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fw190a8
02-10-2004, 12:05 PM
Hi, I've been flying IL-2 and FB for over 6 months but my flying skills are NOT greatly improved. Do you have similar experience?

I started with IL-2 and flew maily the Bf109s and La5. I thought I did ok. Now, I'm in FB and my skills seem slipped back. I got "killed" on-line more often than I shoot down enemy planes. In one word, I'm lost! FYI, I never flew any single missions or compaign in IL-2 or FB. I flew some single missions in QMB though.

Since I really love this game, I decided to start again from "scratch". Would someone give me a detailed step-by-step instructions as to how to improve my flying skills? For example, should I start with practicing gunnery with "friendly bomber"? Then, move to friendly fighters - then enemy bomber. So on and so forth.

How about settings? With or without external views? Padlock view? Distance indicator? Stalls? Limited ammo?

BTW, any good on-line or off-line TRACKS on air combat skills in addition to the ones on FB CD-R?

Thanks for your help.

fw190a8
02-10-2004, 12:05 PM
Hi, I've been flying IL-2 and FB for over 6 months but my flying skills are NOT greatly improved. Do you have similar experience?

I started with IL-2 and flew maily the Bf109s and La5. I thought I did ok. Now, I'm in FB and my skills seem slipped back. I got "killed" on-line more often than I shoot down enemy planes. In one word, I'm lost! FYI, I never flew any single missions or compaign in IL-2 or FB. I flew some single missions in QMB though.

Since I really love this game, I decided to start again from "scratch". Would someone give me a detailed step-by-step instructions as to how to improve my flying skills? For example, should I start with practicing gunnery with "friendly bomber"? Then, move to friendly fighters - then enemy bomber. So on and so forth.

How about settings? With or without external views? Padlock view? Distance indicator? Stalls? Limited ammo?

BTW, any good on-line or off-line TRACKS on air combat skills in addition to the ones on FB CD-R?

Thanks for your help.

Zen--
02-10-2004, 01:32 PM
Some commentary on flying the 190 series which might be of use (judging by your name anyway http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=22810009

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=51110714


Other general tips and information applicable to most planes can be found there and in some of the links contained in the threads.


S!!


(And welcome to the forums!)

-Zen-
Formerly TX-Zen

zugfuhrer
02-10-2004, 01:42 PM
Join a squad and find a friend who is experienced dogfight him and evaluate the dogfights.
If u fly german planes b&z and return to 5000m before next attack.
U wont kill so much but more than they kill you. Fly russian planes because they are easier.

TooCooL34
02-10-2004, 01:48 PM
What you need is more online experience.

Gladly accept aces' bullets and never give up. If you find any ace in your server, follow him to the end. Learn from him the maneuver and tactics.

More experience. What more can I say?

JV44Rall
02-10-2004, 01:56 PM
That's a big request. The suggestions above are valid.

I'd also suggest flying on full real or almost full real dogfight servers. IMHO, you have a better chance of survival without PL, externals and WWV.

When you fly online, fly like your life depended on it.

Fly with your head - take few chances and attack only when you're certain you have a big advantage over your opponent (usually altitude or speed). If you see your advantage is slipping away, immediately disengage and withdraw to a safe position, regain the advantage (usually climb) and then look for your next target.

Don't get suckered into a fair fight, which at best produces satisfactory results 50% of the time. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

horseback
02-10-2004, 02:09 PM
First- leave your wife and kids and any pretense of a social life. Keep your job, you'll still need to eat and pay for a place to put your computer (besides, some judge will make you continue to support the old lady and the crumb-crunchers).

Second- leave the original Il-2 alone and concentrate on FB. The FMs are different, and you'll only confuse yourself at critical moments. There are a few posts here regarding CEM with links to good sites explaining the proper care and feeding of the CEM bug.

Third- Practice! If you're flying several different plane types, stop. Pick one or two of similar styles that you're comfortable with, and stay with it. Exchanging one of the UFOs for something that takes a little skill to fly effectively is strongly recommended. Master the trim settings; they're important, and necessary for wringing the most from your airplane.

Fourth- build your skills by progressively making it harder for yourself in QMBs. Friendly bombers, then friendly fighters, then 4 on 4, 2 on 4, 4 on 8 or 12, with higher competence levels for your AI opponents.

AI isn't that smart compared to RL opponents, but it knows where you are at all times, it gets progressively more aggressive and accurate, and it flies with an easier FM than the real live opponent does.

Fifth- if you don't have TrackIr2 or similar, dedicate a few buttons to extra desirable views not available to your POV hat. Look Up Forward (45 degrees above straight ahead), Look Back Up Left and Look Back Up Right mapped to your HOTAS or to single keys on your keyboard are a VERY good thing to have in a dogfight.

Sixth- start saving your pennies for rudder pedals and a button-rich HOTAS setup. Once you get that, you'll realize that all this time it was your video card or RAM that was holding you back, so start checking for prices and specifications on those, too.

Seventh- buy all the books you can find about WWII air combat & aircraft, with lots of charts and graphs. That way, you'll KNOW that your favorite bird is undermodelled, and you can spend lots of time on these boards imploring Oleg to unpork it, and making fun of those other whiners complaining because their ride isn't enough of a UFO already.

Eighth- if you haven't run for the hills by this point, you're already hooked. Welcome to the community.

Cheers

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

Zen--
02-10-2004, 02:19 PM
Excellent suggestions Horse.


For the look up function, I bound a key on my nostromo for just that...look up. I can pan with the hat switch and hit the nostromo key to achieve an all around look up capability. Invaluable to say the least.


Very good point indeed sir.

-Zen-
Formerly TX-Zen

antifreeze
02-10-2004, 02:25 PM
Maybe some more suggestions from someone who himself gets killed far too much too (my excuse is that I only find time to play a max of two hours per week):

-joystick is one of the most important things. If on the FB 'joystick input' screen, if the red box (showing the raw data from the joystick) jumps around, and you need to add filter and deadzone, I would consider getting another joystick. I instantly got 100% better just by spending $36 on a Saitek 3D Gold rather than carry on trying to use my Logitech Wingman2.

-framerate is important. You'll hit and evade much more easily if you can get FPS consistently above 25. Unfortunately you might have to spend alot.

-join a squad. If you are over 16 and you aren't a social idiot you can join ours. We only have three FB players at the moment, since lock-on came out. But you will have access to our teamspeak server and some members will find time to help you out. It doesn't cost anything, unless you want it to, and there is only minimum commitment to be made: www.9thawacs.com (http://www.9thawacs.com)

-do some structured training with team-mates. ie. 10 merges in a row with the same person at the same ingress. Or let your team-mate get on your six and then practise losing him (he doesn't fire, only follows). Using comms, he can give you a running comentary on what your mistakes are.

-special missions. Eg. We made a mission where two teams raced to find ground targets after being given general grid co-ordinates. We had to note down what each target was and the first to read their list correctly over the voice comm was the winner (obviously the map maker can't train). Also the 'tag-game' script provides some manic fighting and maneuvers practise.

-record games and training and review the tracks to find out why you got killed. Recording doesn't seem to impede game-play at all.
-sometimes whilst fighting during training I go to the outside view of the enemy chasing me; you get a wonderful view of your own evasive maneuvers, and can see what it looks like from your enemy's viewpoint.

-stick with one plane to learn it well, rather than jumping from model to model.

-play around with gun convergence settings to find out what you like best. Occasionally someone can go from hitting zero, to suddenly hitting amazing deflection shots just by finding what feels right ('use the force, Luke').

-Viewing set-up is important. In order of worst to best I would say:
basic joystick and mouse
joystick with hatswitch and mouse
NewView with two joysticks ------------>great cheap option!
joystick with TrackIR or similar

-if you intend to play with 'full difficulty' in the future, just jump in now; don't try to 'build up' to full difficulty. You will find it a nightmare for two weeks, and then everything will just click. Better to have a short, sharp shock than building reliance and habits based on other settings.

Nothing written 'in stone' here.
Just some suggestions of what I would do to improve if I had the time.
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Old_Canuck
02-10-2004, 02:49 PM
So much good advice here already, I can only endorse one that has made a big difference personally. You can practice, priactice, practice for months on your own but when you start getting online with friends you'll pick up ideas and be inspired to try new things you never would have thought of before.

Get on comms. with Teamspeak or another stable app. and watch your fun-needle swing off the dial.

OC

"You don't stop playing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop playing."

GT182
02-10-2004, 02:53 PM
Here's the best link for you and learning the "How to's" of FB ..... http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/

The above link was originally posted by: michapma

"GT182" / "vonSpinmeister"
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F19_Orheim
02-10-2004, 03:15 PM
Stay away from arcadish servers. Yes I find them fun too at times, but playing online on more realistic servers really pays off. Sure you will get shot down A LOT at first, but i assure you.. you will improve your skills rapidly.

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StellarRat
02-10-2004, 03:47 PM
Assuming you have reasonable control of your plane the most important individual skill is shooting accurately. If you're a good shot you will get kills because from time to time someone is bound to end up in your sights. After that I'd say work on your tactics.

Xnomad
02-10-2004, 04:15 PM
I find the arcade servers more difficult than FR ones http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif padlock, icons and cockpit off just get me killed as surprise attacks don't work, and someone will always get you while you are busy following your target.

Practice over and over in QMB this will hone your deflection shooting skills, I can't stop playing QMB once I start, I can go on for hours as I always want to complete the quick mission in a more perfect way each time.

However, you seem to learn things a lot faster online my skill really improved from learning from my mistakes online.

Prepare to spend a lot of money if you get hooked. I certainly have hmmmmm let's think
Track IR
MS FFB 2 Joystick
Top of the range 19" monitor
Rudder pedals
Throttle
....and hopefully that's me done for the time being. I don't think I'll upgrade PC hardware until BoB comes out but I might jump over to TrackIR 2.

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SeaFireLIV
02-10-2004, 04:19 PM
I would also advised staying with realistic servers, perhaps only with simple icons and map (so you don`t get frustrated at getting lost), after that remove `em. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And definitely play with complex engine management,it`s not as difficult as it sounds and is quite forgiving for new users- in most planes you can almost ignore it, unless you climb very high. Again, later, you will want to start learning it`s intricacies...

SeaFireLIV...

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Xnomad
02-10-2004, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Old_Canuck:
start getting online with friends you'll pick up ideas and be inspired to try new things you never would have thought of before.

Get on comms. with Teamspeak or another stable app. and watch your fun-needle swing off the dial.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I have absolutely no friends who play Flight simulation games, they only play FPS or RPGs and some don't play PC or consoles or anything. They all think I'm crazy for the amount of time & money I've spent on FB, and they don't like hearing me talk about it either, so I have to come to this forum.

The funny thing is my flatmate bought the original IL2 and didn't like it and I took it off him and now look at me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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p1ngu666
02-10-2004, 04:47 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
try explaining how u blew up a chasing 190 in your jug to a girl. (i did it with bombs btw http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)
&lt;her&gt;i dont understand...
&lt;me&gt; http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
id say go on arcade servers, ull get more action http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif if u see me on hl come pester me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
ive ignored most of these suggestions and look where its got me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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