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Hunde_3.JG51
03-03-2004, 12:27 PM
The P-51B was put in '42 planeset and is capable of 560km/h at sea level and 700+ at altitude. This can't be right (the year, not performance), I thought it would be a '43 plane maybe, but DEFINITELY not a '42 plane.


At least the Ta-152H-1 is a '44 plane :).

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Hunde_3.JG51
03-03-2004, 12:27 PM
The P-51B was put in '42 planeset and is capable of 560km/h at sea level and 700+ at altitude. This can't be right (the year, not performance), I thought it would be a '43 plane maybe, but DEFINITELY not a '42 plane.


At least the Ta-152H-1 is a '44 plane :).

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Korolov
03-03-2004, 12:34 PM
Error maybe?

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horseback
03-03-2004, 01:02 PM
Only thing I can think of is that first development Merlin models of the P-51 were built in '42/'43. Production didn't start until late spring early summer of '43, and I don't believe there were any serial numbers in the 42- range, so that excuse is out.

cheers

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tttiger
03-03-2004, 01:06 PM
The dates always have been screwed up on several planes.

For example, the P-39 Q-1 and Q-10 both were 1943 planes (the P-39 went out of production in May 1944). The Q-10 belongs in 1943 plane sets but St. Oleg has refused to change it.

For the record the 354th Fighter Group, Ninth Air Force, was the first unit anywhere in the USAAF to receive the P-51B and that was in November 1943. It barely qualifies as a 1943 plane.

This oughta spice up the 1942 arenas, huh? :)

ttt

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Zen--
03-03-2004, 01:08 PM
The TA152 is listed as a 44 plane as well rather than a 45.

-Zen-

lbhskier37
03-03-2004, 01:09 PM
Must be an attempt to get people to fly some 1942 maps instead of sitting in the late war ones all the time. Hmm I wonder what will be the first 1942 plane to get banned in most servers.

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Hunde_3.JG51
03-03-2004, 01:14 PM
Zen, I pointed that out in my original post about the Ta-152, the P-63C is also a '44 plane. Both wrong IMO. I'm not trying to be biased but we have a plane that operated less than a month in 1943 and which saw most of its action in '44 in the '42 plane-set. That seems wrong.

I still believe Yak-1B is a '43 plane as well.

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mortoma
03-03-2004, 01:16 PM
Heck I know what you mean, the LA-5FN really was more of a '44 plane that anything. But FB and even the old IL2 have it as a '43 plane.

Zen--
03-03-2004, 01:18 PM
Oops, didn't notice that in your original post Hunde, my bad. I don't know whether that will make a serious impact on 43 game play servers or not, but considering the emphasis on historical accuracy in FB, I'd say if the plane flew in 43 it ought to be in the 43 planeset.

-Zen-

tttiger
03-03-2004, 01:21 PM
Another good example Mortoma. The LA5FN should be listed as a 1944 plane IMHO. I've said so many times but no one listens.

ttt

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Maj_Death
03-03-2004, 01:24 PM
The P-39N1 is a 1943 plane, it is listed as 1942. The dates next to the planes name have always been buggy. They are accurate more often than not but some are wrong. So when making time restricted missions you should confirm the dates.

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Hunde_3.JG51
03-03-2004, 01:46 PM
P-51C with Malcolm hood is a '43 plane also. Malcolm hood was not used on P-51 untill '44. No big deal though.

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lrrp22
03-03-2004, 01:51 PM
Does the P-51C have the same performance spec's as the B? Apparently, the B-model has the V-1650-3 engine (560kph@SL).

Hunde_3.JG51
03-03-2004, 01:52 PM
Performance numbers for B and C are identical I believe.

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BuzzU
03-03-2004, 02:02 PM
I flew them all, and i still like my P-51 the best. The P-63 is nice. Very fast, but still don't like big cannons. The Spit is a sweetheart. It feels like a Yak. It will be good on early servers. I pretty much hate the P-38. It will be good for ground attacks, but feels to sluggish to DF, and you can't see a lot out of the cockpit. The Ta152 flys like a Russian plane, but I still don't like big guns. It makes a nice big target though, and I knocked it out with almost all the allied planes. It will be a noob plane. It's pretty easy to fly.

Time for lunch, and then go try and figure out the K-14 sight.

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lrrp22
03-03-2004, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
Performance numbers for B and C are identical I believe.

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Pretty much what I figured...

Have you flown it yet? How does it handle?

tttiger
03-03-2004, 02:13 PM
Again correct, Death. The pre-1943 P-39Ns were mostly P-39Ds, British Airacobra Is (and the Brits got rid of them as quickly as they could, crap planes, dumped em on the Russkies), and P-400s.

I don't care if they're wrong in Oleg's plane descriptions but they end up being wrong in DF servers, Coops, single missions, etc. because of it.

But I luv the Pony and if it's considered a 1942 plane (were they thinking of the Apache?), I'll be glad to fly it in 1942.

LOL,

ttt

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Hunde_3.JG51
03-03-2004, 02:15 PM
Man, falling asleep at keyboard, I'm exhausted.

But real quick, I flew the P-51B more than any other plane so far because the '42 thing annoyed me. It handles very well, like the P-51D but a little less "slick/greasy" meaning it doesn't seem to hold energy as well. It has a little less power and maybe that is why. Still, most planes seem to bleed a little more energy so it feels good, its just in the wrong place ;).

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lrrp22
03-03-2004, 02:28 PM
So it sounds like the in-game B doesn't offer any of the RL B's advantages but suffers all of the early B's disadvantages as well as some of the D's.

Oh well...


Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
Man, falling asleep at keyboard, I'm exhausted.

But real quick, I flew the P-51B more than any other plane so far because the '42 thing annoyed me. It handles very well, like the P-51D but a little less "slick/greasy" meaning it doesn't seem to hold energy as well. It has a little less power and maybe that is why. Still, most planes seem to bleed a little more energy so it feels good, its just in the wrong place ;).

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