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mattski_
03-06-2004, 01:42 PM
It's been a while since I've posted on here, due to work and Lock On, but I feel I must post now.

Ubisoft alienated a lot of people when they did a staggered release of Lock On - the community were not happy.

So, what do they go any do with the exansion pack - the same again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Are they going to release 'Battle of BRITAIN' in the US first?

not happy at all. I must say, Forgotten Battles is looking absolutely fantastic with the addon, I am just sad that it's not available for everyone at the same time. We are, afterall, a global community - why not treat us equally?

Matt

mattski_
03-06-2004, 01:42 PM
It's been a while since I've posted on here, due to work and Lock On, but I feel I must post now.

Ubisoft alienated a lot of people when they did a staggered release of Lock On - the community were not happy.

So, what do they go any do with the exansion pack - the same again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Are they going to release 'Battle of BRITAIN' in the US first?

not happy at all. I must say, Forgotten Battles is looking absolutely fantastic with the addon, I am just sad that it's not available for everyone at the same time. We are, afterall, a global community - why not treat us equally?

Matt

SeaFireLIV
03-06-2004, 02:01 PM
Isn`t it interesting that UBI have given NO answer to this at all? Nothing?

I think you need to be in the money-markets and have an understanding of all that business malarky that goes on. Big fat cats who aren`t even the remotest interested in IL2/FB (probably not even heard of them) line their pockets over and over and over again with the proceeds of our cash! They invest it, do all sorts of other stuff, I know not the details. There`s also probably secret handshakes going on and some political secretive financial agreements that means that no matter what WE say, they won`t listen or even acknowledge our existence - They just take the money.
The only way we`d have any effect would be to somehow get in that club and change it from within....

This I believe is the truth and they aren`t about to explain it in detail... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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Fennec_P
03-06-2004, 02:07 PM
It is not by choice that they release sooner in the US.

They release it as quickly as possible in each area. I've heard that, for whatever reasons, games can be manufacured and on the shelves faster in N America than in Europe.

The only way to make the game come out at the same time everywhere, would be to deliberately delay the release in the areas that get copies first. What would be the point of that?

Slammin_
03-06-2004, 02:07 PM
You could always move to the USA http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Really, I don't think there is any conspiracy going on, but rather they want the fastest return on their investment at the cheapest distribution cost. I think it's all logistics.

I do know how you feel though. I had to order my Cougar from Europe because I couldn't wait for them to get released to the USA.

Lixma
03-06-2004, 02:19 PM
Had to bump this.

I'm sitting here watching as the numbers in Hyperlobby swell to over 800 all apparentley having a great time with AEP.

Oh joy.....

SeaFireLIV
03-06-2004, 02:20 PM
I see some people are aware of the many exotic ways of torture...

SithSpeeder
03-06-2004, 02:42 PM
Basically, what Fennec_P said. Why should UBI say anthing?

On the bottom of my copy, it says "Made in the USA". Just speculating here, but if they make it and distribute it faster in one place than another, would you seriously hold off on the release just so everyone would get it at the same time? This isn't a movie release where they are trying to get the most sales in opening weekend, this is a game where the rabid masses who play it would simply kill to get it as fast as possible. That's not to say I wouldn't be happy about not getting it first when living outside the US, but griping about it does nothing...move on, friend.

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GR142_Astro
03-06-2004, 02:45 PM
Like the other chap said, it's simply logistics and finances guys. They are not going to sit on hundreds of thousands of copies waiting to be sold in the US for fear that a few 100 of us might get a bit miffed about it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Hang in there guys, it will come and you will have forgotten this a month from now.

And Lixma, if you decide to take up the '42 Spitfire, lookout citizens of hyperlobby!

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Sultan_of_Swing
03-06-2004, 02:49 PM
I "per-orderd the AEP on Jan 30, and I won't get it till March 8th. I live in, yup, the USA. Go figure.

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VW-IceFire
03-06-2004, 02:53 PM
Actually...2 weeks is about as close to a world wide release as you can get. I've seen a couple that were tighter than that but only a few. A non-worldwide release is when it takes upwards to two months to get the software to Europe and elsewhere. Two months is certainly unacceptable...two weeks is doable.

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JG27_Arklight
03-06-2004, 02:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Isn`t it interesting that UBI have given NO answer to this at all? Nothing?

I think you need to be in the money-markets and have an understanding of all that business malarky that goes on. Big fat cats who aren`t even the remotest interested in IL2/FB (probably not even heard of them) line their pockets over and over and over again with the proceeds of our cash! They invest it, do all sorts of other stuff, I know not the details. There`s also probably secret handshakes going on and some political secretive financial agreements that means that no matter what WE say, they won`t listen or even acknowledge our existence - They just take the money.
The only way we`d have any effect would be to somehow get in that club and change it from within....

This I believe is the truth and they aren`t about to explain it in detail... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

SeaFireLIV...

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Interesting? No.

Why should they answer?

They don't have to explain anything to you or anybody else here. Everybody wishes they (UBI) would go into finite detail about every little business decision they make and they flat out don't have too.

Simple as that.


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mattski_
03-06-2004, 03:07 PM
thanks for the replies guys. I think that the distribution argument doesn't cut it to be honest, if they wanted a simultaneous release, they could.

Also, do you think the US is the only place with CD mastering plants? I don't thinks so, it is 2004, not 1984.

/m

JG27_Arklight
03-06-2004, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mattski_:
thanks for the replies guys. I think that the distribution argument doesn't cut it to be honest, if they wanted a simultaneous release, they could.

Also, do you think the US is the only place with CD mastering plants? I don't thinks so, it is 2004, not 1984.

/m<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The idea is to get it out as soon as possible (barring any serious issues).

They can't just sell it everywhere ASAP when it is finished because Europe wants it right now too.

Made in America.

If it said Made in the U.K. I'm sure that it would be distributed there first.

Selling it where it was created first creates revenue the fastest. Also, if there is some major mistake they missed then there is a smaller group of people to cater to until it is fixed rather then having to deal with the entire world over a bug.

I'm sorry but if the "distribution argument doesn't cut it" does the "we should have it at the same time as the other people do" cut it?

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Taylortony
03-06-2004, 03:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slammin_:
You could always move to the USA http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Will consider it but its my fourth choice after Bagdad...Kabul.....Lebanon.

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mattski_
03-06-2004, 03:46 PM
the distribution thing doesn't cut it. It appears to be Ubisoft policy (maybe Americans get upset if they're not first?).

Look at wine distribution for an example of simulataneous 'release', they manage to do it and it's a damsite more complex than shipping boxes of CD's.

Matt.

Platypus_1.JaVA
03-06-2004, 04:13 PM
I think that diffrent release dates for diffrent parts of the world will dramatically increase piracy and selling illegal copies.

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p1ngu666
03-06-2004, 06:19 PM
they will be made in europe, why ship a bunch of cds across the atlantic
i can understand german,french etc being later cos of translation, but british?
doubt it will increase piracy, infact movies do simultanious realses now
why? piracy..

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Slammin_
03-06-2004, 07:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Taylortony:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slammin_:
You could always move to the USA http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Will consider it but its my fourth choice after Bagdad...Kabul.....Lebanon.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jerk! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


You almost made me spit out good beer on my monitor with that one!

Huxley_S
03-06-2004, 07:21 PM
Alternatively... there should be no reason why what is essentially a software update could not be distributed online as a paid for download.

Valve will be (eventually) releasing HalfLife 2 as a file download via their Steam system prior to it hitting the shops. You can already use Steam to get the latest verions of Counter Strike etc

It's the future.

Perhaps Oleg will let us download AEP from the 1C site as long as we promise to buy it when it finally makes it into the shops.... pleeeeeze!

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Mispunt
03-06-2004, 08:39 PM
Like said before, they COULD delay a US release but remember that you are also dealing with localisation for Europe.
It would be NICE of them to wait for us poor Europeans, but in the end it's just bussiness, and we will buy it regardless. Doesn't bother me tbh.
They obviously feel they win more than they lose this way.

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Tully__
03-06-2004, 10:02 PM
When FB was released, Ubi explained. Master copies are shipped to European and US production facilities simultaneously, but it takes longer (for a combination of production and shipping reasons) to get copies on shelves in Europe than in north America. The only way to get simutaneous release using the manufacturers currently used by Ubi would be to delay US production or shipping.

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Slammin_
03-06-2004, 10:16 PM
You can say that 20 times Tully. Won't matter.

Rough crowd here.

pourshot
03-06-2004, 10:34 PM
I'am sure your correct Tully but it does increase piracy be sure of that infact i may download it for free right now.

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Tully__
03-07-2004, 09:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slammin_:
You can say that 20 times Tully. Won't matter.

Rough crowd here.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Teufel_Eldritch
03-07-2004, 10:16 AM
I'll prolly get beat over the head by other Americans for saying this but.... the US release should have been delayed to coincide w/the European release. If Oleg would have kept quiet regarding the separate release dates & the reasons for them no one in the States would have been the wiser. We would have been sitting here waiting for the exp pack just like everyone else, not knowing ours was done. I say this knowing full well that I too would not have the expansion yet as well.

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MB_Lerxster
03-07-2004, 10:33 AM
Operation Flashpoint is one of the few games that was released to Europe first. Published by a British company.....go figure.

BaldieJr
03-07-2004, 10:46 AM
If you're ticked-off because the US got AEP first, go order BoE. That should settle the score.

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Aaron_GT
03-07-2004, 11:39 AM
"Like said before, they COULD delay a US release but remember that you are also dealing with localisation for Europe. "

So it needs to be translated from English
into English for the UK market? Given that
UBI is a French company, and IL2 is a product
from a Russian design house, the localisation
argument's a bit thin.

Aaron_GT
03-07-2004, 11:43 AM
"When FB was released, Ubi explained. Master copies are shipped to European and US production facilities simultaneously, but it takes longer (for a combination of production and shipping reasons) to get copies on shelves in Europe than in north America."

I don't see that there should be a production
problem. Translations can be done in parallel
and Europe has a lot of CD pressing plants -
about a third of the music CDs I own seem
to have been pressed in Germany. In the case
of UK copies, there is no translation required.

Tully__
03-07-2004, 01:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
"When FB was released, Ubi explained. Master copies are shipped to European and US production facilities simultaneously, but it takes longer (for a combination of production and shipping reasons) to get copies on shelves in Europe than in north America."

I don't see that there should be a production
problem. Translations can be done in parallel
and Europe has a lot of CD pressing plants -
about a third of the music CDs I own seem
to have been pressed in Germany. In the case
of UK copies, there is no translation required.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't believe translation was cited as one of the reasons. IIRC it was more to do with ramp up times and shipping.

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Fox_4
03-07-2004, 03:02 PM
Later releases in the UK, for example, can hurt UK retailers if a lot of people import the game from America (as happened with Deus Ex: Invisible War). But with only a two week release date difference I suppose it's not much of a factor.

RobertNighthawk
03-07-2004, 03:25 PM
They do not ship finished CD's from US to overseas because of the taxes, tariffs and shipping.

I think they are missing out on all the EXTRA cheese they could be making on pre-orders from their store. They eliminate the retailer and keep his slice of cheese too.

If you owned the store and controlled the release, wouldn't you arrange to sell from your store first, a few days before the other retailers received it?

Likewise, being able to pay for a download from Ubi would eliminate all the consumers' problems as well as shipping, pressing costs et cetera. That said, if I were Oleg, I don't know if I would trust them to "keep count". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif