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JG27_Dacripler
03-17-2004, 09:38 AM
The New Addition is nice, however, I notice these things that may be addressed in the future.(This is not a "whine list") Rather, my observation of the AEP to mention issues which I have noticed.

The Bad

1) Exploding diving Ponys and Jugs.

2) Flat spins seem to be, "too common".

3) Stall issues. 109 series are producing low speed "wash-out" effects in looping and turn fighting.

4) Game play.. nasty .5 to 1.75 second pauses which happpen- in many servers.

5) Ammunition issues- muzzle flashing way too bright and tracer fire as well.. 30 mm's in the KI, BF-110, 109Z are so intense, and create noticeable game play issues.
.303 Brownings are still questionable.

6) Reflective lighting and glare.. Aircraft have little if any reflective qualities.

7) Offline Campagns are still te be desired.

The Good

1) Creating a community from newer players

2) Graphics which are still the cutting edge of technology

3) Unbelievable attention to detail, look at the Gladiator and the P-38 amongst others

4) "What ifs" were incorporated into the sim.. Fantasy airplanes.

5) Excitement and anticipation of AEP has been aticipated and for the most part has fulfilled expectations. Whereas the same level was given by CFS3 years ago BUT.. failed misurable.

6) Community once again has risen over the top and exceeds UBI in any endevior from help to specific needs in adressing issues.


Curiosity has the better of me:

Why did AEP produce the 109Z, P-38, P-80, Me, 162, KI , and GO-229, as I do not recall any of these fighters participating in the the Eastern front?

Why did AEP not take on the Sukhoi, Mikoyan-Gurevich Russan fighters for this being an Eastern front game?

Obviously, this thread may be subject to much controversy, although I mention these lines for the authentic feel of the game in which I know Maddox Games is giving preparation for newer things to come. (BOB, and a Pacific Campaign)
I would enjoy your thoughts of which you have seen which could improve your experience online and at home
I Emphesise this thread to be positive in nature and CONSTRUCTIVE! If you choose to respond, please do such in a respecting manner.

JG27_Dacripler
03-17-2004, 09:38 AM
The New Addition is nice, however, I notice these things that may be addressed in the future.(This is not a "whine list") Rather, my observation of the AEP to mention issues which I have noticed.

The Bad

1) Exploding diving Ponys and Jugs.

2) Flat spins seem to be, "too common".

3) Stall issues. 109 series are producing low speed "wash-out" effects in looping and turn fighting.

4) Game play.. nasty .5 to 1.75 second pauses which happpen- in many servers.

5) Ammunition issues- muzzle flashing way too bright and tracer fire as well.. 30 mm's in the KI, BF-110, 109Z are so intense, and create noticeable game play issues.
.303 Brownings are still questionable.

6) Reflective lighting and glare.. Aircraft have little if any reflective qualities.

7) Offline Campagns are still te be desired.

The Good

1) Creating a community from newer players

2) Graphics which are still the cutting edge of technology

3) Unbelievable attention to detail, look at the Gladiator and the P-38 amongst others

4) "What ifs" were incorporated into the sim.. Fantasy airplanes.

5) Excitement and anticipation of AEP has been aticipated and for the most part has fulfilled expectations. Whereas the same level was given by CFS3 years ago BUT.. failed misurable.

6) Community once again has risen over the top and exceeds UBI in any endevior from help to specific needs in adressing issues.


Curiosity has the better of me:

Why did AEP produce the 109Z, P-38, P-80, Me, 162, KI , and GO-229, as I do not recall any of these fighters participating in the the Eastern front?

Why did AEP not take on the Sukhoi, Mikoyan-Gurevich Russan fighters for this being an Eastern front game?

Obviously, this thread may be subject to much controversy, although I mention these lines for the authentic feel of the game in which I know Maddox Games is giving preparation for newer things to come. (BOB, and a Pacific Campaign)
I would enjoy your thoughts of which you have seen which could improve your experience online and at home
I Emphesise this thread to be positive in nature and CONSTRUCTIVE! If you choose to respond, please do such in a respecting manner.

michapma
03-17-2004, 09:44 AM
In some respects, AEP might be viewed as a move to westernize the planeset. One answer is that the planes that were ready and in some cases done by 3rd party modelers are the ones that got included. The planeset in many senses is odd for an eastern front sim. What flyable Russian bombers do we have? The IL-2 and TB-3. In some cases the choice of planes is restricted by data available to make the planes flyable to Oleg's taste, otherwise we'd surely have at least a Pe-2...

But I welcome the planes and plan to buy AEP! Glad to pay for it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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TooCooL34
03-17-2004, 09:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by michapma:
In some respects, AEP might be viewed as a move to westernize the planeset. One answer is that the planes that were ready and in some cases done by 3rd party modelers are the ones that got included. The planeset in many senses is odd for an eastern front sim. What flyable Russian bombers do we have? The IL-2 and TB-3. In some cases the choice of planes is restricted by data available to make the planes flyable to Oleg's taste, otherwise we'd surely have at least a Pe-2...

But I welcome the planes and plan to buy AEP! Glad to pay for it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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Agreed.
No medium bomber for Red side makes mission objectives so stricted. (thou I know Oleg said making a bomber is ten times harder than fighter.)
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GvSAP_Dart
03-17-2004, 10:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What flyable Russian bombers do we have? The IL-2 and TB-3. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Er, um, the, ah, whole sim was originally designed around the, um, IL-2.

The tail's wagging the dog, considering that oringinally only the IL-2 was to by flyable!

The planeset expanded for a couple different reasons, one of them being that 1C:Maddox accepted user made 3D models (through an approval system) for inclusion. Hence the Soviet rocket plane and the German bat wing.

Some of it was commercial. 1C:Maddox did the Mustang entirely, for example. Why? Well, why not? It's adding to the sim, not taking away from it (though high altitude wasn't modeled originally and had to be tweaked, even if imperfectly).

At it's heart IL-2 is a tactical ground attack simulation, and it shows now and then.

Some of the other stuff is sorta personal preference. While I fly mainly online, I'm also flying a campaign offline - a pilot career fighting the Finns in my I-16 (there's rumors we'll get the American's P-40's!).

The missions are unique - something new every time, the briefings are varied, and the squadron is doing well - while we're not completely sweeping the skies, our losses have been low and we're accomplishing our primary missions. It's great, IMHO.

Some of the other stuff, glinting reflective surfaces, too bright tracers, for example, have been long addressed.

The spins and stalls could be a function of your stick settings - there's lots that can help you get the right feel for the planes based on what stick you use.

As for freezes online, without system specs and other answers, it's hard to say.

I know you're not ****ging the sim, btw, just pointing out some things that could be better.

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DONB3397
03-17-2004, 10:44 AM
Strange. Haven't noticed any of the "bads" listed in the original posts except the delay.

With regards to the move West, the practical reasons have been listed. There are a couple of additional points. The Ardennes and Normandy maps, I believe, were created by Luthier in preparation of a planned Western Front campaign at Maddox encouragement. Luthier, of course, has worked with Oleg for several years, and now is a principal in Russian Rocket which released Battle Over Europe. The maps and the planned campaigns and skins and new western a/c all work together and started hitting the sim with 1.21 and 1.22. BoE was created by RR using those planesets, maps, etc.

AEP continues that strategy, and RR says they will soon offer a patch with updated campaigns and missions featuring AEP planes.

Why did 1C move West? Ask yourself two questions: 1) Where's the high volume market? 2) What do buyers in this market want in a sim?

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Cossack_UA
03-17-2004, 11:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DONB3397:
Strange. Haven't noticed any of the "bads" listed in the original posts except the delay.

With regards to the move West, the practical reasons have been listed. There are a couple of additional points. The Ardennes and Normandy maps, I believe, were created by Luthier in preparation of a planned Western Front campaign at Maddox encouragement. Luthier, of course, has worked with Oleg for several years, and now is a principal in Russian Rocket which released Battle Over Europe. The maps and the planned campaigns and skins and new western a/c all work together and started hitting the sim with 1.21 and 1.22. BoE was created by RR using those planesets, maps, etc.

AEP continues that strategy, and RR says they will soon offer a patch with updated campaigns and missions featuring AEP planes.

Why did 1C move West? Ask yourself two questions: 1) Where's the high volume market? 2) What do buyers in this market want in a sim?

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Agree! Keep in mind that in Russia a licenced copy of FB or AEP costs $5 equvivalent vs. $30 in USA. Of course Madoxx doesn't get all $30 of each copy sold, but still they get alot more than $5.

El Turo
03-17-2004, 11:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>4) Game play.. nasty .5 to 1.75 second pauses which happpen- in many servers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


This has been especially noticable and frustrating.

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G4 ti-4200 128mb
1.5mbs cable service

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jung0l
03-17-2004, 11:23 AM
Yes, I've had diving Pony blow up on me for no reason at all. Reviewed the track, no enemy aircraft anywhere around me except for plane i was chasing 750 meters ahead, which didn't warp or fire at all. I'm glad somebody else noticed, and hopefully it'll be fixed.

Also agree about muzzle flashes and 30mm ground effects.....way to intense.

crazyivan1970
03-17-2004, 11:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H_Butcher:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>4) Game play.. nasty .5 to 1.75 second pauses which happpen- in many servers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


This has been especially noticable and frustrating.

My specs:

2.53ghz
512mb RD_RAM
G4 ti-4200 128mb
1.5mbs cable service

Callsign "Turo" in IL2:FB & WWIIOL
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In many situations it`s a servers fault, planes are not preloaded. Also keep in mind that dedicated server for AEP is not out yet and people are hosting the regular way which is totally different ball game. Needless to say that number of the players are still the same as they hosting dedicated http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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JG27_Dacripler
03-17-2004, 04:06 PM
Thanks guys.. Keep your input going as it is important for the community .. You fellas are great .. TY!!

Gibbage1
03-17-2004, 07:58 PM
Are you TRULY that dense? Is this a retorical question? God I hope so. Because WHY would you think that this still JUST an Eastern Front game? With these new aircraft, you can re-create ANY front you want!!! North Afrika, Pacific, MTO, BoB. But your still seriously hung up on the "eastern front only" BS? Please tell me your joking!!! If you not, you need a dose of REALITY!!! IL2 stopped being "eastern front only" when FB hit the shelfs with the P-51 and P-47. Then they even went further and added jap aircraft!

Also, the reason there is such a motly assortment of aircraft is because 90% of them were user-created. Us modelers model whatever we want. And you know the reasons for my choices. Well I hope you do, if your not too dense.

C ya online later Dacrappler.

Gib

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Dacripler:

Why did AEP produce the 109Z, P-38, P-80, Me, 162, KI , and GO-229, as I do not recall any of these fighters participating in the the Eastern front?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hunde_3.JG51
03-17-2004, 08:13 PM
Jg27_Dacripler, I definitely agree with the "spins induced too easily" comment. I fly the 190 all the time and to me it seems spins are now a bit overdone. I have gone into more spins since AEP release than in all my previuos IL & FB time combined. I am curious as to what plane you fly or what plane were you thinking of when you made that comment (if any at all). I don't fly the other planes too much and I was curious if they spin easily now as well.


There are a few bad points with AEP but there are ALOT of good ones too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. I'm really enjoying the P-38, Ta-152, and He-162. The P-63 is a damn nice plane also. Online campaign is cool and the added offline campaigns are nice.

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WUAF_Badsight
03-17-2004, 08:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Dacripler:
1) Exploding diving Ponys and Jugs.

2) Flat spins seem to be, "too common".

4) Game play.. nasty .5 to 1.75 second pauses which happpen- in many servers.

6) Reflective lighting and glare.. Aircraft have little if any reflective qualities. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the GO-229 & the P-80 can also "explode" in a move at high high speed

i see all planes are eaiser to get into a flatspin ..... some seriously so

as for pauses .... i see longer load times & more spawn pauses but apart from that the game appears SMOOTHER

this smoothness was Very apparent as soon as i took off for the very first time in v2.0

i also get from 1 to 6 fps average MORE in v2.0

as for reflective qualities ....... they dont seem less reflective to me

FB is not a game that has great 3D models at distances over 1.0km

add certian weather or Time-Of-Day & its really hard to spot dots



this is just a few of my observations

BTW Gibbage said what sometimes needs to be said about this being a ETO game only in his own freindly way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Gibbage1
03-17-2004, 10:39 PM
I can get away with it since he is in my squad http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I saw worse to him in comms. Lol.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
BTW Gibbage said what sometimes needs to be said about this being a ETO game only in his own freindly way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

JG27_Dacripler
03-17-2004, 11:41 PM
Gibbage Quotes:
posted 17-03-04 18:58
Are you TRULY that dense? Is this a retorical question? God I hope so. Because WHY would you think that this still JUST an Eastern Front game? With these new aircraft, you can re-create ANY front you want!!! North Afrika, Pacific, MTO, BoB. But your still seriously hung up on the "eastern front only" BS? Please tell me your joking!!! If you not, you need a dose of REALITY!!! IL2 stopped being "eastern front only" when FB hit the shelfs with the P-51 and P-47. Then they even went further and added jap aircraft!

Also, the reason there is such a motly assortment of aircraft is because 90% of them were user-created. Us modelers model whatever we want. And you know the reasons for my choices. Well I hope you do, if your not too dense.

C ya online later Dacrappler.

Gib

*** Forgotten Battles is the term for the Eastern Front. As for being "Dense" I hope you will understand why it it is confusing. As an average consumer to purchase AEP they would have the impression the game is stressed upon an Eastern Front prospective. "Il2" the Russan airplane . "Forgotten Battles" for Eastern front. "Ace Expansion Pack" as additional campaigns, aircraft to the IL2-FB game.
*** I support the 3rd Party modelers as you did fine work. However, nothing restricts the community to address issues for better enjoyment of the game.
Gibbage you obviously did not look at the positive aspects but hastly jumped to conclusions that I was "Dense" and "Needed a dose of reality". I was just giving constructive criticism of which I have encountered during game play. I take accountibiltily to which I write and I hope you do as well. Hey, I didn't want you to get that upset but thought you might want to see what is happening from my most humble abode.
Actually my name is JG27&gt;Dacripler not "Dacrappler" and you fall in my wing in the JG27 Squadron as you were assigned such via JG27*ARISTO.***
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Hunde_3.JG51
03-18-2004, 02:09 AM
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That's what I figured, thanks.

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michapma
03-18-2004, 02:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Because WHY would you think that this still JUST an Eastern Front game? With these new aircraft, you can re-create ANY front you want!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MAPS, my good man, MAPS! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

And complete plane sets... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



Looking forward to seeing your P-38. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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JG27_Dacripler
03-18-2004, 11:38 AM
Michapma quotes:
Looking forward to seeing your P-38.

The P-38 is just brilliant. The twin Allisons are so close, and the yoke movement is visual as you are in pit. It is one of the few aicraft that is flown that has the best active "feel" while flying. That ship (the J & L) along with the HE- 111 and BF-110 has the best (IMHO) feel while flying.
The arguably best cockpit has to go to the Gladiator which is simply phenominal.
I fly both in cockpit and out, however I will not switch off the pit to miss out the beauty of the design of these particular aircrafts.

Gibbage1
03-18-2004, 12:24 PM
Maps? We have Normandy and Pacific maps. Also many of the maps can double for channel maps, MTO maps or whatever.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by michapma:

MAPS, my good man, MAPS! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

And _complete_ plane sets... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



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El Turo
03-18-2004, 12:28 PM
JG27_Dacripler,

At your earliest convenience, could you please send me a private message through these boards?

I need to discuss something JG27 related with you.

Thanks in advance!

Best,

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michapma
03-18-2004, 12:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Maps? We have Normandy and Pacific maps. Also many of the maps can double for channel maps, MTO maps or whatever.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

!

Okay, if that's good enough for you. I guess I can live with it for a good while, but to know that FB will always be so limited in geography... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Air_Mail
03-18-2004, 01:25 PM
Dacrip you were right on with the first post. there are some good points added on to this thread also.

1.The Mk108s when they hit the ground explode like small bombs yet when you hit an aircraft with them (mainly KI-84 and LA) there is little or no damage at all. i was testing the new KI and a Fw-190A9 hit me with a full spread of wing cannons and i just kept flying like nothing happened. In fact i ended up outturning him and shot him down with a small burst. i know that if a plane got hit with a grenade its pretty much done.

2. I know that there are some people out there that love that new P-38 and it is one of my favorite planes in the world. Gibbage i know you spent a lot of time working on it and it looks beautiful but it is so undermodeled its sad. it looses energy like crazy and once a 109,KI,LA,yak,190,ect gets on your tail with more energy your toast in that thing. it also has a huge bug that i dont think many people have found yet. if you hit it with any 50cals it desrtoys the control cables EVERYTIME. i can take a P-47 or 51 and spray it with a few 50s from .7 out and they looses controls every time. i know the P-38 doesnt loose energy like that because i have been whaching one fly at the airport i fly out of for years. it can take off, stay in ground effect for a few seconds, and pull up to about 3000 feet and level off (not vertical).

3. They have to tone down the KI-84c. everyone is using it now and its not that its unbeatable at all. but in a DF server it is not a lot of fun to fly 47s, 51s, A5s, or early war planes when 13 out of 20 people are flying KIs. you can shoot those things with 1,000,000,000 rounds of 50cal and they keep flying. and dont let my post count fool you i have been flying IL2 since beta days.

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gates123
03-18-2004, 01:46 PM
Hey Air_Mail, I'll bump that.

gates123
03-18-2004, 01:49 PM
....Although I dont think the p-38 is undermodeled if your constantly working the prop pitch. Straighten her out and slowly drop it to 85-80 and she hauls a$$ although a TA can catch her on the deck.