- Mosquito)?
-

Indeed, I like the spitfire, me109, and a few others.


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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 11:05 PM
Ah yes, the Supermarine Spitfire, one of my favorite classics too. My favorite classic, though, is still the P-38.

Also, is it true that Harriers flew more missions than any other attack plane in Desert Storm? I heard that once somewhere, and it did surprise me, so I was wondering if that was true or not.

And does anyone know the story behind the Avro CF-105? I've heard people mention it, and I heard something like it wasn't allowed to be released due to political cirucmstances, but I'd like to know more.

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07-17-2003, 01:10 AM
here are more of mine:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/yf23roll.jpg


http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/sr-71-ec91-0365-7.jpg


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07-17-2003, 01:13 AM
You got good taste AJ.

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 02:42 AM
THere all great, besides TACTIC BLUE i think it is fugly, and it looks horribly slow.

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 02:44 AM
I like the f22

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XyZspineZyX
07-17-2003, 02:46 AM
My favorite classic is the P-51.

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 06:39 PM
Regarding the Harrier:

I once was to an airshow, where a Harrier was performing, and I must say, that it is amazing to see this relatively large airplane stand still in mid-air, fly backwards, and "bow" to the audience.

And the noise they make - haven't heard anything alike before!!

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 07:19 PM
Yeah, harriers are noisy, but very capable airplanes. Unfortunately they take a crapload of skill and training to fly, and as of now they are the most dangerous airplane in US Military service, with 45 deaths from accidents in the 32 years they have been in service, with most of those deaths in training.

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 07:20 PM
A funny pic, on the topic of airplanes:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/skylarkeaw/C17Landing.jpg

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Message Edited on 07/18/0302:21PM by usa320

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 07:32 PM
OMG that's hilarious....

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