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Daniel-the-Bard
05-28-2016, 04:11 AM
Why the heck are there missions where you help out Karl Marx, the literal author of the communist manifesto. Communism is obviously not a good thing (The Cold War was "fought" to try to stop the spread of it), but you are forced to help out the father of communism in this game. What the heck? The English aren't pro-communist, so why is this an aspect of this game? Are you just trying to piss off all your American (and all western, free-thinking) fans?

VestigialLlama4
05-28-2016, 05:08 AM
Why the heck are there missions where you help out Karl Marx, the literal author of the communist manifesto. Communism is obviously not a good thing (The Cold War was "fought" to try to stop the spread of it), but you are forced to help out the father of communism in this game. What the heck? The English aren't pro-communist, so why is this an aspect of this game? Are you just trying to piss off all your American (and all western, free-thinking) fans?

Did you miss the ending of the game where Queen Victoria knights everyone.

Please stop wasting people's time and actually play the game you want to complain about.

Shahkulu101
05-28-2016, 05:41 AM
Don't worry Assassin's Creed Syndicate doesn't make a serious statement about anything and the history is a pantomime caricature where Charles Darwin is a comic relief character. So this is not commie propaganda looking to brain-wash free, enlightened western minds. :)

dxsxhxcx
05-28-2016, 12:31 PM
http://modernorientalism.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/9/9/13997581/2646158_orig.jpg?641


emphasis on "work of fiction"

Sigma 1313
05-28-2016, 02:21 PM
You meet some old man yelling about liberation for the poor, a goal the main characters hold, then proceed to kill his political opponents. That's hardly a fantastic view of marx. The game never touches on his true ideology, the pros or the cons, and really paints him in a poor light. His arguments are so bad, that he needs to resort to asking his opponents to be killed. The same goes for ****ens and Darwin. In the end, the game really just forces the characters into the game for historical nostalgia and able to say "LOOK AT ALL THESE CHARACTERS!" If I were to change any of the famous characters to a non famous one, nothing would change, because, while fun, Syndicate is ultimately a very shallow experience.

crusader_prophet
05-28-2016, 06:52 PM
Why the heck are there missions where you help out Karl Marx, the literal author of the communist manifesto. Communism is obviously not a good thing (The Cold War was "fought" to try to stop the spread of it), but you are forced to help out the father of communism in this game. What the heck? The English aren't pro-communist, so why is this an aspect of this game? Are you just trying to piss off all your American (and all western, free-thinking) fans?

If you are free thinking, how does your previous post display your homophobic xenophobic racist "conservative" hypocrite agenda? Make up your mind - you are either free thinker or not? It seems you can't so just stop creating troll posts and get a life.

Shahkulu101
05-28-2016, 09:42 PM
You meet some old man yelling about liberation for the poor, a goal the main characters hold, then proceed to kill his political opponents. That's hardly a fantastic view of marx. The game never touches on his true ideology, the pros or the cons, and really paints him in a poor light. His arguments are so bad, that he needs to resort to asking his opponents to be killed. The same goes for ****ens and Darwin. In the end, the game really just forces the characters into the game for historical nostalgia and able to say "LOOK AT ALL THESE CHARACTERS!" If I were to change any of the famous characters to a non famous one, nothing would change, because, while fun, Syndicate is ultimately a very shallow experience.

Amen to this...

Sigma 1313
05-29-2016, 02:59 AM
Amen to this...

I also forgot to mention that:

The twins actions directly cause major problems in infrastructure, transportation, the economy, which leads into possible collapse which leads into riots. It was avoided, but barely. Not to mention massively increasing the crime rate, all to liberate the poor.

I'm going to be honest and say that I don't know if Marx was right about there being the bourgeoisie and proletariat in the late 1800s. However in the attempt to rescue the proletariat, the twins nearly destroyed what they were fighting for. If someone plays the game, I really don't think that they'll be converted to a communist.

Personally, I think that it really shows that Ubi is too scared to look at controversial subjects and grey areas. Very few games really take a look at the ideologies, or taboo subjects such as the vicious attacks by both muslims and christians during the crusades, slavery and the effects of it in the americas in AC3 and 4, communism, antisemitism, etc.

D.I.D.
05-29-2016, 03:22 AM
Why the heck are there missions where you help out Karl Marx, the literal author of the communist manifesto. Communism is obviously not a good thing (The Cold War was "fought" to try to stop the spread of it), but you are forced to help out the father of communism in this game. What the heck? The English aren't pro-communist

England is one of the places where communism captured the imaginations of lots of people, and remained a worry for the establishment for decades. While small, there's still a British Communist Party among other communist and communist-friendly groups. Marx left a strong impact on British politics in socialist thought, which is a much bigger deal. His influence is one of many that led to our NHS and other essential services of the state. Millions of us respect Marx even if we don't agree with his every idea.


... why is this an aspect of this game? Are you just trying to piss off all your American (and all western, free-thinking) fans?

lol

And given what's happened this year, nobody from the US needs to be offering lectures on political culture. I'd give it a couple of years at least.

Deezl-V
05-29-2016, 02:43 PM
Why the heck are there missions where you help out Karl Marx, the literal author of the communist manifesto. Communism is obviously not a good thing (The Cold War was "fought" to try to stop the spread of it), but you are forced to help out the father of communism in this game. What the heck? The English aren't pro-communist, so why is this an aspect of this game? Are you just trying to piss off all your American (and all western, free-thinking) fans?

There is nothing wrong with communism, it was the greedy farts that took advantage of and ruined its ideals.

Don't be another uneducated fool.

LoyalACFan
05-29-2016, 03:03 PM
*me before Syndicate*

"Free market is the only way! Ayn Rand forever!"

*me after Syndicate*

"Viva la revolucion, capitalist dogs"

Shahkulu101
05-29-2016, 10:37 PM
^ You sir, win. I don't know what but you win.

JamesFaith007
05-30-2016, 12:49 AM
^ You sir, win. I don't know what but you win.

I would suggest true socialistic kiss with chance of repeating.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5a/8c/88/5a8c88c6bc4cfeae3362cdcecc69b111.jpg

Daniel-the-Bard
06-10-2016, 04:48 AM
Yes, I finished the game. I've played through all of the Assassin's Creeds.
My rant stems from the surprise I felt when I started playing this game. In a way, Assassin's Creed turned on its own principles of freedom, and fell short of the expectations I have developed for the series over the past several years. Yes, communism is "utopia" in theory, but definitely not in action. The oppression experienced in every communist country should be testament to this, as well as the United States' efforts to stop the spread of communism during "The Red Scare."
The assassins portrayed in this series have always been against overbearing government control, not for it. I understand that this is a work of fiction, but it definitely pushes ideals that are offensive to some. Funny how the same people who preach "tolerance" are intolerant of those who disagree with them.
Thank you to those of you who gave constructive criticism on this subject. To the guy who called my post xenophobic, go fly a kite.

Bene Fortuna, Assassini.

Sigma 1313
06-10-2016, 06:27 AM
Yes, I finished the game. I've played through all of the Assassin's Creeds.
My rant stems from the surprise I felt when I started playing this game. In a way, Assassin's Creed turned on its own principles of freedom, and fell short of the expectations I have developed for the series over the past several years. Yes, communism is "utopia" in theory, but definitely not in action. The oppression experienced in every communist country should be testament to this, as well as the United States' efforts to stop the spread of communism during "The Red Scare."
The assassins portrayed in this series have always been against overbearing government control, not for it. I understand that this is a work of fiction, but it definitely pushes ideals that are offensive to some. Funny how the same people who preach "tolerance" are intolerant of those who disagree with them.
Thank you to those of you who gave constructive criticism on this subject. To the guy who called my post xenophobic, go fly a kite.

Bene Fortuna, Assassini.

You're not wrong. However pure Marxism would also say that no one person is above another. So no one person should hold power above another. Theoretically pure communism would be anarchy, and Assassins are at least semi-okay with anarchy, if they aren't all for it. Templars on the other hand want complete control. So with communism, Templars support its implementation, while Assassins support the idea.

LoyalACFan
06-10-2016, 04:31 PM
Funny how the same people who preach "tolerance" are intolerant of those who disagree with them.

Tolerance =/= agreeing with your opinion

Bastiaen
06-10-2016, 05:11 PM
I think that the key issue at the heart of this is a difference in opinion about what freedom means. This is actually quite deep seated in the differences between left-wing and right-wing politics.

Oft times in right-wing politics, freedom is seen as freedom from government oppression, which is a valid platform, as governments have a long history of oppressing peoples. The problem with this is that we tend to ignore individuals and non-government groups who oppress. We also end up with a government so small that it cannot do much to help those who truly need help.

On the other hand, in left-wing politics, freedom is often seen as a benevolent power protecting people from the oppression of other people, through the institution of government. The problem with this is that in empowering the government, we remove power from individuals, and we create a system which picks and chooses who to oppress through government institutions in the name of removing oppression from specific groups. We also end up with a government so large that it simply does too much.

Both systems are innately flawed, and each of us probably affiliates more with one group than the other. So do the writers of Assassin's Creed. That's why between the games, and even within individual games, the ideas of what freedom actually means are often contradictory.

Was there someone on ACS's writing team who wanted to shed a positive light on Communism? Probably, but that's not all bad, because neither is communism all bad.

Was there someone on ACU's writing team who wanted to discredit the French Revolution and extol the virtues of a monarchy? Possibly, but that's not all bad, because monarchies do have their virtues, especially if you have a just and fair monarch.

Have we become so polarized politically that it's honestly bled into whether or not we can enjoy a piece of entertainment?

I agree with LoyalACFan, that tolerance does not require one to agree with an opinion. I do however long for the days when this forum was a much more civil place, where people came to talk about something that they loved. All sense of community is long gone from this place, and I wish that we could have an intellectual conversation here without resorting to veiled insults and more open forms of contempt.

One thing that I love about AC is that so many of it's fans interpret it so very differently. I usually find the narratives compelling, and while I found Syndicate's story less than enthralling, I'm glad we could at least find some things to talk about in it.

TheHumanTowel
06-10-2016, 06:34 PM
AC has always gone out of it's way to never say anything at all about the political ideologies of the groups and historical figures it depicts so I'm always confused by threads like these that claim AC is biased to anarchism or whatever. The games are so designed for mass appeal you needn't worry about them taking a stance on anything, how wonderful.

SixKeys
06-11-2016, 11:53 PM
I agree with LoyalACFan, that tolerance does not require one to agree with an opinion. I do however long for the days when this forum was a much more civil place, where people came to talk about something that they loved. All sense of community is long gone from this place, and I wish that we could have an intellectual conversation here without resorting to veiled insults and more open forms of contempt.

I've actually felt the opposite. Around this time last year, most people had resigned to droning "the lore is dead, MD is dead, Unity f***ed it all up, there is no hope left for AC". There was a lot of toxicity on the forums. But in recent months it seems like having a year with no new game has reinvigorated the fandom, at least partly. It's almost like there's a shared hope that the downtime will result in all of us getting a better game in 2017, so there's more discussion about the lore and hopes for going forward.

rob1990312
06-22-2016, 03:53 AM
AC has always gone out of it's way to never say anything at all about the political ideologies of the groups and historical figures it depicts so I'm always confused by threads like these that claim AC is biased to anarchism or whatever. The games are so designed for mass appeal you needn't worry about them taking a stance on anything, how wonderful.
This sums it up perfectly tbh there is I nothing deep an meaningful about any of theses games

Mataresian
06-23-2016, 07:24 PM
I thought the assassins were pro-freedom. That's practically the opposite of communism.

cawatrooper9
06-23-2016, 10:45 PM
This sums it up perfectly tbh there is I nothing deep an meaningful about any of theses games

Sort of.

I'd agree that AC rarely if ever takes a hard stance on an issue, but that's kind of the point. Rather, it tries to get you to think for yourself a little bit, and sometimes that includes taking gamers out of their comfort zones.

Syndicate does this a little bit with Communism. ACIII did this with democracy. Ezio did this with, among other things, Christianity. It's not a condemnation or an exoneration of either of these things. It simply is a way to try to open up gamers' minds.

It's fine if one does not approve of communism, but hopefully we're not still stuck in such a McCarthy-era state of nonsense that people find the very idea of it being mentioned in a video game to be threatening.

Zocker13095
10-17-2018, 11:41 AM
I am conservative right wing but you can not put Karl Marx in the same category as Communist Dictators and Mass Murderers like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.
Karl Marx was an economist that criticized the bad working conditions in the 19th century in Europe (and he was right about that). He was wrong about capitalism and "planned economy" has failed in many countries. But in my opinion you can't blame Marx for the Crimes of Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot.

GameGuru2018
11-24-2018, 11:17 AM
http://www.quotemaster.org/images/f8/f829b586f870f954775cc63ac6fd71d8.png Nothern European countries are more and more socialists. Sooner or later they will be first communist countries. Naturally communist countries. Communism like evolution! Not revolution. Not forced, like it was in Russia, China...... Forced communism doesn't work. It is like forced childbirth. Birth have its own time, it should be natural. Communism - is the future of our mankind. Ancient dream, christian dream. When there are no poor and rich, when all people like brothers.

dodesskiy
02-13-2019, 05:11 PM
Look, I'm sorry, since 1950s the British were infected with socialism. Being that I'm from the USSR I know for sure it was done via real Russian collusion. Same as it was done in the U.S. There were spies who spoke perfect English, lived for a year in villages resembling the countries they were sent to. Right now, with their Jeremy Corbyn types, and Cortez-Warren types here, it feels like the Russian collusion totally succeeded. All that said, what can you do, the liberals are all over the media including video games. If you enjoy them, you might just try to ignore that bull. When I read the anarchist bull, that's even crazier. I'm from the Ukraine part of the USSR, there for 1 year Nestor Mahno the great anarchist "I bring death" did take power. Luckily for minorities like the Jews, only for 1 year... These western idiots taught by the students of Soviet spies do sicken me, but I can't blame them. I blame your FBI in the 60s. Too much subversive activities were allowed. Too much was ignored... Still the west is a lot better than any fully communist country, even so.

Bogdan75851
10-10-2019, 11:27 AM
I thought the assassins were pro-freedom. That's practically the opposite of communism.

What is freedom? Your boss telling you what to do or you negotiating with your fellow workers and together deciding what you will do next? Capitalism is freedom only for few, real worker's managed socialism and communism are freedom for all.


You're not wrong. However pure Marxism would also say that no one person is above another. So no one person should hold power above another. Theoretically pure communism would be anarchy, and Assassins are at least semi-okay with anarchy, if they aren't all for it. Templars on the other hand want complete control. So with communism, Templars support its implementation, while Assassins support the idea.

I agree.

cawatrooper9
10-10-2019, 09:11 PM
Closing, since this is an old thread.