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glottis77
03-25-2004, 02:16 AM
i never flew an aircraft myself, but from what i know i really like the flight-models in AEP, except for some late soviet aircraft which i consider to be too good, but this his been discussed since more than 2 years.
i just would like to ask how you fight the Yak-3 or the La-7 in a 1 on 1 situation if you're in a late 109 or late 190.
i generally prefer flying U.S. planes against german ones and vice versa, flying against late war soviet planes drives me insane.

glottis77
03-25-2004, 02:16 AM
i never flew an aircraft myself, but from what i know i really like the flight-models in AEP, except for some late soviet aircraft which i consider to be too good, but this his been discussed since more than 2 years.
i just would like to ask how you fight the Yak-3 or the La-7 in a 1 on 1 situation if you're in a late 109 or late 190.
i generally prefer flying U.S. planes against german ones and vice versa, flying against late war soviet planes drives me insane.

nixon-fiend.
03-25-2004, 02:26 AM
best idea is to start high.. get above your opponent and stay above. Before he can climb up to you, swoop down and conduct an attacking pass before zooming back up to your original position.

Lunix
03-25-2004, 02:32 AM
nixon had it right. As the K4 has better climb it is no contest.

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TacticalSkirmsh
03-25-2004, 06:42 AM
Trying to fight my fav Yak-3 mate? In my very biased opinion is to "throw" everthing into gaining maximum speed and heading home as fast as you can http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif.

BnZ is the only consistent tactic I believe you have available if the Yak pilot is good. The Yak-3 does, however, have a good climb rate in addition to being able to out turn the Germain planes that you mentioned.

As the other poster indicated, diving provides you with the E to extend away for multiple BnZ attacks. Online this may be difficult as teammates will hopefully be around.

Nothing new here, sorry if this info wasn't helpful.

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p1ngu666
03-25-2004, 07:00 AM
i belive the germans didnt attack yak3's if they could run away

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IAFS_Painter
03-25-2004, 07:04 AM
True p1ngu - they were ordered not to attack below a certain altitude (3000? or 5000 m?)

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BlitzPig_DDT
03-25-2004, 07:10 AM
Use a jet.

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Leech_
03-25-2004, 08:06 AM
Best tactic with those premises would be throwing some insults and leading the angry trailing enemy under your airbase flaks.

BnZ is ofcouse more honourable than InF. But theres no score for that.

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resev
03-25-2004, 11:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IAFS_Painter:
True p1ngu - they were ordered not to attack below a certain altitude (3000? or 5000 m?)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


They weren't ordered, they were advised for their own sake.
As for the height its 6000m.
Below that the Yak-3 type series had few or no worthy oponents.
Everything else was up to pilot proficiency, wich has to be considered that early Soviet pilot training was poor, but late war became excelent.

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Stalker58
03-25-2004, 11:49 AM
Yea, LW oredered not to engage Yak 3 under 5000m and because the YAKs were NEVER above 5000 m, the LW planes could do NOTHING about it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Too bad that if you need to tell Yak 1 (free to engage) from Yak 3 (big NO) you should be UNDER the YAK to see if there is taht damn oil rad under nose.Really hard time for LW boys http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

chris455
03-25-2004, 01:58 PM
I wish for purposes of historical interest someone would post a copy of the German "do not engage Yak3" order.

I am wondering if maybe it is urban legend.

In Europe, P-47 were mistaken for Fw's, Spits for 109's and get this- when US pilots in the Pacific first saw that Ki-61 they identified it as- you guessed it- a Me-109.

The point being, by the time a Luftwaffe pilot could, under most conditions, positively ID a Yak-3 series, it would almsot certainly be too late to safely disengage. Showing ones tail to speedy enemy at close quarters is imprudent. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif

I'd like to see that order.
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robban75
03-25-2004, 02:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stalker58:
Yea, LW oredered not to engage Yak 3 under 5000m and because the YAKs were NEVER above 5000 m, the LW planes could do NOTHING about it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Too bad that if you need to tell Yak 1 (free to engage) from Yak 3 (big NO) you should be UNDER the YAK to see if there is taht damn oil rad under nose.Really hard time for LW boys http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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Yeah I guess the Yak-3 was a nasty opponent for the heavy ground pounding Fw 190A/G/F variants. The Fw 190D-9 on the other hand was significantly faster than the Yak-3 at all altitudes, it had an equal climbing ability, and in a dive it could leave the Yak-3 standing.
The pilots of JG26 did very well against the Yak-3 with their D-9's. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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